Pastor plans to burn effigy of Prophet of Islam

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  1. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    The US can do nothing to stop this type of mindless hatred since the Law does not prevent such activities.

    Nonetheless, it adds to the tensions already around the world over the increase in terrorism all because of the increase in hatred of each other.

    It will add to the problems the US military already has in Iraq and Afghanistan and hence is hardly doing any good to the US to increase the tensions through this mindless act or an act in the offing.

    What will be the effect around the world if the effigy of Prophet Mohammed is burnt?

    How will such an activity affect India's public life and social environment?

    How can these type of chaps like this Pastor be restrained?
     
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    Yes, nothing can be done legally if the Pastor burns the effigy. But I guess he will have to live with fear for his life after that.

    This will have little effect on the public and social life in India. The Indian Christians will not be blamed for it, so no issues there. I guess there will be some flag burning though. Will be peaceful if protests are launched.

    Such crazy chaps cannot be restrained no matter how hard you try. You can only hope they grow a brain soon before they get extinct.
     
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    Does anyone in US have the guts to sue him for hurting religious sentiments ?????
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Is their any law in the US where action can be taken against those who foment religious discord?

    Or a law that prevents Americans from putting their soldiers in harm's way?
     
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    I think these people are just taking mis-advantage of narrow minded muslim followers in some part of world who go on rampage after such burning. More they protest, more the fun these pastors are having.

    Only if these muslim followers show some matured reactions and learn to ignore such things, then it will stop automatically.
     
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    Right of free speech goes right through their head sir.

    The Americans don't change their laws for trivial things even if it means death to some soldiers because this law will affect other people as well. No President will take away the Right to speech due to political reasons. If soldiers die, most people unrelated to the war tend to forget after a few days.

    If commanders can claim getting gang raped was the victims fault then dead soldiers are a part and parcel of war. Only a yellow telegram will reach home to say how the soldiers died fighting valiantly.

    However I guess the pastor will get a visit from some govt agent to silence his antics or even postpone his plan indefinitely.

    It would be funny if Prophet Mohammad is judged "Not Guilty" this time. :p
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

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    There are hate crime laws in USA but they are for people who have committed usually some kind of crime usually violence against other individual(s). There is really no law to prevent the act. What this Pastor will get from this is a mystery(except cheap notoriety) especially when USA is fighting 3 wars against islamic countries??? Much of the blame goes to the media for giving him so much coverage for doing something so deplorable.
     
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    On the other hand

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...ZAPZEQ?docId=8b46935b61b84431993e3020b0dad2bb
     
  10. Ray

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    And because of Pastors like this chap, Sikhs are getting killed since it appears that the Americans have no idea of the world and its people!

    I am sure even Sarah Palin would think that anyone with a beard is someone from Russia since she saw a photo of Rasputin while see looked out of her window and saw Russia!

    And less said about Joe the Plumbers!!
     
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    Here is a recent Sikh being profiled because of his turban story.


    "As our driver’s license cards were returned to us, one of the police officials noted that a civilian had reported “two men of Middle Eastern appearance acting suspiciously” inside the Cannon Building.
    It was at this moment that I realized we were being profiled and that what made us “suspicious” in the eyes of some misinformed bigot were our turbans. I clarified to the 3 officers that we are actually from South Asia;"

    http://sikhcoalition.wordpress.com/...ts-…-and-got-profiled-by-capitol-hill-police/

    And I will not even start on the whole birther issue.
     
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    Ray.....You are asking all the wrong questions. ???
    The question you should be asking is what makes any religion so great that it cannot be questioned or criticized or even berated in public.

    The British philosopher Betrand Russell wrote the essay "Why I am not a Christian" in 1927. People in the UK were a lot more religious then, but even then no one was killed or attacked. Yes, it caused some heartache among the faithful but no one attacked Russell and there were no fatwas calling for Russell to be killed unlike Salman Rushdie.

    If you are a believer in a certain faith and someone calls it "bullshit" ; why should that bother you.
    Its your faith not his faith.

    The Pastor's point is that Islam is a false fake religion. Its his point of view.
    Why should any thinking Indian Muslim or any other Muslim be bother about what some small-town Florida Pastor thinks.
     
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    This is because Islam has been given to human beings by god, so its perfect, while all other faiths are false. The great Islamic scholar "Zakir naik" throws some light on this issue:


    Believers will not allow others to challenge what they believe is the "Absolute Truth", even if it means killing the disbelievers, since they are not innocent in the eyes of God. But the miscreant disbelievers won't give up so easily.
     
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    What uneducated muslim protesters should be taught is "your burning flags, killing people thousands of miles away will not stop this pastor since you cant reach him or do anything about it other than ranting which gives the said pastor pleasure."
     
