Philippines says China carrier in South China Sea raises tension

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  1. Ash

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    Nov 27 () - MANILA (Reuters) - The Philippines said on Wednesday the imminent arrival of China's sole aircraft carrier in the disputed South China Sea for the first time for a training mission would raise tension.

    The carrier Liaoning left port from the northern city of Qingdao accompanied by two destroyers and two frigates on Tuesday. While in the South China Sea, it will carry out tests and drills, according to China's military.

    China says the mission is routine.

    China claims almost the entire oil- and gas-rich South China Sea, rejecting the rival claims to parts of it from Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines and Vietnam.

    Philippine Foreign Affairs Department spokesman Raul Hernandez said the carrier's arrival was a worrying development that contravened agreements with China on managing tension in the South China Sea.

    "Its deployment raises tension and violates the Declaration of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea," he said.

    "Its deployment must not be violative of international law, including the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea," Hernandez added.

    China and the Philippines have accused each other of violating the code of conduct, a non-binding confidence-building agreement on maritime conduct signed by China and ASEAN in 2002.

    The dispute over the sea is one of the region's biggest flashpoints and underlines the significance of China's military build-up and the U.S. strategic "pivot" back to Asia.

    The Philippines, a U.S. ally, has angered China by launching an arbitration case with the United Nations to challenge the legal validity of China's claim.

    Though considered decades behind U.S. technology, the Liaoning represents the Chinese navy's blue-water ambitions and has been the focus of a campaign to stir patriotism.

    China has separate disputes with Japan and South Korea over different sets of small islands.

    Philippines says China carrier in South China Sea raises tension
     
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    That is an inadequate summary. It would be more accurate to say that China covets territories that have belonged to other countries during most recent history and uses intimidation as a strategy to try to assimilate those territories. If Uncle Sam is a longstanding ally of those other countries, China complains it is the victim of US "warlike actions." :violin:
     
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    I must look for published satellite imagery showing aircraft aboard and if there are, look for evidence of flight training.
     
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    China to test its aircraft carrier Liaoning in South China Sea - UPI.com

    PLAN understands that ocean has big waves and they should not bump into other ships. A good start.

    Still want to see imagery of flights on and off the deck.
     
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    Oh really? Let's check!

    Japan, the "ownership" of the disputed island can't be even supported its own military ally-USA.

    The U.S. Could Have Prevented the Senkaku/Diaoyu Crisis. Why Did It Not? - Forbes

    Vietnam-a country didn't even claim its ownership until 1975.
    Quote:"Hanoi had recognized Chinese sovereignty over the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Since 1975, Vietnam has claimed both groups based on historical claims of discovery and occupation. In 1977 Vietnam also established a 200-nautical-mile EEZ."

    Philippine-the first claim was made in 1971.

    But if we look at China: ROC made its claim on 1947 and copied the biggiest one since 1956 while PRC made its claim on 1951

    http://www.rsis.edu.sg/publications/WorkingPapers/WP87.pdf
     
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    Every Chinese is now. Only way to deal with them.
     
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    Chinese will first suffer an economic backlash then a military backlash.
    Why trade with a belligerent communist country?
     
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    Why take away our source of entertainment?? You are too cruel on us Ewald :p
     
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    because truth is just too painful to him!
     
  13. Zero_Wing

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    correction it was 1946 not 1973
     
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    Please provide a third country source to confirm it.

    Sorry, I read it again, the reports says that the earliest claim by Philippine was 1971.

    And here is another one from the university of Philippine:

    The Philippine Claim Over the Spratly Group of Islands: An Application of Article 76 of the UNCLOS | Philippine Law Journal

    Quote:
    "The Philippines did not make a claim to the islands during the 1951 Treaty of San Francisco. However, the Philippines interpreted the Japanese renunciation of the Spratly islands in the resulting treaty as to transforming the area into res nullius and making it open to acquisition.[56]"

    "In 1956, Tomas Cloma together with his brothers and 40 crewmen explored the Spratly and claimed to have “discovered” and occupied 53 islands and reefs of the Spratly."

    "In October 1956 Cloma traveled to New York to plead his case before the United Nations and the Philippines had troops posted on three islands by 1968 on the premise of protecting Kalayaan citizens.[57]"

    "In early July 1971, the Philippine government alleged that the Taiwanese troops on the Itu Aba Island “fired on a boat carrying a Philippine congressman”.[58] After this the Philippine government announced on 10 July 1971 that “it had sent a diplomatic note to Taipei asking that the Chinese garrison be withdrawn from Itu Aba”.[59]"

    So basically, Philippine only make its claim publicly until 1971.
     
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    China is a shameless opportunist.
     
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    Well, Vietnamese/taiwanese/malaysian don't think Philippines are any better than Chinese.
     
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    I don't think the Philippines is making unilateral moves on its territorial issues with those countries (maybe except Taiwan). The Philippines in the first place is not in a position to do what China is doing, sending an aircraft carrier to the disputed area when the former is in the midst of relief efforts on the areas where the World's strongest typhoon has wrecked havoc.
     
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    Philippine is not making unilateral moves now since they already made their unilateral moves before--blowing other's official mark on the reef, harassing and even shooting other countries' fishmen to death, etc. The fact is that every country around south china sea has been doing the same thing and taking advantage of China's silence. But now, China starts to do the same thing you guys have been doing. It doesn't make Chinese better than anyone else, but philippines/taiwanese/vietnamese not either.
     
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    I have not understood this allusion about 'China's Silence'.

    Any other option China has?
     
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    Municipality of Kalayaan

    The Philippine assertion of sovereignty over the Spratly Islands began in May 1956, when Tomas Cloma, owner of a Philippine fishing vessel company and director of the Philippine Maritime Institute, declared the founding of the new municipality called "Kalayaan" (Eng.: freedom). He found the islands while he, with his brothers and 40 crew, was adventuring in the vast South China Sea. Observing that there was no human settlement nor national flag present on them, he decided to establish the Kalayaan municipality. He posted a document in English, entitled Notice to the Whole World, on all features he claimed. His claim comprises about fifty features among the Spratly group In September 1956, after the Republic of China occupied the largest island, Ligao Island (Itu Aba), Tomas Cloma decided to cede and sell all the territories of his state to the Philippines for just one peso (US$0.50 of the time).Cloma wrote Carlos Garcia, then n Philippine Vice President and Foreign Minister, asserting that his occupation was based on "discovery and occupation." Garcia replied that judging from the point of "occupation" and "proximity," there were no reasons for these islands and reefs not to be under Philippine jurisdiction. The Philippine government incorporated the Kalayaan group into Palawan Province as a municipality in April 1972, and claimed in 1974 that "Its location rendered it strategically important to Philippine national security." In 1978, the Philippine Presidential Decree No. 1599 underscored the fact that Kalayaan is within the Philippine 200-mile exclusive economic zone.On the whole the Philippine claim extends over an area of 70,150 sq. nm

    again your wrong
     
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    Ok, just look at your own quote:
    "The Philippine government incorporated the Kalayaan group into Palawan Province as a municipality in April 1972"

    In other words, before 1972, all actions on Sprately islands from Philippine side were just only Tomas Coma's personal activities.

    Just have a read of the link below, which will give you a better picture of what happend between 1956 and 1972:

    History | Tomas Cloma | Spratly Islands | South China Sea | Kingdom of Colonia St John
     

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