'Pakistan's Nasr missile is the most dangerous development in South Asia'

[Zarvan]

We do not get into the roof tops to say "We Can Nuke You" ...It is up to you what you want "Your Holy Places Intact" or "Nuke India" ??... it is your choice... If you Nuke India then the consequences will be All your religious place will immediately become legitimate targets... As I said earlier we will make repeated strikes after strikes so that those places are not recognizable and can not be restored again there after...

India has enough to nuke from Morocco to Malaysia ...

As one Pakistani said sometime ago If Pakistan have to go down it take whole of India... Now an Indian says If India have to go down it will take whole of Muslim Ummah and all its holy places...

Holy places will remain intact and you would be nuked. You can do nothing about Holy Places. So you can end your wet dreams

 

[Abhijat]

Holy places will remain intact and you would be nuked. You can do nothing about Holy Places. So you can end your wet dreams

So you meant to say these "holy places" have Anti-Ballistic Missile defense system in place ?

Or would it be some kind of laser from outer-space , maybe from realm of GOD .

 

[Adioz]

This "we nuke you if you nuke us" argument has been going on for quite a while now. It does not solve any purpose. :blah:
Are we not forgetting that this discussion was about the Nasr missile?
Lets take a deep breath and calm down.

If you are a Pakistani and reading this: What in hell is the logic of initiating a suicide mission with this stupid idea of nuking forward Indian forces as a first strike just to stop an Indian advance? Is that your confidence in your conventional warfare abilities? Even if you hurt India a lot in this process, you would practically give India the license to wipe out your nation with a retaliatory strike. Is this idea worth it?
Just close your eyes and imagine your loved ones. Be honest with yourself and ask yourself if god offered to destroy India but take away those loved ones(not in a flash but with a slow radiation disease that makes their hair fall off and makes them vomit their guts out as you watch on in horror and despair), would you make that wish? You don't need to answer me, just answer this to yourself.
If you expend this effort in not suicidal platforms like Nasr but in developing your conventional warfare capabilities to delay Indian action till international pressure builds, you would have more than just a chance of surviving a conflict with India, something that the nuclear option you pursue takes right off the table. Don't buy this B.S. propaganda your government is selling you. Question your leaders like we question ours. With the right efforts, training and doctrine, even a weaker force can play havoc with a stronger one. We Indians plan to do the same in the event of Chinese adventurism. You can plan to do the same to us.

If you are an Indian and reading this:Are you alright with a lesser power like Pakistan nuking and causing so much damage to your motherland? Or will you, like the Pakistanis, seek gratification from Mutual Assured Destruction? And if you plan to unload your nuclear stockpile on a failed state just to see it wiped out off the face of the Earth, what will be a deterrent for a Chinese attack when your nuclear stockpiles run dry razing Pakistan to the ground? Oops we often forget that we have a much stronger adversary on our northern borders and in our home waters, that will take a lot more capability (than what we now possess) to defend against.
Nasr is a serious threat and no matter how much we deny it, it has the capability to render force concentration and cold start obsolete. We forget that Nasr is a tactical missile targeting forward troops and not our cities. And if we are so confident about our nukes wiping Pakistan off in a nuclear conflict, maybe we should now try our utmost to prevent and contain the damage a Pakistani first strike may incur. This is the direction that this discussion should have gone in.
But no, we want to take part in a nonsense chest thumping match and talk irresponsibly about destroying Mecca. Don't feed Pakistani pride by making them believe that they represent the entire Islamic world on the Nuclear frontier. Nor does it do us any good to speak so carelessly and spread communal hatred here. Remember that we are India and not Hindustan. We have the third highest Muslim population in the world. Please behave in a mature fashion because this is not the comments section of a youtube video but the Defence Forum India.



