Philippines to stand ground vs bullying of China

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So would Filipino call those statements / treaties / constitutions /acts / maps scraps of wastepaper after denying China's "historical presence" / documents / maps?

The Philippine territory is set by a series of international treaties, no of which involves Huangyan Island. The Treaty of Paris(1898), The Treaty of Washington(1900) and the Treaty with Great Britain (1930) state clearly that west limit of the Philippines territory is 118th degree meridian of longitude east of Greenwich, while the Huangyan Island is obviously outside this limits(15º08'-15º14'N, 117º 44'-117º48'E). The 1935 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, the 1946 Treaty of General Relations between the United States of America and the Republic of the Philippines, the 1952 U.S.-Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty, the 1961 Repbulic Act No.3046 and the 1968 Republic Act. No. 5446 have reaffirmed the legal effects of the above-mentioned three treaties and once again expressively defined the Philippine territorial limits, the baseline points and baseline of the territorial waters, which had not included the Huangyan Island. The Philippine maps published in 1981 and 1984, just to name a few, also indicated that Huangyan Island is outside the Philippine territorial limits. The above facts fully prove that Huangyan Island is outside the scope of Philippine territory.
Hey opportunists, too late for u to change mind :rofl: to raise a "dispute" ticket.
 

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Only disputed territory should be brought to UN, like Kashmir.

Huangyan Island, on the other hand, is Chinese territory, why would we go to UN?

Next time Phillipine claims Hainan Island, does that mean we have to go UN again?
you obviously dont know what you are claiming. its not even an island, just pile of rocks that appears on low tide. haha
 

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So would Filipino call those statements / treaties / constitutions /acts / maps scraps of wastepaper after denying China's "historical presence" / documents / maps?



Hey opportunists, too late for u to change mind :rofl: to raise a "dispute" ticket.


Correct. Those treaties including the treaty of Paris does not include the scarborough shoal. But niether does any of these treaty indicate that the shoal is part of Chinese teritorry. I have already said it is a body of water. Based on the "baselines law" defined by the philippine constitution, the baselines to which the philippine territories are drawn do not include the shoal. But you have to understand from that baseline is where the contigous territotial marks are measured. The shoal falls 130NM from that baseline making it part of the philippines' 200NM EEZ. SO to sum it all up:

point1: no treaties award the shoal directly to either Philippines or China. That makes it even

point2: the baselines of the philippines as stated in its constitution or by the Treaty of Paris lets the shoal fall within the county's 200NM EEZ. Chinas nearest coat coast, Hainan, is more than 500NM away

point 3: In terms of effective occupation, only the philippines has exercised a true occupation of the area not only limited to fishing


Please somebody explain the baselines and EEZ to this guy
 

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China will demand that they own the waves if they can help it!
 

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After the ship in the left hangar is finished,work will start on 10 China Marine Surveillance(CMS) vessels:



The Filipinos had better prepare themselves for future face-offs,which will be many and often。 :rofl:
 
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China needs to prove they belong in the p5. So far they look
Like a joke bullied by smaller countries.
 

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A decommissioned PLAN vessel being converted into China Fishery Administration Vessel 312 at HPS::rofl:





 

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China will build upwards of 100 CMS and CFA ships before 2015.

The Filipinos have a long and hard time in front of themselves。:rofl:
 

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you obviously dont know what you are claiming. its not even an island, just pile of rocks that appears on low tide. haha
Haha, we call it island, it is our territory, we decide what it is.
 

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Come and get it if you can!
 