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    Quran-burning pastor faces jury trial over plan to rally outside Michigan mosque

    DEARBORN, Mich. — Florida pastor Terry Jones will face a jury trial Friday after a Dearborn judge sided with Wayne County prosecutors and Dearborn police who were trying to make him pay a bond in order to rally in Dearborn.

    At a hearing Thursday, Judge Mark Somers gave Jones a choice: either pay a bond or face a jury trial on whether he must pay a bond.

    Jones refused and will now face a trial, Somers ruled. By the end of the day, a jury of six plus one alternate was selected. The trial is scheduled to start Friday morning.

    Jones told the court he was concerned the delay might prevent him from his attempt to rally at 5 p.m. Friday outside a mosque. He called the trial another way to deprive him of his rights.
    After the hearing concluded, Jones spoke to a crush of reporters, saying he's concerned about "the radical element in Islam." As he spoke, a group of Muslims began yelling at him.

    Leyla Abdul-Ghani yelled, "Shame on you. We are decent, hard-working people."

    Samira Hider, who came with her family to protest Jones, shouted, "Have you read the Quran?"

    Her son Mohamed, 10, held up a poster that read, "Don't burn the Quran. Terry Jones has to go."

    Earlier, wearing a faded black leather jacket, Jones entered the courtroom with a crowd of media following.

    He appeared in court along with the Rev. Wayne Sapp, who burned a Quran last month in Florida under Jones' supervision, setting off violent protests in the Muslim world. Jones intends to protest Friday at the Islamic Center of America, the biggest mosque in Dearborn.

    Earlier, the ACLU of Michigan and others slammed local authorities for trying to deny Jones the right to protest outside the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn.

    The ACLU said that authorities are denying Jones' Constitutional rights.

    The government should "not impinge on a person's right to protest, even when their speech is as distasteful and offensive as Rev. Jones' is," said Rana Elmir, communications director for the Michigan ACLU. "We should combat hate speech with more speech. I disagree vehemently with Rev. Jones' message, but I believe wholeheartedly in his right to express himself."

    Dearborn Police Chief Ron Haddad said that there are logistical and security problems to having Jones protest outside the Islamic Center of America, noting that he has received numerous death threats and has a $1.2 million bounty on his head from a Pakistan-based terrorist group. Moreover, the mosque is surrounded by several churches that have Good Friday services, making traffic an issue, he argued.

    But Elmir said:

    "We can't forget both religious freedom and the right to protest. The city of Dearborn should honor both of those rights equally."

    Elmir said that Dearborn has had issues in previous cases of denying a person's right to protest.

    She added that the ACLU is concerned about anti-Muslim hate speech and discrimination, but said that the solution is not censorship.

    "The government cannot silence demonstrations in anticipation that their message will not be welcomed."

    Majed Moughni, a Dearborn attorney, agrees that Jones has the right to protest. Moughni is not a fan of Jones, having burned him in effigy last year outside his Dearborn home because he had threatened to burn the Quran. Jones later oversaw the burning of a Quran last month.

    But Moughni says it's wrong for the city and county to try to hinder Jones' rights. Moughni added that this is turning Jones into a hero.

    "Instead of him being the bad guy, now he's the hero," Moughni said. "They've turned him into a hero of the First Amendment."

    "The prosecutors should withdraw their demands and let him speak as he wishes, which is his right under the Constitution."

    Moughni said that even though he burned Jones in effigy last year, he now stands with Jones.

    Michael Steinberg, legal director with the ACLU Michigan, said that the government's actions in this case are unconstitutional.

    "In a free society, the government can't place a price on a person's ability to speak," Steinberg said.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/os-terry-jones-mosque-protest-201104220110421,0,6062421.story
     
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    this moron of a pastor must realise that anymore koran burning will jeopardise the lives of US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.I always that India only had these type of morons
     
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    This might backfire on indians in afghan as well. These radicals do not discriminate between kafirs.
     
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    So what's the stated objective of the Pastor to do all this? Some publicity and funds for his church?
     
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    Pastor Jones is a few fries short of a happy meal. Yes, his actions can jeopardize the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. The only reason why Jones burns Korans is because he knows it will get a violent response from the Muslim community.

    Although Jones knows he has the right to free speech under the constitution, he does not have the right to incite a riot. The courts want Jones to post a $100,000 peace bond before he has his demonstration. The money will be used to cover the cost of overtime and any arrest that will take place. If the pastor makes threats or incites violence than he will lose $100,000 bucks.

    I'm waiting for the jury's verdict, it should be interesting!
     
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    Almost every faith has that view on non-believers, Hinduism included.

    Nobel Prize for excellence in trolling.
     
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    This guy has a good point, what is the diffrence between deleting the Quran from your hard disk and burning it?



    I frankly think as long as people dont bother each others way of life there is no point in disturbing them but if people do disturb then they are bound to get disturbed.
     
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