Pakistans own INDIGENOUS MALE UCAV drone.

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    Pakistan developing its own indigenous MALE UCAV eqvilent to PREDATOR.
    Pakistan has made huge strides in the development of its UAVs–Mukhbir, Uqqab, Jasoos, Ubaabeel and others. Pakistani made UAVs: Uqaab & Jasoos. Up to now the technology was used purely for reconissance purposes, however since 2001, there is an empetus to emulate Predator and Reaper type of drones which has fire missiles and elimiante the targets without the effort of flyingfighter jets. Pakistan is very close on building its own “Predator” which will have the ability to carry and use missiles.



    The Pakistani UAV Burraq is a Predator equivalent. Pakistani UAV firms are working closely with Italian, Chinese and Turkish firms–all of which work with Isreali technology, borrowed heavily from American products. The recent Turkish-israeli deal will help Turkey develop the next generation of Turkish drones. Pakistan’s indigenous UAVs: Uqaab, Jasoos, Mukhbar & Burraq ANKARA — Turkey and Israel appear to be on track to finalise a long delayed multi-million-dollar deal for the delivery of 10 drone aircraft for the Turkish air force, a Turkish official said Friday.



    The project, launched in 2005, was under threat of cancellation amid delays and rising tensions between the two countries over Israel’s devastating offensive in the Gaza Strip last year.“Turkish experts are currently in Israel to test the drones,” the defence ministry official told AFP on condition of anonymity.Should the systems pass the tests, six aircraft will be brought to Turkey’s southeastern province of Batman, on the border with Iraq, for further tests, the official added.“If there are no problems, we will take the drones. We expect the delivery to take place in the first six months of this year,” he said.



    The announcement came ahead of a visit by Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak to Turkey on Sunday for talks on mending battered ties following the latest diplomatic row.On Wednesday Israel was forced to apologise after Ankara hreataned to withdraw its ambassador over Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon’s public dressing down of the envoy.



    The drone project had been expected to be completed in the second half of 2009, but it was delayed by technical problems, forcing Turkey to give the two contractors — Israel Aerospace Industries and Elbit — a deadline until early 2010 and threaten to cancel the tender.Last week, Defence Minister Vecdi Gönül said that negotations were under way on the compensation the Israeli companies would pay for the delay, but refused to give a figure.



    Media reports have suggested that the compensation could be somewhere around 12 million dollars (8.2 million euros).The drone contract was part of an 185-million-dollar project that involved the manufacture of 10 aircraft, surveillance equipment and ground control stations, with Turkish firms providing sub-systems and services.



    Under a 1996 military cooperation deal, Turkish-Israeli ties have flourished greatly until last year when the two countries fell out about Ankara’s almost daily criticism of the Jewish state over the Gaza war. Turkey, Israel on track to close drone deal: official (AFP).



    When the war on terror began, Pakistan requested predator drones for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) so that the Pakistanis could monitor the 2500 kilometer long Durand Line. The request was refused. Pakistan also requested helicopters, and asked the USA to launch a satellite for Pakistan. The requests fell on deaf ears. Pakistan also requested 80,000 M-16s or Klashnikovs for the Frontier Corps who are still using WW2 vintage rifles. The guns have still not arrived. However Pakistan was asked to “Do More.”



    Pakistan as a Major Non-Nato Ally (MNNA) and a founding member of SEATO and CENTO has not been given a single Predator or Reaper. Pakistan has an indigenous UAV capacity, but its drones cannot fire armaments. At present the laser guided technology helps it to identify targets and then relay that information to a helicopter gunship or a plane. Islamabad is in desperate need of UAV which can fire at the target. Need predicates development, and necessity is the mother of invention. It is like being under sanction. Pakistan was under sanctions when it designed and built the JF-17 Thunder with the Chinese. Now the latest UAVis being built with Turkish and Chinese help. Pakistan’s latest UAV is called the Burraq named after a mythical flying horse.

    http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/01/pakistan-to-develop-indigenous.html
    http://www.daily.pk/pakistan’s-indigenous-“preadator”-drones-14815/
     
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    As the quote says, Pakistani UAV Burraq is just that, a myth.
     
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    Pakistan’s latest UAV is called the Burraq named after a mythical flying horse.I hope u can read now.
     
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    We have signed a MOU with turkey already for there indigenously deveoped TIHA MALE which has nothing to do with israel.And Buraq is 100% Pakistani product like other PAK UAVs.We are even developing an armed version of FALCO a drone jointly built with Itlay.
     
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    I dont think so , Can you give me link for this?
     
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    Its a sarcastic snipe at the tall and fanboy claims of daily.pk which is nothing but yellow journalism. Post more on it when it appears in mainstream Pakistani news for us to believe.
     
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    Falco is an unarmed drone

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/09/world/fg-pakistan-drones9

    Rebuffed for security reasons in its efforts to buy unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs, from the United States, Pakistan instead bought unarmed Falco reconnaissance drones from Italy
     
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    Is that all you can do?even then it was also taken from ASIAN DEFENCE and it was announced many times by Pak scientists,politicians (defence minister) and air chief and still u dont want to take it its ur choice.I hope u also dont shy away from PAK-TURK TIHA MALE UCAV project also?.Enjoy.
     
