Police Helicopters can be used to boost security in India like other countries

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  1. WolfPack86

    WolfPack86 Senior Member Senior Member

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    In Many Countries police use helicopters for Surveillance and to maintain security


    what India can do with hells
    1.During Mumbai attack Mumbai police lacked helicopter so heavy casualties resulted
    so if Mumbai police use helicopter we can prevent another attack or reduce casualties.
    2. Helicopters can also used in search and rescue Operation.
    3. Police Commandos can be air dropped from helicopter.
    4. Police helicopters can be used evacuate civilians during terrorist attack.

    Examples of some countries using helicopter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_aviation#List_of_Police_Aviation_Units

    Some example cases where police used hells to prevent crime

    http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-lapd-helicopter-20150308-story.html
    http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...am-of-lapd-swat-repelled-news-photo/564001787
    http://www.laweekly.com/news/lapd-h...sees-action-like-a-silent-movie-video-5117394

    http://www.ijreview.com/2015/02/248615-car-chase-los-angeles-movie-sure-entertaining/

    1. Link one is how LAPD preventing local crime..
    2. Link two shows LAPD swat team showing demonstration skills.
    3. Link three is helicopter moving around city.
    4 Link four is chase from helicopter view.
    5. Link five is car chase.



    Major vendors for hells.

    http://www.airbushelicopters.com/website/en/ref/home.html
    http://bellhelicopter.com/
    http://www.agustawestland.com/
    http://global.kawasaki.com/en/corp/profile/division/aero/index.html
    http://www.koreaaero.com/english/
    http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/en/
    http://www.sikorsky.com/Pages/Home.aspx

    Cost price technical details

    EuroCopter EC 135 Price is 3.9 million dollar.

    Specifications (EC135 P2+/T2+)

    General characteristics

    Crew: 1 pilot
    Capacity: up to seven passengers or two crew and two patients (Air Ambulance variant) or 1,455 kg (3,208 lb) payload
    Length: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
    Height: 3.51 m (11 ft 6 in)
    Empty weight: 1,455 kg (3,208 lb)
    Max takeoff weight: 2,910 kg (6,415 lb)
    Powerplant: 2 × Turbomeca Aquarius 2B2 turbo shaft engines, 472 kW (633 hp) each
    or 2 x Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B turboshaft engines rated at 463 kW (621 hp) (take-off power)
    Main rotor diameter: 10.2 m (33 ft 6 in)
    Main rotor area: 81.7 m2 (879 sq ft)
    Performance

    Cruising speed: 254 km/h (158 mph; 137 kn)
    Never exceed speed: 287 km/h (178 mph; 155 kn)
    Range: 635 km (395 mi; 343 nmi)
    Service ceiling: 6,096 m (20,000 ft)
    Rate of climb: 7.62 m/s (1,500 ft/min)
    http://www.aircraftcompare.com/helicopter-airplane/Eurocopter-EC135/228
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_EC135

    Bell 429 GlobalRanger
    Bell 429 price is 7.5 million dollar.
    Specifications (Bell 429)

    General characteristics

    Crew: 1 pilot
    Capacity: 7 passengers (six in passenger compartment; one beside pilot)[5]
    Length: 41 ft 8 in (12.7 m)
    Rotor diameter: 36 ft (10.97 m)
    Height: 13 ft 3 in (4.04 m)
    Empty weight: 4,245 lb (1,925 kg)
    Useful load: 2,755 lb (1,250 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 7,000 lb (3,175 kg)
    Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PW207D1 turboshaft, 625 shp (466 kW); 730 shp (545 kW) takeoff power[5] each
    Cabin volume: 204 ft³ (5.8 m³)
    Performance

    Never exceed speed: 155 kn[5] (178 mph, 287 km/h)
    Cruise speed: 150 knots (172.5 mph, 273 km/h)
    Range: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km)
    Service ceiling: 20,000 ft (6,096 m)

    http://www.helis.com/database/news/b429_nypd_1/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_429_GlobalRanger

    AgustaWestland AW119 Koala.
    Agustawestland Aw119 price is 1.85 million dollar

    Specifications (AW119Ke)
    General characteristics

    Crew: 1 pilot
    Capacity: 6-7 passengers
    Length: 13.01 m (42 ft 8 in)
    Rotor diameter: 10.83 m (35 ft 6 in)
    Height: 3.77 m (12 ft 4 in)
    Disc area: 92.1 m² (991 ft²)
    Empty weight: 1,430 kg (3,152 lb)
    Loaded weight: kg (lb)
    Max. takeoff weight: 2,720 kg (6283 lb)
    Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6B-37A turboshaft, 747 kW (1,002 hp)
    Performance

    Maximum speed: 267 km/h (166 mph, 152 knots)
    Ferry range: 991 km (618 miles, 535 nm)
    Service ceiling: 6,096 m (15,000 ft)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgustaWestland_AW119_Koala

    Note: All information gathered from internet.
     
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  3. Sylex21

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    Not saying it is a bad idea, but we must think these things carefully. For example it might make sense for the USA to spend a billion dollars to automate parts of a ship to reduce labor costs, but when labor costs are so cheap in India, such a strategy might be non optimal.

    Such tech might be ok in widespread use for a nation with an average income of $49,000/year, but for India it might be a wasteful extravagance.

