Panchen Lama on Buddhist Forum opening speech in English

[yang]

That's cause this is the Panchen Lama appointed by PRC, not the genuine one.

So sure, China has religious freedom ..... as long as its regulated by the state :|

I can't say whether you are right or wrong.
No matter someone is a buddhist or a christian ,he first is a citizen of China,and it's natural to be regulated by the law .And as we all know the role of a law is to stop the things that are harmful to the people or the nation,if we are good people and don't do things that are illegal,so the existence of the law is not important to us.
China is a religious freedom country,and many religious exist in China.And in our Chinese eyes,religious work for the people,and the religious tell people how to be calm in our heart,how to help the other people ,is the god in the religious get angry only by people don't believe him,or people don't offer sacrifices to him,then the god is not really good,in China ,god is so great,and he always help the poor ,not the high society.
And the Panchen Lama was appointed in the tradition way,not by the gov.

 

[yang]

Wow! 1.4 billion RMB? Now that's the real buddhist mentality! It's all about money right. Good job! Keep it up..... I should give you guys props for spending that much on such a simple religious occasion. Yang you seem to be more interest on the $$$ that they spent rather then what you have learned from message of buddha dharma. ha ha ha Keep showing off CCP's dirty money.

I major interest isn't the money,to introduce a architecture,the price is necessary.But we can also see something through the grand palace .If the people don't care about the regilious,why they issue such a large sum of money.And I know everything we do is wrong ,we spent a lot of money on it ,you said we made shows,but if we don't attach importance to it,you will say China is such a big country but can't hold a religious.

 

[Auberon]

I can't say whether you are right or wrong.
No matter someone is a buddhist or a christian ,he first is a citizen of China,and it's natural to be regulated by the law ..

Yes Yes I know, faith in the CCP comes first and foremost always, so like I said, sure there's religious freedom in China , as long as its regulated by the state :|

And as we all know the role of a law is to stop the things that are harmful to the people or the nation,if we are good people and don't do things that are illegal,so the existence of the law is not important to us.

Bunch of rhetoric that doesn't make sense and has nothing to do with context....

China is a religious freedom country,and many religious exist in China.

Rest of the world disagrees, but if you truly believe that, then I ll just say that your and my concept of freedom is poles apart but that is understandable, given that I have had the privledge of being born in a country where people actually get to choose their legislators.

And in our Chinese eyes,religious work for the people,and the religious tell people how to be calm in our heart,how to help the other people ,is the god in the religious get angry only by people don't believe him,or people don't offer sacrifices to him,then the god is not really good,in

Is that the party line then? :Cool: You get to determine the meaning and usefulness of religion? Some freedom.

China ,god is so great,and he always help the poor ,not the high society.

Well yes, that we know, spent enough time with Chinese posters to know that China is a utopia, no surprises there at all. Pretty discriminatory of God to ignore the high society though, but what the heck, thats just a minor side issue

And the Panchen Lama was appointed in the tradition way,not by the gov

 

[Auberon]

I major interest isn't the money,to introduce a architecture,the price is necessary.But we can also see something through the grand palace .If the people don't care about the regilious,why they issue such a large sum of money.

To show the benevolent nature of the Party , but I bet you knew that already.

And I know everything we do is wrong ,we spent a lot of money on it ,you said we made shows,but if we don't attach importance to it,you will say China is such a big country but can't hold a religious

Yes, because people have been complaning about China's lack of a palace for such a long time, never mind the teeny weeny glitches about the actual freedom of religion.

 

[Flint]

China is a religious freedom country,and many religious exist in China..

Oh please. Last I heard they were banning the bible.

 

[Pintu]

Sorry , Yang that's the one thing, I've heard that China has official church , is it true?

 

[yang]

Oh please. Last I heard they were banning the bible.

Never,If we banned the bible,it may be thing long time ago,and during cultural revolution ,we even banned Confucius,but we now respect him a lot.
I can buy bible in the book shop,and I can also buy Koran here,my father has once a time introduced them both to me,he said they are all valuable cultural in the humanbeing history,and they all represent other culture,if you read them,you will have a border outlook.And my grandma is a christian,and a lot of old live around her will go to church on weekend.