Now to take this discussion towards a more constructive outcome, let me get the ball rolling:-
We need to discuss the options that India has on the table to prevent the launch of Nasr missile or prevent the damage it can cause.
According to me:-
1. Attack on Pakistan Army Strategic Command's C3 (Command Control Communications) network.
2. A layered SAM system comprising of MRSAM Barak-8, SRSAM Aakash and QRSAM Maitri to provide redundancy and prevent saturation of air defences by multiple Nasr launches.
Note:- only SRSAM Aakash has gained IOC.
3.Ballistic missile shield comprising of AAD missile may also be considered as an option.
4. MRLS like Smerch or Pinaka for rapid counter-battery fire in case a Nasr launch is detected.
5. ISR assets dedicated to locate and track movements of highly mobile Nasr launchers.
6.EW capabilities with mobile armoured formations as softkill measures.
7. Overhaul of existing armoured tactics that allow quick and flexible force concentration and dispersal.
(Something like this was part of Soviet armour training during the cold war. They practically detonated tactical warheads and had their formations exercise around the area.)

 

[tharikiran]

Holy places will remain intact and you would be nuked. You can do nothing about Holy Places. So you can end your wet dreams

And your cities will be turned to glass. We will survive a nuclear holocaust... your country will not. So, you guys better think before you fire whatever fire crackers you have in your hand. ... NASR or otherwise.Make no mistake..we will survive..you will not.You fire your nukes and your country will be split.We will carve out Baluchistan.Our response will be absolutely violent.So, its you and your folks who are high on dope, who need to end their wet dreams.

 

[tarunraju]

No body will be alive in India to do that

Well then thank god we have INS Arihant, which can sail within 200 miles of Mecca and rain SLBMs on the Kabba.

 

[rohit.gr77]

Try it and every Indian except for Muslims will be wiped out from face of the earth in most ruthless and brutal manner. We are more than willing to do that.

Wow congrats, this Nasr missile is super duper artificial intelligence technology based, as according to @Zarvan this will discriminate between Indian Muslims and non-muslims while hitting the targets. Even in this age of information, this madarsa educated Porki is so delusional.

 

[Adioz]

Everyone here seems intent on killing the point in this discussion.

This "we nuke you if you nuke us" argument has been going on for quite a while now. It does not solve any purpose. :blah:
Are we not forgetting that this discussion was about the Nasr missile?
Lets take a deep breath and calm down.

Now to take this discussion towards a more constructive outcome, let me get the ball rolling:-
We need to discuss the options that India has on the table to prevent the launch of Nasr missile or prevent the damage it can cause.
According to me:-
1. Attack on Pakistan Army Strategic Command's C3 (Command Control Communications) network.
2. A layered SAM system comprising of MRSAM Barak-8, SRSAM Aakash and QRSAM Maitri to provide redundancy and prevent saturation of air defences by multiple Nasr launches.
Note:- only SRSAM Aakash has gained IOC.
3.Ballistic missile shield comprising of AAD missile may also be considered as an option.
4. MRLS like Smerch or Pinaka for rapid counter-battery fire in case a Nasr launch is detected.
5. ISR assets dedicated to locate and track movements of highly mobile Nasr launchers.
6.EW capabilities with mobile armoured formations as softkill measures.
7. Overhaul of existing armoured tactics that allow quick and flexible force concentration and dispersal.
(Something like this was part of Soviet armour training during the cold war. They practically detonated tactical warheads and had their formations exercise around the area.)

 

[Srinivas_K]

India nuking Mecca and Medina? people took trolling to another level

 

[tharikiran]

Everyone here seems intent on killing the point in this discussion.

It's sad...but that's the truth.Only the strong survive.Only your strength can act as deterrent.It's basic human and animal evolution/survival all rolled into one.When you have a lunatic called pakistan on your west.You have no choice, but to let the lunatic know that he will be smacked hard if he tries anything foolish.The day India drops its weapons and opts for peace, there will be no Kashmir... there won't be no India. The world only respects strength.China pisses in its pants, every time Japanese Govt. makes a decision to free up its armed forces.