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    It has been announced by top officials many times to develop an armed drone but maybe Buraq is what they were talking about.
     
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    Sir we are already making and exporting drones before Joinly built FALCO.
     
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    but you mistakenly wrote they are armed drones when they are not, the issue is not making drones but the difference in armed and unarmed.
     
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    HELP FROM CHINA?;);)----------------> UAV Link Below

    Analysts were more dubious about Pakistan’s ability to produce a laser-guided missile, but they noted that help might be found in China or Turkey.

    Turkey, with whom Pakistan has an agreement to cooperate on UAV development, is seeking an armed UAV, preferably the Predator or MQ-9 Reaper. This UAV may someday be armed with the UMTAS infrared guided anti-tank missile being developed by the Turkish firm Roketsan to arm the T-129 attack helicopter.

    Pakistan could simply produce China’s new CH-3 unmanned combat air vehicle, “or co-produce any number of Chinese components to assemble a unique UCAV,” said Richard Fisher, China specialist and senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center in Washington.

    “China has also developed the unique AR-1, a 45-kilogram, laser-guided attack missile, apparently designed specifically for light winged or helicopter UCAVs,” he said.

    http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/05/airforce_UAV_050909/
     
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    The whole Turkish UAV program is stalled at the moment maybe a few years down the road these things might happen , by then newer generation of UAV's may also have arrived that might even fire cruise missiles( like Brahmos from sukhois??)

    http://www.flightglobal.com/article...d-unveils-hybrid-cruise-missileuav-plans.html

    Lockheed unveils hybrid cruise missile/UAV plans


    Manufacturer also highlights development of strike weapon and new guided bomb

    Lockheed Martin has unveiled plans to demonstrate a “persistent surveillance” hybrid cruise missile/unmanned air vehicle next year. Named Top Cover, the air-launched, forward-swept-wing design will have an endurance of over 24h at altitudes around 5,000ft (1,500m) and is intended to operate as a cruise missile, lethal UAV or disposable surveillance UAV.



    Speaking exclusively to Flight International, Lockheed officials have also revealed concepts for a new penetrating guided bomb using the warhead from the company’s AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile (JASSM); a UAV development of the Longshot strap-on wing-kit to provide battle damage assessment; and updated information on its proposed 2,270kg (5,000lb) “extreme range” (XR) version of JASSM.

    The Top Cover persistent surveillance UAV is being developed as Lockheed’s bid for the US Air Force Research Laboratory’s Area Dominance Programme advanced concept technology demonstration (ACTD). Sensor options include ground moving-target indication radar, infrared and electro-optical cameras, acoustic sensors and signals intelligence arrays. Various warhead options are also being considered, including directed energy systems. Combined warhead and sensor payloads could be carried by the same vehicle, or mixed operations conducted using swarms of warhead- and sensor-equipped systems to locate, identify and engage targets.

    The vehicle will weigh 200kg, including a maximum 20kg payload, with its wings folding forward against the fuselage in carriage mode before deploying on release from a host aircraft. It will be powered by a single turbofan engine. Its planned unit cost of around $200,000 will allow it to be treated as expendable, says Jim Pappafotis, director of advanced programmes at Lockheed Martin Missiles & Fire Control.

    Lockheed has self-funded development of the Top Cover system since late 2003 using its experience in the USAF’s Affordable Moving Surface Target Engagement ACTD in co-operation with Northrop Grumman. This saw the companies build and fly the air-launched, On-target Weapon Long-range air vehicle, which underwent flight tests in late 2002 and early 2003, but was shelved.

    Low-speed windtunnel testing of a Top Cover model was conducted in January to verify its forward-swept-wing design in fully extended configuration. Studies of designs with more sweep were also made, but the selected arrangement provided a more efficient balance between endurance and air vehicle stability, says Pappafotis. Development of an aerodynamics database was completed last March and work to develop a new-generation autopilot will be completed by September, ahead of next year’s flight demonstration.

    Lockheed says its pursuit of the Top Cover system and other hybrid concepts seeks to re-apply technology developed through a more than $1 billion government investment in the JASSM programme. The work also reflects the increasingly blurred divide between the roles of missiles and UAVs in the implementation of network-centric operations, says Randy Bigum, vice-president strike weapons.

    Plans for a new 450kg penetrating guided bomb would re-use JASSM’s existing warhead, with the glide weapon also fitted with the Longshot wing-kit to provide it with a stand-off range of around 100km (54nm). The proposed UAV version of the Longshot range-extension kit would be stabilised by the addition of a tail and programmed to fly an orbiting profile, with its low-cost camera and datalink providing post-strike intelligence data.

    Development of the more than 1,850km-range XR cruise missile is continuing apace, with Lockheed revealing it began windtunnel testing last February with a 5% scale model of the JASSM derivative. With an overall length of 6.3m (20.8ft), compared with the JASSM-ER’s 4.2m, the XR features a fixed canard foreplane and folding main wing. The canard is required to ensure the single turbofan-powered missile maintains a stable flight profile and to compensate for the weight of the Lockheed-designed 540kg warhead. Bigum says the design “preserves the low observable characteristics that we have brought in from the JASSM, even with the canards”.

