PLA 20 Years Behind U.S. Military

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    PLA 20 Years Behind U.S. Military: Chinese DM - Defense News

    SINGAPORE - There is a 20-year gap between China and the U.S. military in equipment, weapons and systems, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie told the 10th Shangri-La Dialogue on June 5 in Singapore.
    Chinese Defence Minister Liang Guanglie speaks on international security cooperation during the annual Asia-Pacific forum in Singapore on June 5. (Roslan Rahman / AFP)

    "I would call the gap big," he said. Liang acknowledged that China's military modernization has improved, but the "main battle equipment of our services ... is mainly second-generation weapons." China does not have a large arsenal of third-generation weapons, systems or platforms. "For example, the army is still being motorized, not mechanized," he said.

    Liang conceded that China's military modernization has drawn the attention and concern of the international community and there have been questions over China's capability, but China does not "seek hegemony" and has a right to defend its "core interests," which include protecting its sovereignty.

    After years of ignoring the Shangri-La Dialogue, China sent an unprecedented senior-level delegation. The annual conference is sponsored by the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS), officially known as the IISS Asia Security Summit, and includes the attendance of defense ministers from across the globe, including U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

    Liang said military-to-military relations with the U.S. were improving. The U.S. just concluded meetings in May with senior Chinese defense officials in Washington for the Security and Economic Dialogue, and the Pentagon hosted a separate visit by Gen. Chen Bingde, chief of the General Staff, People's Liberation Army (PLA).

    Gates visited China in January for high-level talks designed to get military-to-military exchanges back online after they were severed to protest U.S. arms sales to Taiwan in 2010.

    There was some discussion at the summit over an incident May 26 in the South China Sea involving three Chinese vessels harassing a Vietnamese oil survey ship. Though both China and Vietnam downplayed tensions at the Shangri-La, there were obvious signs of Chinese anxiety.

    A Chinese PLA officer showed up at a press conference held by Lt. Gen. Nguyen Chi Vinh, Vietnam's deputy minister of defense, and took notes. When a journalist asked if she was "spying on the Vietnamese" she refused to answer.

    One of the prominent features of this dialogue was China's "big footprint," said Singapore-based Tim Huxley, executive director, IISS-Asia. Not only was this the first Shangri-La to include a Chinese defense minister, it was also the first time there were five Chinese speakers in three of the five closed-door special sessions, he said.

    Other high-level Chinese delegates included Rear Adm. Guan Youfei, deputy chief, Foreign Affairs Office, Ministry of National Defense; Senior Col. Ou Yangwei, director, Center for Defense Mobilization Studies, National Defense University; Major Gen. Song Dan, deputy director general, General Office, Central Military Commission; Lt. Gen. Wei Fenghe, deputy chief of general staff, PLA; and Xiao Jianguo, director, Department of Ocean Affairs, Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
     
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    the bad news is, they are catching up by any means :D :D
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

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    PLA has a policy of catching up with large numbers and low quality. But in many things they are more than 20 years behind. USA successfully inducted SLBM's in 1950's China is still trying.
     
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    China is closing in fast...
     
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    ohh no.... Pak land will die of heart attack after hearing this news.:becky::becky::becky::becky:
     
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    when they can make a 3rd generation plane engine they will have caught up and only be 20 years behind. But in naval/submarine side they are catching up.
     
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    China is doing what is best for their national interest.....trying to catch up with the best there is in the world.

    India should learn from china and try to catch up or match up with China, we should not try to match pakistan!

    thats the difference between China and India.

    China is trying to catch up with the best, india is wasting its energy on pakistan. (for pakistan we should start "supporting" balochis and pashtoons for their independence) and concentrate on China.
     
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    20 years?

    i think 35 is more correct.
     
  10. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    30-35 years is correct... PLA is a late 70s early 80s Soviet clone
     
  11. Tianshan

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    big difference from Soviet.

    China economy is four times bigger than Russia, and only 1-2% defence spending.

    we concentrate on economy first. no excessive military spending.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    Actually, Soviet GDP was worth almost exactly what PRC economy is worth today in constant prices. Difference is USSR spent 25-30% of it on defence which would dwarf any defence spending today, especially China. PLA doesn't come to close to comparing to Red Army power even being 30 years ago.
     
  13. aramsogo

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    This doesn't even make intuitive sense. The GDP of all the former soviet union doesn't even equal China and the FSU is far wealthier today due to high commodity prices and an actual consumer sector.

    And if you are using some artificial soviet ruble fx rate, the soviets actually conducted trade in dollars (hence Eurodollar) or barter.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    It makes perfect sense, the FSU has not come close to recovering its GDP from Soviet times.

    [​IMG]

    The level of USSR collapse and the China bubble popping is actually uncanny when you look at it.
     
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    As anticipated, you are using some inflated BS soviet exchange rate for dollar to rubles in the graph on the left that never existed.

    The official North Korean won exchange rate is 4 to 10x the real black market rate. Also if military spending created wealth in the SU, then NK would be no. 1 today.

    Russia today is far wealthier in real terms. Capitalist vs. communist labor productivity alone is enough of a wealth effect.

     
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  17. kickok1975

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    What about India, how many years?
     
  18. asianobserve

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    Don't understimate the giant. It's already half awake.
     
  19. satish007

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    how many years just excute for crying military buget
     
  20. Armand2REP

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    India's equipment is more qualitative than China, say early nineties. Her production range on the other hand are far behind China.
     
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    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    High military spending made the Soviet citizens so poor because 25-30% of their national wealth was taken from their pockets. It is no different in DPRK when they take their wealth into the military except they are much poorer all around. The N. Korean won was redenominated two years ago by dropping two zeros to fight inflation. Of course Kim didn't let people turn in all there money which destroyed what little wealth they had. Inflation is what devalues a currency the most and DPRK has that in spades.
     

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