Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by rockey 71, Jul 13, 2015.
Pakistan's aggressive nuclear missile program.
These guys are proud of their war toys.
These are only toys by the way.
Painted toys from China !
Nuclear weapons aren't really useable these days and yet are incredibly expensive. So Pakistan ends up spending more and more money that it can't afford on weapons it's unable to use during limited conflicts and skirmishes, making their conventional army even weaker.
Isn't it more so with India?
No..only those silly enough to buy chinese weapons. But then pakis know in a real war they will last approximately 2 days or less. So the dingdong rip offs are only for show and parades.
Ironically, most of the Indian members in this forum are enthusiastically advocating the building up of India nuclear force. And oppose to what you believe, nuclear weapon is lot cheaper than building up conventional forces especially when you are threatened by an enemy with overwhelming economic advantage. Pakistan can accept loss in any limited conflict and skirmish, but they can't live with the possibility that they may lose their part of Kashmir for ever. Last time, Americans forced India to withdraw from this part of land, Pakistan just doesn't want it happen again.
What year are you talking about?
@no smoking what have you been reading.
And by the way Pakistan is not afraid of losing their occupied Kashmir, they know in the even of any war with India it is going to be split up into 3-4 parts.
I have not seen any discussion in this board where 'most of the Indian members in this forum are enthusiastically advocating the building up of India nuclear force' whereby you infer that they want to be in Nuclear arms race with Pakistan. No, we have enough nukes to send Pakis to stone age 10 times and deter Chinese from mischief. But, we need to build up our nuclear triad, which doesn't mean building nukes and for nuclear triad we need developed delivery system.
Now, don't ask me why we need nuclear triad. Particularly if our enemy is as fickle like Pakis who threaten nuclear war every time they open their trap. So, we almost have the triad which will help obliterate Pakis once and for all IF they ever actually take the forbidden step. We in reality don't need more than a dozen fully functional warhead.
Of course nukes are lot cheaper, or Pakis couldn't have been able to afford it.
You may also like to post links or sources of your knowledge where this nugget of information resides that 'America' forced 'India' to withdraw from POK. Hell, if that is true, it will run a riot in India that which Govt. was that who retreated from POK after occupying it. Last time I checked India accepted American friendship only in last decade and then too as equals. So, please enlighten us. Or stop Smoking whatever you are smoking.
Nukes have a much bigger real costs, strategically, then just the cost of refining and manufacturing pits. But then India can afford to enhance its own nuke pile, since most of it is kept ambiguous form - a recessed deterrence form. The Chinese too enjoy this benefit. But Pakis on the other hand cannot have the benefit of this ambiguity. They simply have to talk big, which forces new costs on them.
Nuclear weapons give nations to exercise a freehand in battle to do everything NON nuclear.
Pak Knows it, India knows it.
The nuke gives both the nations advantage to have a level field in war.
So far it has acted as a deterrence.
More than China, Pak knows the cost of nuclear escalation despite their talks and videos
Pakistan knows that they wont be here in this world to claim Kashmir even if they use a tactical nuke for a limited strike. They cant live with the possibility of surviving a nuke strike from India.
China's beloved Pakistan went to US and asked it to intervene before India sends them all Pak soldiers to their virgins.
One thing Pakistan knows is..they are really good in starting a war..but them doesnt know how to end it and the best part is India knows how to end Pakistan unceremoniously.
Pakistan just dont want it to happen, but the reality is Pakistan is sick and helpless to sustain a even a cross border firing...and them thinking about sustaining a war and winning it.
All these talks about Nukes from Pakistan is them reassuring their civilian population. Thats all. Nukes are the only thing Pak establishment have which the Pak terrorists dont have and thats the only thing the Pak establishment can "flaunt."
Everything else the terror organizations are outmaneuvering the pak establishment
@no smoking ,
Since other have explained pretty much everything let me open your eyes to financial matters.
Pakistan nuclear weapons program costs their public $2.5 billion annually. They are spending way more than they can afford and this amount will continue to increase in conjunction with their ever expanding arsenal.
OTOH, Indian nuclear weapons program while pretty expensive at $4.1 billion is not even remotely as draining to the economy.
What India needs is a much bigger, more ambitious and therefore more expensive Pakis nuke program. I personally want them to harbour a SSBN ambition.
It costs more to provide security and maintenance.
Nuclear weapons are "more bang for the buck" but ONLY and this is a HUGE IF, IF you can use them. So yes they will prevent the utter destruction of Pakistan perhaps, but they are also eating the military budget day to day. Realistically they are never going to be used, because the reply to 1 nuke being used is to fire them all. I can't see any situation where Pakistan is like "yes the utter annihilation of our nation and injuring India badly is worth it, because we can't lose Kashmir." I doubt even if India were to invade and conquer all of Pakistan, if anyone in Pakistan would have the guts to use a nuke, knowing every family member they ever had would die because of it.
What is realistic are skirmishes, and low intensity conflicts. Here Pakistan is shooting itself in the foot. India shouldn't raise their stockpiles by much or play some sort of nuclear arms race with Pakistan openly. One India has just been endorsed by the USA as a responsible nuclear power and two it makes Pakistan look really bad and freaks out the west. Let India reap the benefits of Pakistan's dangerous nuclear gamble by exploiting it for PR.
America never forced India to withdraw from anywhere. America didn't even have the power to make India withdraw in 1971, when they really really wanted India to. If you mean 1999 Kargil, then Sharif just used America as an excuse to pull back his idiot troops from an invasion that was impossible to win and was never sanctioned by his government. A "face saving measure" that accomplished little.
You are reading too much of CCP propaganda !!
Pakistan can accept loss in any limited conflict and skirmish, but they can't live with the possibility that they may lose their part of Kashmir for ever. Last time, Americans forced India to withdraw from this part of land, Pakistan just doesn't want it happen again.[/QUOTE]
When did USA forced India for retreat ?
India simply wants occupied territories back from Pakistan and China... Please give the land back and leave with peace... there will no need to spend money on Nukes...
How are nuclear weapons cheaper, if you cannot use them in any conflict?
India has made its doctrine clear that it will treat the use of tactical nukes with a strategic response. So there goes the Nasr. Pakistan does not have a first strike capability nor a credible BMD, meaning any strategic strike will get it nuked in response. How then would Pakistan use any of its nukes without performing suicide?
Taiwan ought to test in that case
Are they barred from testing ?? A small neutron test aided and abetted by India (AKA North Korean masala) !!
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