PLA lieutenant General"Without political reforms China shall perish"

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    PLA lieutenant General"Without political reforms China shall perish"

    A translated article

    "Apple Daily"

    LIU Ya-zhou, political commissar of the PLA National Defense University, Lieutenant General, has an exclusive interview, criticising the existing political system, strongly advocate the American democratic system, denounced China's lack of tolerance of facing the truth, directly expressed that a system which does not allow civil liberties to be expressed, can not be representative to the people on the leadership positions would be "bound to perish"; he even predicted that China in 10 years, will undergo democratic transformation, saying that it was inevitable, because of the Chinese Communist Party, "there can be no retreat."

    LIU Ya-zhou's words of astonishment was published in the latest issue of "Phoenix Weekly," but the publication also declare that the contents under the exclusive interview, has not yet been approved by Liu himself. This interview entitled "Western theory", the first part mainly discusses the complexity of western China's international environment, suggest that the positive response should go west. But in the latter part of the interview, he expressed his views on current politics, alarming a rhetoric point of view.

    More money does not mean the "soft power" would upgrade

    He began criticising the CPC popular "economic power" and "dollar diplomacy" thinking, that "more money does not means the soft power would upgrade"; He used Chinese bribery in African investments as example, with money to clear the way, that not only increases African officials appetite, but also causes the local population to be extremely offensive towards China. The top-down in China today are full of "money makes things, money can settle everything," enthusiasm. He said: "Money alone can not long term maintian China's national interests abroad, or even to maintain peace and stability within."

    LIU Ya-zhou states that the fate of a nation, not is only decided by military and economic power, but on forms of civilization, "The decision we (Chinese Communist Party) need is political reform." He used the example of the former Soviet Union as a methaphor, the fall of the Soviet Union is not because of its exconomic power, military power but its system, "which does not allow civil liberties to be expressed, cannot be representative to the people on the leadership positions, is bound to perish. "



    People's Liberation Army generals LIU Ya-zhou then expressed more alaming words.

    He predicted 10 years of political transition

    He also pointed out the Soviet Union also stressed the purpose of stability with the view of "stability above all, money, settle all, the results intensified the contradictions, all the reverse." He also predicted that China's in 10 years, would inevitably transform itself from an authoritarian to a democracy. China will undergo a great change in the situation. Political reform is a mission entrusted by history. We (the CPC) is impossible to retreat. "

    "The United States secret of success is not on Wall Street, nor the Silicon Valley, but in the enduring rule of law and the system behind the law." LIU Ya-zhou expressed that only the system can be trusted. LIU Ya-zhou said, China does not lack the truth, but lack tolerance of expressing the truth, "if there is no democracy, there is no sustained growth. Spread of democratic ideas are not constrained by national borders, are not subject to historical limitations."

    LIU Ya-zhou, 57, as one of the Chinese military's senior officer, and a member of the Central Discipline Inspection Commission, which openly expressed such ideas has caused concern by the public. The contents posted on the internet was uploaded crazily yesterday. "Phoenix Magazine" is owned by the Hong Kong Phoenix TV, but publicly issued in Mainland China.

    Military writer's point of view shocked the Chinese Communist government

    LIU Ya-zhou came from a military family background, his father Liu Jiande served as deputy political commissar of the Lanzhou Military Region Logistics Department. After he graduated from high school, his father arranged him to join the army, was appointed platoon leader in the army; the 20-year-old has been recommended for admission into the Department of Foreign Languages, Wuhan University. In college, he demonstrated literary talent not only showing off his skills as a writer, he fell in love with his classmate, Li Xiaolin, the daughter of former President Li Xiannian ,the two became husband and wife.


    LIU Ya-zhou (second from right) visited North Korea in 2006, the picture taken with top military leaders.



    LIU Ya-zhou (right) in 2007 to visit a school in Guang'an which he donated 50,000 yuan.

    U.S. object of attention

    After graduation, Liu entered the PLA Air Force Special Branch office. In June 1989, he was involved in the Tiananmen incident which placed him under investigation, but eventually his name was cleared. In April 1992, he paid a low-key visit to Taiwan as a writer, which created a precedent for CPC members to visit Taiwan military officers, after his military status came to light by the media, caused a great sensation. Over the same period, he also participated in the CPC's project to work on the South Korean secret diplomacy earned him meritorious service.

    In recent years, as the status of a army general, Liu frequency commented on politics and military issues, strive to push the CPC on the implementation of democratic political reforms, in order to achieve the elite power; his views not only shocked the Chinese Communist politicians, news that the United States intelligence agencies and the military are also highly focused on him. Before the Central Party School professor Du Guang, also praised his reputation of one of the top independent thinking generals of the Chinese Communist Party.

    LIU Ya-zhou's wife, Li Xiaolin is now working for the Chinese People's Association for Friendship with Foreign Countries. The couple have a 20-year-old son. Liu once attended the activities of the dissidents founded Independent Chinese PEN. His brother Ya-Wei Liu is a U.S. citizen, teaching in a university in the United States, and support China's pro-democracy movement by working for the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy, invloved in the study of elections in China, he founded the "China Elections and Governance Network" in Beijing.

