PAKISTAN'S LIE OF DETECTING INDIAN SUBMARINE EXPOSED

[ezsasa]

Couldn't find the original thread to bring it to a logical conclusion, hence the new thread..
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On November 18, 2016, a video was released by Pakistani military showing that they detected an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters. The video is legit and the submarine shown in the video is Indian Navy's Type 209 (Shishumar class) submarine which are 2 to 3 decades old.

However, that was the half truth with manipulated story, and when you will realize the actual story, you won't get shocked, but laugh instead because only a third grade military of a failed country filled with people in a delusional atmosphere can make such a claim.

So here's how it started...

Two warships from People Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) or Chinese Navy left its homeport sometime within late October 2016 for bilateral exercise with Pakistan Navy and the flotilla got surely trailed (followed) by US Navy till Indonesian archiepelago, and later trailed by Indian Navy after getting information of a Chinese flotilla entering in Indian Ocean from eastern side and quickly dispatched a Kilo-class (Sindhughosh) submarine under Eastern Naval Command to trail and monitor the Chinese flotilla to ensure they don't snoop around Indian water territory when visiting Pakistan. Interestingly, Indian Navy found there were not 2 Chinese ships in the flotilla, but a Type 039G1 Chinese diesel-electric submarine as well, secretly diving submerged with the 2 warships. It was a great opportunity for Indian Navy to study the Chinese Type 039G submarine acoustic data and Indian Navy grabbed the opportunity. When the Chinese flotilla was about to enter the Arabian Sea during late 2nd week of November, Kilo-class submarine stopped trailing and the Indian Western Naval Command took charge and assigned task to one of the Type 209 class (Shishumar) submarine to trail the flotilla till the International waters of Arabian Sea, a few hundreds kilometers from Karachi port (in other words, Type 209 was ordered not to violate Pakistani water territory).

Here's when the main incident starts:

Pakistan Navy dispatched its P-3C Orion aircraft to escort the Chinese flotilla to Karachi port. As ordered, Indian Navy trailed the Chinese flotilla till few hundred kilometers away from Karachi port (international waters of Arabian Sea) and SURFACED when the task of trailing was finally done, as there was no need to remain hidden anymore. Co-incidently, the P3C Orion meant to escort Chinese flotilla saw the Indian submarine diving surfaced near Chinese flotilla and recorded the video. And on November 2016, Pakistan Navy officially announced arrival of a chinese flotilla. (http://www.dawn.com/news/1296721)

And finally to everyone's surprise, on November 18 (2 days later), Pakistan military released a propaganda video showing a surfaced Indian submarine with a manipulated story, quickly gaining headlines. Only an unprofessional miltitary with dirty mindset can come up with such a video. No other countries accepted the Pakistani claim. When it comes to anti-submarine warfare, Pakistan military capability is poor.

The news of it spread like wild fire prompting Indian Navy to immediately respond to the allegations. Indian navy rubbished the propaganda, but Pakistan military continued to stick with the stupid claim and even making outrageous claims like Indian submarines are used to give aid to terrorists (freedom fighters) in Balochistan.

Its worth noting that both Pakistan and Chinese Navy didn't announce the secret chinese submarine in the flotilla that docked in Karachi in November 2016, so Indian Navy too decided to be silent about it. However, the information of Type 039G1 in that chinese flotilla was confirmed later after Type 039G docked at the Royal Malaysian Navy’s submarine base from January 3rd till 7th for picking up perishable supplies and for their crew complements to rest after conducting anti-piracy patrols off the coast of Somalia.

The mystery is solved and Pakistan is totally exposed...

-Mohammad Noor Alam

Special thanks to Prasun da/ Trishul Trident for research and information.
Original story - http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2017/01/a-not-so-silent-war.html

http://nmlonline.weebly.com/analysis--review/pakistans-lie-of-detecting-indian-submarine-exposed

 

[bipin]

What can you expect from Pakistan. Propaganda runs deep in their blood.

 

[safriz]

GIDS towed array sonar was used that day. Pakistan makes it locally and deployed on multiple navy platforms.
Deal with it.

 

[square]

what ever it was......more of just a media event , nothing !!

 

[pmaitra]

Please read the opening post. There are some technical details. Make sure your post carries some weight. Avoid one-liners that add no value.

 

[square]

Please read the opening post. There are some technical details. Make sure your post carries some weight. Avoid one-liners that add no value.

jitna samjh aaya , uttna likh diya....abb kahani ke uper doosari kahani to nahi banna saktey.......

we can only write to the extent we understood........
can't make a story , on another story!!!

 

[pmaitra]

jitna samjh aaya , uttna likh diya....abb kahani ke uper doosari kahani to nahi banna saktey.......

we can only write to the extent we understood........
can't make a story , on another story!!!

