Pakistan's Ideology and Identity crisis

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incase anyone of us still thinks there is a chance of peace with pakistan. leave the thought right now..

Chief justice of pakistan does not even want to utter the word hindu, that's how much they have gone beyond redemption.

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Shocking for Pak Chief Justice: "Sir Syed Ahmed said India had 2 faiths. One Muslim & another such that even its name I'd rather not utter"

 

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incase anyone of us still thinks there is a chance of peace with pakistan. leave the thought right now..

Chief justice of pakistan does not even want to utter the word hindu, that's how much they have gone beyond redemption.

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Shocking for Pak Chief Justice: "Sir Syed Ahmed said India had 2 faiths. One Muslim & another such that even its name I'd rather not utter"

Imagine how ordinary Abduls treat Hindus in Pakistan.

This sister fucker Syed Ahmed is Chief Justice. The last resort for an aggrieving citizen of Pakistan. Where a Hindu will go to pray for justice in Pakistan? He will rather succumb to local jihadi or convert.


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Nice re imagination of paki history by paki and chini
I like abt ambulances and football in this video

Do check this paki channel for india bashing :pound:

 
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Christine Fair went DEEP inside pakis, again.:lawl:

Lmao.. she compares Pakistan to a child molester. She says, keeping pakistan in charge of counter terrorism is like keeping a child molester in charge of playground security.


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Some excellent articles on the policies of Pakistan's "Deep State".Do read.

The gathering clouds


Uncertainty about the future of constitutional system is growing as the current civilian setup appears to be losing control over both the external and internal dimensions of the governance in Pakistan.
Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, the newly installed Prime Minister who seemed to be quite serious in doing not only the basics in institutional functioning but was also quick in reaching out to other elements in the system has discovered the narrow limits of his power.
So those who blamed Nawaz Sharif’s personalized style of governance being responsible for generating the present crises can see that the deep state would defy constitutional control whatever is the governance style of the sitting Chief Executive may be.
The veneer of civilian control was dramatically exposed over forming a national response to the deepening international isolation of the country over tackling the challenge of extremism and terrorism in the country.
On August 21 President Donald Trump delivered a policy speech laying out the new US policy regarding conflict in Afghanistan and South Asia not only blamed Pakistan for providing sanctuaries to Afghan Taliban for fighting war against the Afghan state but he also threatened to take punitive measures against Pakistan if the later doesn’t change the aforementioned policy.
Then came the 9th BRICS annual summit on September 3-5 in the Chinese city Xiamen.
The Summit Declaration expressed concern over the activities of Pakistan based major terrorist networks including Taliban, LeT, JuM and others and demanded action against them.
The said Declaration also expressed solidarity with Afghan government which is fighting various terrorist outfits.
It was pretty obvious that the country’s isolation on the question of extremism and terrorism is complete.



There emerged diametrically opposed responses to these developments from military and civilian segments of the state.
For military it was straight and simple; Pakistan has already done enough against extremism and terrorism.
It is for the world to do more.
It wasn’t that simple for the civilian set up though.
Had it been only US they might have gone with the military’s line.
But when it comes to telling the world, which includes China and Russia and many others, the narrative has to be more sophisticated and convincing.
So it started with the statement of Khwaja Asif, the Foreign Minister of the country.
After explaining the details of Pakistan’s struggle and sacrifices in fighting terrorism he in the end conceded the need for “cleaning our house”.
The position immediately came under attack from Nisar Ali Khan, the former Interior Minister and a leader of Pakistan Muslim League –Nawaz (PML-N) who is well known for his close relations with the security establishment.
The present Interior Minister, Defense Minister and even the Prime Minister upheld the position adopted by the Foreign Minister.
The open civil-military division on this issue has certainly not helped Prime Minister Khaqan Abbasi to look credible during his visit to US for participation in the UN General Assembly session.
As if this wasn’t enough the death of an important Afghan Taliban leader in the most recent drone US strike in Kurram Agency has belied the persistent denials of civilian and military leadership of Pakistan about the presence of Afghan Taliban leadership in Pakistan.