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Let us put it the other way around. The Scarborough shoal is Philippine territory. It is like the Philippines' finger. Are you going to give your finger to anyone who likes to take it unless you are willing to give your whole self and be called a slave!
how about its disputed area, both china/philippine claim it, ithink vietnam claim it too or at least they have overlap claim with philippine
 

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Correct. Those treaties including the treaty of Paris does not include the scarborough shoal. But niether does any of these treaty indicate that the shoal is part of Chinese teritorry. I have already said it is a body of water. Based on the "baselines law" defined by the philippine constitution, the baselines to which the philippine territories are drawn do not include the shoal. But you have to understand from that baseline is where the contigous territotial marks are measured. The shoal falls 130NM from that baseline making it part of the philippines' 200NM EEZ. SO to sum it all up:

point1: no treaties award the shoal directly to either Philippines or China. That makes it even

point2: the baselines of the philippines as stated in its constitution or by the Treaty of Paris lets the shoal fall within the county's 200NM EEZ. Chinas nearest coat coast, Hainan, is more than 500NM away

point 3: In terms of effective occupation, only the philippines has exercised a true occupation of the area not only limited to fishing


Please somebody explain the baselines and EEZ to this guy
Point one, it is Chinese territory, it doesn't need to be awarded by some treaties sighed by Philippines and Americans or whoever they are. Huangyan Island belonged to China before those treaties were signed. If the treaties which are the foundation of your country don't even include Huangyan Island, how come it belongs to Philippines suddenly.

Point two, since Huangyan Island belongs to China, the so-called 200NM EEZ doesn't apply here.

Three, Philippines exercised no occupation of Huangyan Island, you didn't even claimed it until 1997. Philippines fishmen were able to fish there because China had no intention to stop them before, now China is reconsidering that decision, and I am sure that Philippines fishmen will never be allowed to step in Chinese waters after this standoff is over.

Amoy is right, Philippines is simply an opportunist, who is speculating on the confrontation between China and America.
 

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Good, but stay above water lest you take in a lot of water.

I am not too sure what the US thinks about it.

If a Republican President comes, then the blood pressure will surely shoot up!

Philippines has a Treaty with the US.
 

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Good, but stay above water lest you take in a lot of water.

I am not too sure what the US thinks about it.

If a Republican President comes, then the blood pressure will surely shoot up!

Philippines has a Treaty with the US.
Yes, they have a treaty with US. Please tell me that India is also going to sign a treaty with them, which surely adds to the dramatic effect.
 

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Yes, they have a treaty with US. Please tell me that India is also going to sign a treaty with them, which surely adds to the dramatic effect.
Are you afflicted with spastic colon?

What has India got to do with this?

Are you meaning dynamic thrust because drama is what China does.
 

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One BrahMos is too costly to sink this sort of rust buckets
 

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Point one, it is Chinese territory, it doesn't need to be awarded by some treaties sighed by Philippines and Americans or whoever they are. Huangyan Island belonged to China before those treaties were signed. If the treaties which are the foundation of your country don't even include Huangyan Island, how come it belongs to Philippines suddenly.

Point two, since Huangyan Island belongs to China, the so-called 200NM EEZ doesn't apply here.

Three, Philippines exercised no occupation of Huangyan Island, you didn't even claimed it until 1997. Philippines fishmen were able to fish there because China had no intention to stop them before, now China is reconsidering that decision, and I am sure that Philippines fishmen will never be allowed to step in Chinese waters after this standoff is over.

Amoy is right, Philippines is simply an opportunist, who is speculating on the confrontation between China and America.
uh its not chinese territory, its disputed area which philippine, china, vietnam all use as fishing ground for long long time. its best to work out some deal to share the resource and fishing in that area. war over fish and few cans of oil not really worth it.

does it matter when they claim it? if philippine or vietnam claim earlier than china, is that mean it should be part of vietnam/philippine.
 

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uh its not chinese territory, its disputed area which philippine, china, vietnam all use as fishing ground for long long time. its best to work out some deal to share the resource and fishing in that area. war over fish and few cans of oil not really worth it.

does it matter when they claim it? if philippine or vietnam claim earlier than china, is that mean it should be part of vietnam/philippine.
Well said

Let the Arbitration body, whichever is mutually acceptable, decide on merits.
 

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