I think it would be useful if members could post technical details as to how the Pakistanis attempted to detect the Indian submarine, if at all; and whether any countermeasure was used by the Indian submarine.

 

[square]

I think it would be useful if members could post technical details as to how the Pakistanis attempted to detect the Indian submarine, if at all; and whether any countermeasure was used by an Indian submarine.

but my friend , everyone out here might not be a technical expert.......and most of the people has just media reports on which they make their opinion.....
as far as pakistan is concern , they has no parallal in making propoganda....now even both US and the russian experience it in just one month.....

they are on a decline .....and propoganda is the only toll left for them to calm their own people.....

india is a big country now , its a economic as well militry powehouse......

presently , there is a tussle going on for the number 2 power spot between india & china....

 

[pmaitra]

but my friend , everyone out here might not be a technical expert.......and most of the people has just media reports on which they make their opinion.....
as far as pakistan is concern , they has no parallal in making propoganda....now even both US and the russian experience it in just one month.....

they are on a decline .....and propoganda is the only toll left for them to calm their own people.....

india is a big country now , its a economic as well militry powehouse......

presently , there is a tussle going on for the number 2 power spot between india & china....

We have a thread to discuss the power-tussle: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/countering-chinese-influence-in-the-subcontinent.1944/

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Trying to gain acoustic signatures is fairly common practice in international waters. Subs in any case cannot remain afloat for long. Most likely the sub got whatever it wanted when chinese were sailing in international waters and was on its way back when pakis tried to show off. To me it only shows how weak their military is in conventional terms that they try to gain mileage out of what is a fairly common practice.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Also it is vital that India builds up its scorpene fleet asap. Buy the black shark for now and add 30-40 scorpenes with AIP and cancel the P75i. Its useless to go with tenders for such vital projects.

 

[charlie]

GIDS towed array sonar was used that day. Pakistan makes it locally and deployed on multiple navy platforms.
Deal with it.

http://gids.com.pk/defence-english.pdf page 34
http://gids.com.pk/slta

Problem with this kind of sonar is that too much maitinance is required on it, one more issue I guess would be determination of target bearing as more then tow towed array will be required.

 

[salute]

GIDS towed array sonar was used that day. Pakistan makes it locally and deployed on multiple navy platforms.
Deal with it.

http://gids.com.pk/defence-english.pdf page 34
http://gids.com.pk/slta

Problem with this kind of sonar is that too much maitinance is required on it, one more issue I guess would be determination of target bearing as more then tow towed array will be required.

like every paki , he must thought , that the towed sonar he was talking about is something awesome paki made tech like starwars .

 

[Screambowl]

Well it means that naval intelligence of the IN is very well placed and very active and higly professional. Trailling without getting detected is highly commendable job.

But I have a question, why did they surface in the end and tell them that they were being trailed?

I remember this is how PNS Ghazi was trailed and fooled by misinformation about location of INS viraat.. ?



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[Mikesingh]

Lol! So what's new? The Porks are in the habit of making royal assholes of themselves!

 

[charlie]

like every paki , he must thought , that the towed sonar he was talking about is something awesome paki made tech like starwars .

Well that sonar is quite primative in nature but it not a complex design easy to produce but again it has lot of draw back in oprational mode speically in shallow water as the tip end of wet line is dragged through the ocean floor

GIDS is no diffrent then BEL of India, even the hiring of staff is almost the same. Difference is BEL is quite big now. GIDS and BEL are to do the offset work and TOT, they rarely venture into designing even if they do all the sub system are supported through foreign MSME.

For eg: take a look at PPLT cartridges, it's used in mig 23 & 27 but because of offset clause its produce by GIDS for Ukrainian mig 23. Page 21
http://gids.com.pk/defence-english.pdf

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Well it means that naval intelligence of the IN is very well placed and very active and higly professional. Trailling without getting detected is highly commendable job.

But I have a question, why did they surface in the end and tell them that they were being trailed?

I remember this is how PNS Ghazi was trailed and fooled by misinformation about location of INS viraat.. ?



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It surfaced because it ran out of fuel and had to recharge. India does not have AIP subs yet, thats why scorpene with AIP is so important.

 

[Aham Brahasmi]

Mah, whi cares ? Personally I believe we should get separated from union and form our own country,Gujarat. With right policies we can be switzerland of south Asian.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Mah, whi cares ? Personally I believe we should get separated from union and form our own country,Gujarat. With right policies we can be switzerland of south Asian.

South Asia bs...!
LOL :biggrin2:

 

[Project Dharma]

In the past few months, we've seen from Pakistan:

1) Lies about surgical strikes
2) Lies about own and Indian casualties
3) Indian drone shot down lie
4) Submarine detected lie
5) Fake missile test

Did I miss anything?