Internally the siege of civilian setup is augmented with the fresh onslaught of judicial action against it.
NAB courts are zeroing in on Sharif family.
Even the new PM can be a possible target.
But on the other hand, acquittal of hard core terrorists in Benazir Bhutto murder case, the zero progress in investigation of hundreds of offshore companies other than those of Nawaz Sharif and the totally passive attitude of higher judiciary at Musharraf’s escape from the trail in high treason and other cases exposes the method in this judicial madness.
The ruling party is desperately trying to make it to the coming Senate election to be held in March and then proceed to hold the next general elections.
That is exactly what the deep state and its political cheerleaders wouldn’t let them accomplish.
The recent complaints of enforced disappearances of PML-N loyalists in Lahore shows that the deep state is prepared to go to any extent for keeping Nawaz Sharif out of not only power but also out of politics.
But the result of the bye election in Lahore has demonstrated the ability of Nawaz Sharif to attract votes in the core province of Punjab.
His daughter Mariam Nawaz undeterred by the strong arm tactics of the deep state has emerged as a strong political leader challenging the dead wood in the party.
But most serious aspect of the aforementioned bye election is the “mainstreaming “ of the known militant and proscribed outfits.

Instead of curbing extremist violence it is being promoted in politics.
In late 1970s the deep state introduced sectarian and ethnic divisions to weaken ZA Bhutto’s Peoples Party.
Building on the same strategy, and oblivious to national and international concerns, dangerous extremism is being “mainstreamed” to weaken Nawaz Sharif.
It will definitely lead to further atomization of Pakistani society.
Situation on this front is already quite bleak.
The political engineering by the deep state doesn’t allow the emergence of strong political parties which are important for the project of nation building and state building.
Federal political parties disintegrate into provincial entities under state pressure.
Deepening religious extremism and sectarianism is definitely not good news.

The worsening civil-military polarization is not only defining the internal political situation of the country but it will also determine its international standing.
Refusal to act against notorious factories of extremism and terror networks will push the country towards further isolation.
Pakistan it seems is going to give serious competition to North Korea in getting itself isolated.
But it will not be without serious consequences for the future.



Rentier state

So now that the by-election advertised as the most ‘epic’ political contest in recent history is behind us, the corporate media is making sure that the ‘breaking news’ supply line keeps flowing. The latest rhetorical question to keep us all occupied: will the disqualified prime minister come back to the country?

If one story featuring a (discredited) politician were not enough, keeping Nawaz Sharif company on the media waves is his great rival Imran Khan, who, by all accounts, is suffering from a pretty lean public relations patch himself. I find it interesting that there has been such little comment on Khan’s recent downturn in fortunes. He emerged clearly after the last general election in 2013 as Sharif’s biggest competitor, and it was widely believed, particularly during the dharna charade, that he enjoyed the implicit support of the establishment.

Cue a sexual harassment scandal within the PTI followed quickly by allegations of irregularities and non-disclosure in party funding, and the once high-flying Khan has been cut quickly down to size. Have the powers-that-be decided that he is not their man after all?

One can speculate endlessly about the intrigues in our corridors of power, but there is always one abiding theme that structures Pakistani politics: politicians cannot remain too popular for too long. Indeed, if the choreographers play the game right they ensure that the politician-bashing is done by the politicians themselves.

If democracy is about people, it can only thrive through their support.

We all know how the PML and PPP treated each other during the 1990s — both party leaderships acknowledged their short-sightedness while in exile during the Musharraf years. Yet the establishment’s power lies precisely in the fact that it can manipulate old habits; if the PPP and PML-N won’t do it to each other, then the PTI and PML-N will.

There is no sign, sadly, that the establishment’s cunning will be countered by a genuine coming together of all ‘democratic’ forces anytime soon — this would require a fundamental break with the basic premise that has guided Pakistani statecraft for the best part of seven decades.

While there have been very brief periods of exception, Pakistan’s (many uniformed) rulers have sustained themselves and an authoritarian structure of power by renting out the country’s strategic location to the highest available bidder. Some would call this realpolitik. I prefer to call a spade a spade: Pakistan is a rentier state.

The breaking free of enslaved peoples around the world from the yoke of European colonial empires was arguably the most significant development of the 20th century. It follows, therefore, that the actual experience of post-colonial ‘freedom’ has arguably been the biggest disappointment in the recent history of the world.

Even if one were to argue that some former European colonies buck the trend, most countries that gained formal independence between the 1940s and the 1970s have evolved into havens of authoritarianism in which abuse of power is the norm and the egalitarian impulses of the immediate post-independence era have dissipated with the institutionalisation of a cynical, patronage-based public sphere.

Ironically, the most depressing examples are the countries endowed with substantial natural resources. There is a well-known literature in development studies on the so-called ‘resource curse’ that afflicts many African countries. Meanwhile proximity to the US has condemned many Latin American societies to rapacious (pro-Washington) elite capture. Pakistan is also a country whose rulers have benefited from its strategic geopolitical location, while its people have mostly suffered suffer for the same reason.