    Not saying it is a bad idea outright, but only that it should be carefully considered when India variables are factored in and not just based on western studies or research.
     
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    We can have those choppers when we have roads like that to run away on




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    I am not sure but some private flying companies are doing that already. I think rich hospitals should tie up with some flying company to airlift rich patients and make money out of it. I think it would have a big market.
     
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    Our Electricity can be easily hampered , if our cops fly very low in Heli's
     
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    For chopper for police , u need 10 times revised tenders and 10 times price rise and cancellation and period of 20 yrs
     
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    Are we going to procure 1000 helicopters to each Indian state police force the answer is no .While Mumbai police going to procure two helicopter one for is law and order and another is traffic monitoring. Same is Delhi police going to procure two helicopters. So where is price rise or cancellation. I am talking about Police not an Army here . Need of helicopters arise only after 26/11 attack. Both political and police establishment realized that. If you think electricity will be hampered because cops are flying helicopter very low then tell electricity board to put electric wires in under ground. Many countries electric wires are under ground. We as Indian people must protect India at all cost. We must encourage our police force there may be corrupt officers but also there also good officers in police department officers like
    Hemant Karkare ,
    Vijay Salaskar,
    Ashok Kamte all of them made ultimate sacrifice to protect Mumbai people.


    .Look what is going on in France . No one safe from terrorist Russia or even USA.:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::india::india:
     
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    Are we going to procure 1000 of helicopters to each Indian State police force the answer is no. Mumbai police going to procure 2 helicopters while Delhi police also procuring 2 helicopters both the police departments are procuring 2 helicopters for law and order and traffic monitoring. I am not talking about Army i am talking about police force . So the maximum numbers of purchasing helicopters is not more than two . So there will be no price rise or cancellation. Since the procurement is only for 2 helicopters the order will be faster . If you think electricity will be hampered if cops are flying helicopters very low then request electricity board to put electric wires in under ground. In several countries electric wires are in under ground. Needs of helicopters realized only after 26/11 attack other wise there will no need of helicopters Country like India. Due to 26/11 attack Politicians and police officials realized need of helicopters. That is why I started this thread.:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:
     
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    Mumbai police getting two choppers.

    Mumbai's police department is getting two helicopters on lease so that it can beef up its anti-terror operations and rush or airdrop commandos in case of an attack.

    "We want our response time to be as early as three minutes,'' police commissioner Hasan Gafoor told TOI on Saturday. "The helicopters will be of added advantage to the NSG-like squad being set up in Maharashtra." Sources said the police will liaison with ONGC to get choppers.

    The state government has also ordered 500 AK-47s for the city police. "These are being delivered on a priority,'' an official said, adding that 12 new speedboats (in addition to the existing 10), a few INSAS rifles (used by the Indian army), self-loading rifles, and a huge stock of ammunition would also be procured.
     
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    Rs100 cr chopper to assist Mumbai cops during calamities
    The chopper's main function will be handling law enforcement operations and rescue operations during calamities.


    Mumbaikars might soon get some help in dealing with traffic problems if the Mumbaipolice’s plan of buying a helicopter worth over Rs100 crore materialises — a first for any police force in the country. Its main function will be handling law enforcement operations and rescue operations during calamities.

    The helicopter will also take care of traffic troubles, especially during festivals. The plan is still at the bureaucratic stage, sources said. “US-based Sikorsky is one of the companies with whom the state home ministry officials are in touch with for the deal.”
    If the deal goes through, the police administration will need to send a list of all the features they want configured in the helicopter. According to experts, some of the features include high resolution cameras for search and rescue operations, stretchers and other urgent equipment for medical emergencies, night vision facility and filters for engines to drive through dense smoke.

    “The helicopter will also come with an inbuilt facility of seeing the entire operation on a television screen. Its shelf life will be more than 15 years,” an expert said.

    So far, the police have been taking the state government’s helicopter on rent as and when the need arises. The state has been using it for VIP visits and has also been giving it to theMaharashtra police for anti-naxal operations in Gadchiroli.

    The need for the helicopter was first felt during the 2005 deluge in city, when the water-logging in low lying areas led to mass casualties. The state machinery had tried to evacuate citizens with the help of buses and boats. “Such a helicopter during a catastrophe of that magnitude would have helped greatly and saved many lives too,” said a source.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repo...-assist-mumbai-cops-during-calamities-1676867
     
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    Please ignore this space .............
     
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    Just curious, do Chinese police use choppers regularly? I am coming from an angle that Chinese is bigger economy than ours, if police choppers is indeed a good idea, Chinese would have adopted it by now.

    Brazil uses police choppers for day to day activities, I think.

    Point to be noted is that choppers were extensively being used in agriculture and passenger travel in America before police started adopting choppers extensively. If I am not wrong police choppers got a boost in 1994 when US give distributed many of the defence air assets among the government agencies especially law enforcement agencies.
     
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    Forget Police Helicopters, bring in Police Reforms. These "Police Helicopters" will be end up being used for ferrying and for joy ride by senior police officers' families.
     
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    Its a good idea and good move. But one question does arise here, who would bear the cost? Of course buying the bird is the easiest part, but maintaining it and keep it flying is the real game. Who is going to bear the fuel cost in long run. We know how our central and state govt works in tandem. So in spite of a good move, it does have a lot to answer and take into consideration.
     

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