    LIU Ya-zhou files

    Age: 57
    Native: Anhui Suxian
    Rank: Lieutenant General
    Wife: Li Xiaolin (daughter of former President Li Xiannian)
    Education: Department of Foreign Languages, Wuhan University graduate in English
    Experience:
    Former Secretary of the Political Department of the PLA Air Force, director of the Political Department of Beijing Military Region, political commissar of the Chengdu Military Region, People's Liberation Army Air Force deputy political commissar, political commissar of the National Defense University
    Works:
    Novel, "Sheng", medium-length military documentary novel "Devil director of war", and the remarks set "Golden Gate battle," and "faith and morality," "re Jiashen Festival", "big policy", etc.
    Source: "Apple" Reference Room
    LIU Ya-zhou quotes

    • "China does not lack the truth but the tolerance of turth on our soils"

    • "United States secret of success is not on Wall Street, nor the Silicon Valley, but in the enduring rule of law and the system behind the law"

    • "Money alone can not long term maintian China's national interests abroad, or even to maintain peace and stability within."

    • "destiny of the nation is not only decided by its military and economic power, but depended on the form of civilization itself. Survival of the nation means that we must carry out political reform."

    • "within ten years, transformation from an authoritarian to a democracy is inevitable. China will undego great changes. Political reform is the mission entrusted by history. We can not retreat."

    • "If a system can not allow citizens to breathe freely and to maximize the release of citizen creativity, is not the most representative system, and most representatives of the people are put on leadership posts, it will inevitably perish."

    Source: "Phoenix Magazine"
    http://hnews.org.ru/applerealtime/in...rt_id=14321182

    http://neveryetmelted.com/categories/liu-yazhou/
    About Liu Yazhou (English)



    The man has a point, but also some flaws. What political reforms? What openness when you're confronted with several ethnic issues (Tibet being one of them.)
     
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    WOW.....this is one of the most interesting postings about China that i have seen on DFI for a very long time. The fact that it comes from an active-service Chinese general is even more impressive.

    This man's wisdom is truly deep. He comment about the US success is spot on. I would have never imagined that a PLA general would ever be brave enough to say such things.
    The translation to English may be weak but you get his point.
     
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    How long until this guy "disappears"?
     
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    Apple daily is Hong Kong news, He probably write it from hongkong, it would have been dificult from Main Land, besides He has family connections from high level(who participated in the revolution), loves western liberal democratic system, is an ultra jingoist. Wife: Li Xiaolin (daughter of former President Li Xiannian), no one can touch him..
     
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    In a way he is right, hence had to flee. When you speak free in China you get the dungeons.
     
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    Lieutenant General Lambasts China’s Political System

    News Analysis



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    A prominent Chinese military commander has lambasted the Chinese political system in a recent interview and predicted a political transformation toward democracy within the next ten years.
    Lieutenant General Liu Yazhou is the Political Commissar of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) University for National Defense. He is also the son-in-law of former Chinese President, Li Xiannian. His public statements make him the first senior active-duty military officer to publicly criticize the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP’s) policies without backlash from the regime.

    In a recent interview with Hong Kong’s Phoenix Weekly, Liu said, “A system that does not allow its citizens to breathe freely, nor to maximally unleash their creativity, nor puts those who can best represent the people in leadership positions, is doomed.”He further pointed out that the former Soviet Union also used to stress [social] stability above all else and regarded it as the ultimate goal.“Stressing stability as a principle of overriding importance, and moneymaking as the only way to settle everything, will only lead to contradictions being aggravated, and everything will come against you.”Liu also predicted that a political transformation from authoritarianism to democracy will inevitably take place within ten years.Expressing reprehension for the “money diplomacy” and “economic powerhouse” concepts embraced by the CCP, Liu said “having more money does not mean having more soft power.”


    He also criticized the money worship that defines contemporary mainstream Chinese society, arguing that it has damaged China’s international image.
    Liu’s statements were published in the latest Phoenix Weekly issue, in an article entitled “On the West.” An editorial statement said that the content was compiled from the interview with Liu and published without Liu’s final review or approval.