Without war and preparing for war,there can be no peace.Lives have to be lost. That's the price to be paid.We Just have to ensure unacceptable losses for the other side.
PS: See my signature. Now, who wants to quit.I surely ain't.

 

[Adioz]

When you have a lunatic called pakistan on your west.You have no choice, but to let the lunatic know that he will be smacked hard if he tries anything foolish.

If the other guy is a lunatic, then maybe you should not try and draw confidence from the fact that you can slap him. Rather you should try and think of a way that makes sure his slap(nuclear 1st strike using Nasr) does not hurt you in the first place. I am merely trying to stop this pointless chest thumping.
Buddy, please read the "If you are an Indian" part of my post thoroughly.

If you are an Indian and reading this:Are you alright with a lesser power like Pakistan nuking and causing so much damage to your motherland? Or will you, like the Pakistanis, seek gratification from Mutual Assured Destruction? And if you plan to unload your nuclear stockpile on a failed state just to see it wiped out off the face of the Earth, what will be a deterrent for a Chinese attack when your nuclear stockpiles run dry razing Pakistan to the ground? Oops we often forget that we have a much stronger adversary on our northern borders and in our home waters, that will take a lot more capability (than what we now possess) to defend against.
Nasr is a serious threat and no matter how much we deny it, it has the capability to render force concentration and cold start obsolete. We forget that Nasr is a tactical missile targeting forward troops and not our cities. And if we are so confident about our nukes wiping Pakistan off in a nuclear conflict, maybe we should now try our utmost to prevent and contain the damage a Pakistani first strike may incur. This is the direction that this discussion should have gone in.
But no, we want to take part in a nonsense chest thumping match and talk irresponsibly about destroying Mecca. Don't feed Pakistani pride by making them believe that they represent the entire Islamic world on the Nuclear frontier. Nor does it do us any good to speak so carelessly and spread communal hatred here. Remember that we are India and not Hindustan. We have the third highest Muslim population in the world. Please behave in a mature fashion because this is not the comments section of a youtube video but the Defence Forum India.

 

[bose]

Holy places will remain intact and you would be nuked. You can do nothing about Holy Places. So you can end your wet dreams

You are so backward that you are unable to secure those places... and you will depend upon the Kuffars to secure yours religious places...

It is not wet dreams !! rather a reality check for you... that will what happen if India is nuked ...

 

[Abhijat]

@Adioz , what do you think we should do ?

A fanatic country , whose political administration is in hand of people who are not responsible to citizen themselves.

Sorry, but any life lost, be it in form of a tactical or strategic bombarding is not accepted by Indian citizens.

So deterrence, in very strong form is required.

And "psychological pressure", is also a tactic for such deterrence , so we have this "un-useful" discussion.

 

[Adioz]

@Adioz , what do you think we should do ?

Discuss ways and means of preventing a Nasr from nuking us.

And "psychological pressure", is also a tactic for such deterrence , so we have this "un-useful" discussion.

You think your "psychological pressure" acting on a P.C. guy from Lahore is going to deter the Pakistan Army Strategic Command from launching a Nasr?

Alright, how about this, discuss how we can prevent a Nasr from nuking us and that will exert another psychological pressure on how useless their tactical nuke is.

 

[Abhijat]

Discuss ways and means of preventing a Nasr from nuking us.

You think your "psychological pressure" acting on a P.C. guy from Lahore is going to deter the Pakistan Army Strategic Command from launching a Nasr?

Alright, how about this, discuss how we can prevent a Nasr from nuking us and that will exert another psychological pressure on how useless their tactical nuke is.

First, brother let us understand changing nature of warfare.

Conventional warfare has too much economic cost in place, so we have terms like "4'th generation warfare" .

Here, reliance is on "Civil Society" rather than "military prowess" alone.

Second, do you think a full-proof system can be developed to take down every incoming missile?

Nopes, not in my opinion , I maybe wrong so please do tell how ?