    Detailed concept work began in early 2004 with the aim of providing an alternative means of engaging and destroying hardened and deeply buried targets, with the company-funded development now being pitched as a potential new-start USAF ACTD for fiscal year 2007. About 80% of the JASSM design’s electronics would be reapplied in the basic XR missile, although Pappafotis says the project provides an opportunity to explore alternative warheads, datalinks, non-co-operative target identification technology and precision guidance systems with reduced reliance on GPS. The missile would not use a terminal seeker under current concepts, instead receiving target updates from USAF Northrop E-8 JSTARS aircraft via datalink or satellite.

    The weapon’s rocket-boosted penetrator warhead will have a velocity of about 2,300ft/s (700m/s), says Pappafotis, who adds that the charge will be “going in [at] better than Mach 2”. If fielded, the XR cruise missile would be carried by the USAF’s Northrop B-2 and Boeing B-52 bombers, which, respectively, could carry up to eight and four weapons internally and two and eight weapons externally. Boeing’s F-15 fighter is another possible candidate host platform, says Pappafotis, with the type viewed as a potential trials aircraft if the proposed ACTD gains approval.
     
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    The MALE UCAV you are talking about is TIHA.Im saying apart from TIHA we are also working on BURAQ which is 100% indigenous.And yes TIHA project is alive ad kicking its complete.
     
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    TIHA MALE UCAV.
    Program Definition:

    The contract of the Turkish Indigenous Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) – TIHA Program was signed between the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) and TAI on December 24, 2004, to meet the requirements of Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) The program covers design, development, production, test and delivery of three air vehicle prototypes, all related ground systems and technical documentation. The program is composed of "Conceptual Design," "Preliminary Design," "Detail Design and Development" as well as "Tests and Evaluation" phases. During the development phase, a Systems Integration Laboratory (SIL), where system elements and their interfaces will be developed and integrated, will be established. Following the integration of the system, the first flight of TIHA is planned to be realized in 2009.

    System Definition:

    The TIHA system comprises of aerial platform, Ground Control Station (GCS), Transportable, Image Exploitation Station (TIES), Portable Video Terminal (PVT) and miscellaneous Ground Support Equipment (GSE). The system composition is shown in the figure given below.

    With TIHA system, which is developed for day and night real time image intelligence for surveillance, reconnaissance, fixed/moving target detection, identification and tracking missions; the following payload can be carried on board:

    Electro-Optical Day Camera (EO Day TV),
    Day Camera (EO-Electro Optic) / Thermal Camera (IR-Infrared) / LRF-Laser Range Finder & LD-Laser Designator and Spotter,
    SAR-Synthetic Aperture Radar / MTI- Moving Target Indicator & ISAR-Inverse SAR.
    Full composite airframe is composed of monocock fuselage, detachable wing and V-Tail, retractable landing gear, equipment bays, service doors and other structural components. The air vehicle is powered by a pusher type piston-prop propulsion system. The airframe is equipped with miscellaneous sub systems like fuel system; de/anti-ice devices; environmental conditioning system for cooling/heating requirements of the compartments.

    The avionics system includes a Flight Management System (FMS); integrated to FMS, flight sensors (pitot-static sensor, embedded GPS/INS, magnetic heading, displacement, temperature, pressure transducers), actuators; dedicated communication and identification devices; mission control, record; and other control and interface units.

    Technical Specifications:

    TIHA system basic performance parameters are as follows:

    Service Ceiling: 30,000 ft
    Endurance: 24 hrs
    Cruise Speed: >75 kts
    Environmental Conditions: 15 kts side wind, 20 kts head wind; temperature, humidity, rain and icing limits as defined in MIL-HDBK-310
    Air vehicle's basic specifications are:

    Property
    Unit
    Value

    Fuselage Length
    m
    10

    Wing Span
    m
    17

    Wing Area
    m2
    13.6

    Wing Aspect Ratio
    -
    22

    Wing Sweep (quarter chord)
    °
    0

    MTOW-Maximum Take-off Weight
    kg
    1,500

    Fuel Weight
    kg
    250

    Payload Weight
    kg
    200









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    Your first post suggested a Predator type UAV!!

    Buraq, I have no doubt about, u must be having it !! I dont want to be sound rude but Buraq etc are avionics school projects.....Real tech is something like a Predator------Seek and destroy! and get back safely!:eek:
     
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    This program started in 2004 and nothing has developed yet and nothing probably will for another 10 years, no mention of joint collaboration with Pakistan do you have the link for that part?
     
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    TIHA is Turkish. Pakistan has no role in that. You are flowing in emotions and losing objectivity by posting unrelated articles, My article clearly suggests Chinese UAV CH-3 :cool:
     
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    If your ministers/politicians have declared so many times what's stopping you from quoting relevant credible sources not some asian defence blog. Quote some credible mainstream sources like - The News, Daily Times, DAWN etc. not rupeenews kind of news.
     
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