In my understanding one of the main reasons why Nawaz Sharif has fallen completely out of favour with the establishment is his insistence that the PML-N is entitled to deal directly with the Chinese. Remember how Zardari’s PPP was skewered for trying to do business with Washington without the intermediation of our uniformed guardians?

Some would argue that local elites making Faustian bargains with big powers is the way of the world, and that the Sharifs and Zardaris of the world have no choice but to play the game by its established rules. My take is that Pakistan’s ‘democratic forces’ can only hope to win the game when the rentier state (and its attendant mentality) is abolished, or, at the very least, fundamentally challenged.

In many ways, I am making a simple point: if democracy is about the people, then it can only thrive through the support of the people — trying to take on the establishment via the leverage provided by foreign powers is foolhardy, precisely because the latter turn their back on ‘democratic forces’ whenever they like.

We’ve been fed a lot of polemic recently about (Trump’s) America and its mistreatment of Pakistan. In fact, it is Pakistan’s (real) rulers who mistreat Pakistan’s people — the Americans, Chinese and everyone else who can will befriend and demonise at will, and we who are subjects of a rentier state should know better than to be surprised.


 

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Please explain why this is must-read.

1) It is on the commie-jihadi excrement of a site dailyo. I hate visiting that site, it's almost as bad as scroll.
2) The article claims that Modi was behind some terrorist attacks in Porkistan. No proof is given - it's assumed, like something self-evident.
3) It's an article by an anonymous twitter parody account. Impossible to know the person's leanings and background.

To me, it seems like one of those Trojan Horse articles - on the surface, it seems to represent an Indian POV, but it's obviously making a case to prove Pakis right, that India sponsors TTP and terrorism in Pakistan. There is no proof for such a thing, and I find the claim patently absurd. If RAW were actually funding terrorism in Porkistan, the country would be in complete ruin.
 

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Please explain why this is must-read.
I'm not vouching for the article. I'm only pointing out the possible fault lines in Pak society. It's a fact that Pak army deployed more than 100k soldiers in Waziristan alone.
Bombed Pashtun homes drove many out, rendering many homeless. It's a damn fault line.

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To me, it seems like one of those Trojan Horse articles - on the surface, it seems to represent an Indian POV, but it's obviously making a case to prove Pakis right, that India sponsors TTP and terrorism in Pakistan. There is no proof for such a thing, and I find the claim patently absurd. If RAW were actually funding terrorism in Porkistan, the country would be in complete ruin.
I don't believe we are doing anything though I hope we should. Because if we do something Pakis wud b in great mess.

We should arm & fund BLA + carve out some Pashtun factions, give them sanctuaries in Afghanistan
 

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This guy is a big clown & a well known child molester...He used to regularly get thrashed & banned from Historum for faking & lying about historical facts.
He even try to kiss British a** at arrse.co.uk only to be shown him his true auukad by whites there.

He like most of his countryman suffer from cognitive dissonance of superiority.....You see pakistan projecting itself as an Islamic sultanate superior to kuffar hindu India has failed miserably.... All that left is jealousy seeing India soft power, diaspora success , growing economy & recognition as Great power which their superior Scandinavian countryman has failed to achieve.

They want to be equal based on bigoted notions, which is not possible for a country formed on bases of racist bigoted notions...So what to do ? let's taqiya & claim kuffur history but make sure it's doesn't go against nazria e pakistan & you see pakistani going all out to prove they are different
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^^ Oops I think people here been too harsh on that kaptaan guy at wrong time. I checked the forum he suddenly feeling philosophical, saying I am secular, and there should be peace between India and Pakistan. And that he is leaving pdf (again). Someone find him a shrink or a guru before he commits suicide. Or may be he is just drunk on weekend.
 

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LOL it's the same old crap we are different...pakistan superior..Nordic face..blonde hairs....butter rays...master race....no.1 this no.1 that & it was ancient pakistani who fought & pakistan has nothing to do with people east of Radcliffe... He & his paki buddies tried this same crap many time on Historum only to be thrashed left, right & center....as i said before this is nothing but pure taqiya as there are no taker of Islamic bigoted views worldwide on the base's of which their country was founded.
they now are trying hard to claim kuffur history of Indus region for some sort of acknowledgement or acceptance but keeping their bigoted notions of being different intact.

& as for Kaptaan...This guy is nothing but a text book racist bigot masquerading as an intellectual ...PDF is the only place where he can bull*** his way but on neutral forum like Historum, real historians make a joke out of him
 

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King was purshottom not some khalifa
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