PLA may upgrade radar of its Su-30 MKK to match Su-30 MKI of India

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  1. Sea Eagle

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    To compete with India's Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters, the People's Liberation Army Air Force may consider replacing the RLPK-27VE integrated radar targeting system of its Sukhoi Su-30MKK fighters with more advanced passive electronically scanned array radar, according to the Moscow-based Military Parade magazine.

    To compete with India's Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters, the People's Liberation Army Air Force may consider replacing the RLPK-27VE integrated radar targeting system of its Sukhoi Su-30MKK fighters with more advanced passive electronically scanned array radar, according to the Moscow-based Military Parade magazine.

    Even though China has shown itself capable of building its own version of Russian fighters such as the J-11B and the J-15 through reverse engineering, many Western experts still question whether the quality of these Chinese fighters is really equal to the Russian originals. This is the reason why China still needs to purchase the Su-35S, Russia's 4.5-generation, despite the fact that it is already capable of designing a fifth-generation stealth fighter.

    China is currently still unable to design and produce engine and radar systems as advanced as Russia's. India, one of China's major rivals, has purchased a Su-30MKI with a passive electronically scanned array and gained a license from Russia to produce Saturn AL-31FP engines domestically. With the ability to track targets 200 kilometers away, the Indian Air Force's Su-30MKI could easily overcome Chinese fighters in a potential conflict.

    With only the RLPK-27VE integrated radar targeting system, China's Su-30MKK cannot even fire the Russian-built KS-172 air-to-air missile, according to Kanwa Defense Review published by Andrei Chang also known as Pinkov, a military from Canada. This is the reason why China is considering installing passive electronically scanned array radar to upgrade its fighters. China has also developed its J-15 carrier-based fighters with AL-31FP engines, although the price of the fighter has gradually increased.

    http://www.defencenews.in/defence-news-internal.aspx?id=IWcwnR9zDKo
     
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  3. Eastman

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    hmm another reason to upgrade to Super Sukhois.
     
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    really chinese are scared of su30mki but now we are upgrading them to super sukhoi +rafale so this upgrade of mkk is a not to worry addition for india
     
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    our sukhois are much better than theirs in every aspect like avionics ,weapons , radar etc... the sukhois which china got are basic ones that too degraded.
    ours is considered the best of all flanker series except the new su-35. we will upgrade it to be on par or even better than su-35 in some aspects and we will be getting rafales by then.the combination of su-30MKI and rafale will be deadly for any opponent.
     
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    yes, we got israeli and french components in our sukhois which makes it even better.......i wonder whether the chinese have come up with even better components ?
     
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    The same with chinese vehicles. Looks exactly like the originals but drives like sh1t.
     
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    So a new heavy radar with Canrads added to the airframe to support the new radar ?? @shiphone
     
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    Lets wait for some specs the upgrade.. chinese might suprise us
     
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    Whats to stop them from getting the Zhuk AE?
     
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    After making such a lovely comparison, there is only one error in this article, which make the whole discussion pointless:

    Su-30MKK is not playing as a major fighter in China. Instead, Chinese bought it to replace Q-5 for GROUND ATTACK.
     
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    Before getting to excited about tracking a target 200 km away you also need a missile that can destroy a target at that range or all you'll get is just having a nice view. With the Himalaya standing where it is there are not many places from where you have a good view at such a target without a S-300 missile coming in fast at any aircraft flying high.


    Look at this too:
    In May 2012, a large exercise took place in Slovakia under the code name MACE XIII. The SA-300PMU was challenged by modern NATO ECM/ESM sets under complex SEAD conditions. Several NATO countries took part in this exercise. French Mirage and Rafale, Danish F-16, Norway with DA-20, NATO E-3 AWACS, Turkish F-4, German Learjet with an ECM/ESM set and approximately four ground jammers had partial success. NATO concluded that an up to date S-300PMU with a professionally trained crew is capable of effective operations in a complex ECM/ESM environment, with a high level of success.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)

    If several NATO countries cannot jam a single Slovak S-300 how about India trying to jam 50 or more Chinese S-300?
     
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    like it or not the biggest threat to our fighters is chinese s-300 SAM's unfortunately we don't have such long range SAMs which is a weakness in our air defence systems
     
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    Kaalapani Tihar Jail Banned

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    We do have some s-300s
     
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    @DBF1954 air launched brahmos will have range of 290
     
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    we don't have them we only leased them but never deployed them and according to bharat rakshak some of the veterans have conformed that we don't have operational S-300 systems

    in 2005 Feb 5::Russia has offered India its S-300V SAM anti-missile system with a capability of destroying and intercepting aero-ballistic and tactical ballistic missiles in a heavy jamming environment. It comes at a time when India is negotiating with the US for the supply of the upgraded patriot anti-missile and the Israeli Arrow system.

    Industry sources said that this showed that New Delhi was keeping options open on multi-dimensional missile attack protection programme.

    so we don't have the system yet and also there is a debate whether to buy s300 or arrow god know what happened to the contract

    some valuable discussion and info

    https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=271

    Unconfirmed report and a big debate

    India procured six s-300 anti missile system from russia in 1995 they are supposed to be located in six different cities

    If we have they are used only to cover delhi and only 6 batteries according to the post by @DivineHeretic

    link

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...delhi-get-missile-defence-ring-next-year.html

    so that still leaves us vulnerable because 6 batteries in not enough sitting around capital city alone
     
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  17. LETHALFORCE

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    I have a friend who has seen the s-300 in Delhi. I highly doubt the capital does not
    Have an air defense system. Probably a couple.of awacs there too?
     
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    the main point is we need S400 in numbers it has a max range of 400km so even if we deploy them 200kms inside indian territory on indian side of the border in rajasthan, gujarat and punjab we can still cover 200km of enemy air space at least the radars will give us early warning just like awacs this can be protected by spider system anyway this is all theory since our idiots in delhi don't have brains
     
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    army is deploying akash at mumbai and delhi now and later abm will be deployed
     
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    We're already late for the S400. Russia has approved sales to China who will probably get it only after Russia has got its own orders completed. So even if we want some, we will get it only after China's orders are fulfilled.

    http://thediplomat.com/2014/04/putin-approves-sale-of-s-400-to-china/
     
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