Philippines Eyes Frigates From India

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  1. Oblaks

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    "MANILA, Philippines - The Philippines, which is beefing up its defense capability, is considering the procurement of naval frigates from India.

    Philippine officials discussed this the other day with a visiting delegation from India led by External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid.

    India has intensified its engagement with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations as part of its “Look East” policy in the past decade."


    Phl eyes frigates from India | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
     
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    So will China complain to India and then India will have to deny getting the complaint?:notsure:
     
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    The present Govt. of India would deny getting formal request/ enquiry from Philippines instead.
    They would rather give two OPVs to Sri Lanka than co-operate with Manila.
     
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    Well Salma Kurshi will say to the delegates that "I Myself like to livee on board a Chinese warship. You can go directly to beijingyi to buy some of the world class frigates"

    Utter Nonsense.
     
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    Indian shipyards are not meeting the Indian Navy requirement, so the question of selling naval vessels is a moot point.

    However, one or two of the frigates already under the mast can be sold to keep the strategic partnership active.

    India should care for itself and not get bothered with what China says or does.
     
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    It will be better , if we can lease one old frigate to Philipines Navy for the time being & start manufacturing new one for them. Now we have capacity as new pvt. player like L&T, ABG & Pipvav are there. Govt. shipyard can enrope them in executing such requirement.

    Important thing is we should entertain such requirements in order to place our foot in this market and simultaneously it shall provide us diplomatic & strategic advantages.
     
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    There has been no such report from the Indian media.
     
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    As far as I'm aware, almost of all the ships of the Philippines Navy are ex US ships that were "gifted"/ sold at a very cheap price.

    The Philippine's has had ongoing, long term issues with Muslim seperatists and what limited funding has been available has gone to gearing up the Philippine's Army and Air Force for COIN operations. The Philippine's Navy has been the forgotten cousin and has had to make do with WW2 era rust buckets. The Philippine Navy's "new" frigate is an ex US coast guard boat that served in Vietnam.

    While it's good the Philippine might build up their strategic capabilities so they can stand up to the Chinese, am pretty dubious they'll be making any major investments in warships...
     
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    we need friends too.look east policy is in action
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    try to put Akash missile on warships for our need and for foreign orders. That way with Ship we can sell air defence radar and missile.

    I was told that Rajandra radar was installed at Ship, so akash too can be put on ship, if we can make it auto loader for it, then it will be even better.
     
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    Sir ..was that the Vertical Launch Trails of Akhash Missile Completed
     
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    no but we can use the same as done by others.
     
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    The Philippines as well as India have a lot of commonalities. In terms of business relationship (stop gap to USA), language and strategic use. India really needs to take advantage of its local business conglomerates (Britannia, bajaj, tatas, etc, etc) and expand into markets like Philippines and Indonesia in a first step approach.

    we can also start by patrolling at the request of Philippines near their seas and contract with them to build a few frigates. we can also give training to the Philippine armed forces what we do in Kashmir. How to setup a infiltration grid and terminate terrorists.
     
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    Philippines eyes frigates from India | idrw.org
     
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    Philippines; MND to publish light Frigate tender
    Monday, 07 October 2013 05:14

    Philippino MND will soon publish a $420 million tender for two new-build light frigates for the Philippine Navy. Naval shipbuilders from Australia, France, South Korea, and the United States are expected to compete for the program, which calls for the acquisition of a platform with a displacement of at least 2,000 tonnes and a length greater than 100m. Recent rumors hinted that the Korean Incheon design (Hyundai) is favored.

    LINK:
    dmilt.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8115:philippines-mnd-to-publish-light-frigate-tender&catid=3:asia&Itemid=56
     
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    Who is Akhash ?
     
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    Maybe that is because bidding is still going on. Garden Reach Shipbuilding is one of the bidders

    https://philgeps.gov.ph/GEPSNONPILO...DirectFrom=OpenOpp&Type=category&BusCatID=139

    "The 11 firms are Piriou Naval Services, Navantia Sepi (RTR Ventures), Thyssenkrupp Marine System, STX Offshore & Shipbuilding, Damen Shipyards, Fincantieri, STX France SA, Hyundai Heavy Industries, Inc., Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd., DCNS France and Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering Co. Ltd., according to data The STAR has obtained from the Department of National Defense (DND)."

    11 firms interested in P18-B ship deal | Headlines, News, The Philippine Star | philstar.com
     
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    India is getting request for warship/ OPV from different countries.

    An OPV like the Saryu class built to coastguard specification would not cost more than 80-100 million US$.
    It will be an ideal grant to a friendly nation and would give a great visibility to the strategic relationship.
    A developmental project of the same value in that country may be beneficial but not carry the same strategic weight-age.

    If we list the current request for naval platforms to Indian shipyards
    we are building.
    one OPV for Mauritius at GRSE
    4 Patrol boats for Vietnam is Planned.
    A west African country has planned to acquire 2( option for 2 more) OPV from Pipavav.
    2 OPV for Sri Lanka is also under consideration.
    OPV/Frigates for Myanmar is under negotiation.
    And now Philippines wishes 2 Frigates from Indian Shipyard.

    But, are Indian Shipyard prepared?
    Are they prepared to handle the addl. orders outside the Indian Navy and Coastguard.

    Among Defence Shipyards Hindustan shipyard is not doing well, so also ABG,Bharati and A&A Gujarat are faced with liquidity crisis and struggling with current orders.

    The one's that are doing well, work too slow to compete globally.The target of 60 months for major Platforms and 36-42 months for non-capital platforms need to be reduced.

    The overseas orders not only are important under Industrial pov but also for strategic pov. It will be a meaningful step towards the larger role which India want's to play in that region.

    So, it's time GOI to step in and address the deficiencies in the sector and provide impetuous for capacity building in the sector.

    But is it a tall ask for the present Govt.? Time would tell.
     
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    Before getting excited, read the comments from ordinary Filipinos below.
     
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