    The Liu Yazhou Phenomenon

    Liu’s out-of-line remarks have spread quickly across the Internet and have also drawn attention from outside China. Some have conjectured that his comments are a reflection of a factional struggle within the CCP prior to its 18th party congress in late 2012.The 57 year-old military commander is also a member of the Central Commission for Disciplinary Inspection, a secretive, powerful internal CCP body that investigates corruption and violations of inter-Party norms. He is the first senior active-duty military officer since 1989 to make outspoken public remarks in support of Chinese political reform and western political systems without being punished. His remarks have not only shaken political circles in China, but have also drawn the attention of U.S. intelligence agencies and the U.S. military.Liu Yazhou was born into a military family. His father, Liu Jiande, was Deputy Political Commissar of the Logistics Department in the Lanzhou Military Region, Gansu Province. Liu’s father arranged for him to join the army after Liu graduated from middle school, and at the age 20 he was admitted—without exams—to the Department of Foreign Languages at Wuhan University. In college Liu showed literary talent and became a writer. It only took him 10 years from being a writer to becoming a general.In his writings, Liu has touched on a variety of issues, from military strategy and diplomacy, to peasants and Taiwan. He has received considerable acknowledgment in the army for his comments and views.In his book, China’s Grand Strategy for the Next Twenty Years, Liu discusses the Taiwan issue and proposes the “One Country, Two Systems” concept. He believes Taiwan should be integrated into China instead of being conquered, and that the key to solving the Taiwan problem is to win the Taiwanese people’s hearts.According to Hong Kong media, it was also through Liu’s pulling strings that Beijing extended invitations to two prominent Taiwanese political figures—Lien Chan, former Chairman of Taiwan’s Kuomintang and James Soong, Chairman of Taiwan’s ‘People First’ party—to visit China in 2005.In recent years, Liu has frequently commented on government administration and military issues, striving to appeal to the CCP to carry out political reforms toward democracy. He has thus become an outspoken figure among military officials of similar rank and gathered a force of young supporters in the military—one of the reasons the CCP top leadership has not struck out at him.


    Chinese Leader Favors Liu

    In December 2009, CCP General Secretary Hu Jintao promoted Liu from Deputy Political Commissar of the Air Force to the Political Commissar of PLA University for National Defense. The move indicates that Hu has adopted the strategy of attempting to win Liu’s heart, which has also given Liu greater freedom to air his views.According to some analysts, as a figure within China’s present political system, Liu’s approach will ultimately be based on exploring how the CCP can maintain its rule, rather than introducing any fundamental break with the system. As social problems intensify, in particular, Liu’s bold statements may likely become a soft tactic for the CCP to maintain stability, as it tests the waters and allows emotional venting with political consent. When the time comes for the CCP to fight desperately for its survival, however, as a member of the army Liu may only do as he is told.


    Lieutenant General Lambasts China’s Political System | Regime | China | Epoch Times
     
  8. Ray

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    It is from Epoch Times.

    Wait till the Chinese here react to it! :shocked:

    What the Lt Gen of China has said rings some truth.

    But then, will the Chinese accept that he is right?

    Maybe or Maybe not!
     
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    This is yrs old, General Liu's comment had been discussed in forums and blogs for 1 millions times, Chinese are fully awared about all those points, again, China is a lot complicated than just black and white, there is no silver bullet, and China is not alone, think about India, then you should know what I mean
     
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    And I remembered he was promoted after his comment, hopfully in Indian standard, that does not equal to "dispear or flee"
     
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    True it is not a question of a silver bullet.

    Damning a popular Govt of China and shaming the Chinese people would have surely earned him a genuine bullet.

    But then, maybe he is influential.

    Wei Wei and Liu were jailed for lesser reasons!
     
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    Remember Mao's wife in the Gang of Four?

    Did anything happen to her?

    The punishment which should have been death was handled leniently all because of her!
     
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    Anything happened to her supported by Chinese people.

    Nothing happened to General Liu, do you have anything suggesting otherwise?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Its Really embarrassing for Chinese members, Whenever things turn ugly, why try to derail the thread by talking Indian affairs in Chinese internal affairs..

    If have points that talk straight..
     
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    Apologized, if that is the case.
    I meant to use a proper way to show my meaning of "complicated", I think Indian understand India the best, and I do believe things in India is as complicated as that in China. So logically, I use India as example hopfully can help Indian members to understand the point, it looks like Indian has a lot patience, I just want to say, average Chinese is very patience to their gov too.
     
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    Wei wei own tax to the country, so he was jailed, nothing to do anything else, he did try to link his case to the ideology discussion but he failed, he is still jailed and liable to pay tax and penalty.

    Liu commited treason, so different case. And if you understand what treason means then you should know why he is depicted as a hero in the USA and European countries. And given the hostility I feel in this forum towards China, I also can understand why you use him as an example..
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Have a look at the forum as you have been so long here..

    Its full of Criticism ..
     
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    it's exactly the same in on Chinese forums and blogs, that is exactly the reason I use India as comparison to show the complicity.
    However that does not mean Chinese and Indian want to overthrow their GOV or revolt, I hope you can understand
     
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    The members consisted of Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong's last wife as the leading figure of the group, and her close associates Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen.

    The Gang of Four effectively controlled the power organs of the Communist Party of China through the latter stages of the Cultural Revolution, although it remains unclear which major decisions were made through Mao Zedong and carried out by the Gang, and which were the result of the Gang of Four's own planning.

    The Gang of Four, together with disgraced Communist general Lin Biao, were labeled the two major "counter-revolutionary forces" of the Cultural Revolution and officially blamed by the Chinese government for the worst excesses of the societal chaos that ensued during the ten years of turmoil. Their downfall in a coup d'état on October 6, 1976, a mere month after Mao's death, brought about major celebrations on the streets of Beijing and marked the end of a turbulent political era in China.

    Now, who were you talking about?
     
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    Who were you talking about?
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Read the posts and not be a Jack in the box and then get confused.

    This is what you said

     

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