 

[yang]

Sorry , Yang that's the one thing, I've heard that China has official church , is it true?

Yes.But I know little about them,I am a atheist,but you will not say me is a pure atheist,everytime I went into the temple ,I would donate,and I find it is a feast to listening to the Buddhist taught by monk,while siping the tea,eating
snacks.And I find what theyare said are good to the society and can help the people always busy to do things get rid of annoyance.

And the church,you mean the christian?Yes,there are a large population of people in China believe in it.But we have our own pope,and the pope is not appointed by Vatican,because of this in2008,we had conflicts with Vatican.
And I think whether the pope is appointed by the Vatican,it is christian ,too.and the god will happy too.

 

[yang]

Quote:
And as we all know the role of a law is to stop the things that are harmful to the people or the nation,if we are good people and don't do things that are illegal,so the existence of the law is not important to us.

Bunch of rhetoric that doesn't make sense and has nothing to do with context....

They did .I mean,although the regilous has been in China for more than one thousand years,but we Chinese always keep a Lukewarm attitude towards religious.the main value of the society is set up by Confucius.And if the god get angry ,he won't be the god in our heart,and the god in our heart won't force people to embrace him.

 

[Auberon]

Never,If we banned the bible,it may be thing long time ago,and during cultural revolution ,we even banned Confucius,but we now respect him a lot..

More like in 2007.

I can buy bible in the book shop,and I can also buy Koran here

Don't try, they ll probably add your name to the blacklist and harass you :blum3:

And the church,you mean the christian?Yes,there are a large population of people in China believe in it.But we have our own pope,and the pope is not appointed by Vatican,because of this in2008,we had conflicts with Vatican.
And I think whether the pope is appointed by the Vatican,it is christian ,too.

Yeah, the Panchen Lama is your own, the pope is your own. Every religious leader is your own, carefully pruned by the party to ensure that dissenting voices are not heard and governmental issues are not criticised. That is the extent of religious freedom in China.

As for the Vatican, firstly, you see, the Pope is not APPOINTED by the Vatican, Pope is ELECTED by College of Cardinals. Now I ll have to explain elections, democratic decision-making process by which people choose an individual to hold formal office, universal adult franchise, representative voting etc.... that is a long list to explain to someone socialist, so I ll just make a relatively simple point.

Vatican City is NOT a secular country, they are a Catholic monarchy, they don't try to insult the world's intelligence by claiming otherwise. Their primary motive is protection of the interests of Roman Catholics, not secularism, religious freedom etc. Similarly China govt. is a communist govt., their primary motive is letting the CCP remain in power, not liberty, freedom of thought etc.

They did .I mean,although the regilous has been in China for more than one thousand years,but we Chinese always keep a Lukewarm attitude towards religious.the main value of the society is set up by Confucius.And if the god get angry ,he won't be the god in our heart,and the god in our heart won't force people to embrace him.

Keep the BS chicanery out and the discussion objective please, its not a discussion about your personal beliefs, your preference for listening to Budhist monks while sipping tea, God's happiness, anger and evangelistic streak, value of society etc.

 

[Auberon]

mistake, sm1 delete this

 

[EnlightenedMonk]

Never,If we banned the bible,it may be thing long time ago,and during cultural revolution ,we even banned Confucius,but we now respect him a lot.
I can buy bible in the book shop

Some quotes from the Chinese Bible that I had the privilege of going through...

Love thy CCP like thy Neighbour's wife

- Para 4:20, Mao

The CCP giveth, and the CCP taketh away. Blessed be thy name CCP

- Para 3:16, Jintao

Thou shalt not have any other Gods before CCP

- Para 1:44, Jiabao

As you can see from the above quotes, it is very much like our versions of the Bible... :blum3::blum3::blum3::blum3:

 

[Pintu]

Well , Yang actually what I can say that religion comes from the Heart of us Human Being , and as of Heart is the soul property of a Human, no body should violate that right of religion to a person as it is his or her property. I am proud that I born in a nation that gives me freedom of religion.

Regards