Third, we have to understand our enemy.
Pakistan's political power is in hand of military . So , the "psychological pressure" is not limited to one "branch" , but to whole "Civil Society" , so that they can exert pressure on their government to not be one to start first strike.

See the example of USSR, and the different non-conventional tactic applied by U.S.A and it's allies to bring down the State, was it a conventional nuclear war?

We have to think of different tactic, where minimum loss of life and property can be ensured, because conventional warfare have turn very dangerous , which affects not only present generation but many generations to come.

 

[Adioz]

Pakistan's political power is in hand of military . So , the "psychological pressure" is not limited to one "branch" , but to whole "Civil Society" , so that they can exert pressure on their government to not be one to start first strike.

See the example of USSR, and the different non-conventional tactic applied by U.S.A and it's allies to bring down the State, was it a conventional nuclear war?

You made a valid point sir.
However my point is that we include a discussion of what options we have to prevent a Nasr nuke. We do not want to loose our men in the event that Pakistan looses its head entirely.

options that India has on the table to prevent the launch of Nasr missile or prevent the damage it can cause.
According to me:-
1. Attack on Pakistan Army Strategic Command's C3 (Command Control Communications) network.
2. A layered SAM system comprising of MRSAM Barak-8, SRSAM Aakash and QRSAM Maitri to provide redundancy and prevent saturation of air defences by multiple Nasr launches.
Note:- only SRSAM Aakash has gained IOC.
3.Ballistic missile shield comprising of AAD missile may also be considered as an option.
4. MRLS like Smerch or Pinaka for rapid counter-battery fire in case a Nasr launch is detected.
5. ISR assets dedicated to locate and track movements of highly mobile Nasr launchers.
6.EW capabilities with mobile armoured formations as softkill measures.
7. Overhaul of existing armoured tactics that allow quick and flexible force concentration and dispersal.
(Something like this was part of Soviet armour training during the cold war. They practically detonated tactical warheads and had their formations exercise around the area.)

 

[Blackwater]

No body will be alive in India to do that

not even jammu and kashmiris??? will u kill them too???if yes then why are you supporting kashmir cause

 

[Blackwater]

Wow congrats, this Nasr missile is super duper artificial intelligence technology based, as according to @Zarvan this will discriminate between Indian Muslims and non-muslims while hitting the targets. Even in this age of information, this madarsa educated Porki is so delusional.

may be in every nasr missile, has mulla sitting inside with night vision and steering wheel, will turn right and left

after seeing who is who and than thaaaaa:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[Bheeshma]

LoL why is this chutiya paki coming here to get insulted. The NASr will be taken care by Pinaka Mk2 & 3 not nukes. The substandard 60 km missile cannot even move close to border without being wiped out by Pinaka & smerch. The porkis have basically concluded that they will be fighting a loosing war and will have to nuke themselves once IA breaches lahore, islamabad. Its basically strapping a suicide vest on themselves and threatening others to taken them out. Only the stupid mind of pakis after getting based by IA can come up with these plans

 

[brational]

Since the so called Nawaz and Shariff Raheel(Nasr) missile is powered by Chinese engines and guidance systems, it is pretty much possible that they will fall with-in Bakistan.
Jokes apart, these bakis have gone mad after they got the Toys(Nukes & Missiles) and takes them out to scare others like little kids. Bakis are broud of their current state(Failed State) and the MAD-rassah teachers taught them to believe that they will survive even after nuking India.
BTW, hat's off to Bakistani Mulla Navigation Guidance System

may be in every nasr missile, has mulla sitting inside with night vision and steering wheel, will turn right and left

after seeing who is who and than thaaaaa:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

 

[rohit.gr77]

Where is this @Zarvan dude now? Looks like got hit by his own Nasr missile and it's substandard 60km range. Maybe during tests the missile fell on Lahore itself and instead of targeting kuffars the missile targeted Muzzies due to faulty Chinese systems.