Pakistan's Dream Navy

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  1. U Sun Dar

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    Beset with monetary woes and a tenuous relationship with the US, Pakistan’s naval modernization plans appear to be faltering with the hoped for acquisition of further surplus US equipment now unlikely.

    Former Australian defense attaché to Pakistan, Brian Cloughley, says Pakistan’s crippled economy means “the Navy will not receive as much as it needs for capital equipment,” increasing the importance of obtaining surplus equipment.

    Pakistan has long hoped for up to six Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigates to replace its six ex-British Type-21 frigates acquired in the 1990s.

    In 2005, the Perry frigates Elrod and Kaufmann were speculated to be destined for transfer to Pakistan.

    However, only McInerney was transferred in 2010, and she currently lacks ASW helicopters and missile armament, though a new Turkish combat management system indicates she is at least to be retained.

    Six US Navy Perry frigates are due for decommissioning in fiscal 2013. However, Mexico, Taiwan and Thailand are known to have been offered the frigates, with Taiwan reportedly to take at least four to replace its eight Knox-class frigates.

    As far as can be ascertained, Pakistan has not been mentioned in any official documentation regarding further transfer of Perry frigates.

    Sources in the defense section at the US Embassy here were unable to give any further information, or say if any P-3C Orion patrol aircraft would be made available to replace two destroyed in a 2011 terrorist attack.

    The Pakistan Navy did not reply to a request for information.

    Cloughley said obtaining further Perry frigates is now unlikely, and that both the US and the UK (which has four surplus Type-42 destroyers up for disposal) are “reluctant” to provide combat vessels that would meet strong Indian objections.

    Based on past announcements, Pakistan would like its future surface combatant strength to include six Perry frigates, four Chinese Batch 1 and two to four Batch 2 F-22P/Zulfiquar frigates.

    The Navy did not respond to a request to clarify if speculation for a heavier class of Chinese frigate was a reality.

    Regarding further F-22P frigates, Cloughley said, China “is happy about this, but of course wants at least some money on the table.”

    In the face of Western reluctance, Cloughley said, “the only alternative is China, with which the Navy appears comfortable.”

    Christian Le Mière, senior fellow for naval forces and maritime security, at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, agrees the Chinese Type-054A Jiangkai II (or a variant thereof), “would be a good fit for the Pakistani Navy.

    “Given the political considerations, namely the close relationship with China, and [Pakistan’s] current development of the Chinese-origin [F-22P]/Zulfiquar-class, the Type-054A would seem a logical buy,” he said

    Comparable in size to Perry frigates, but not what Le Mière would describe as a stealth frigate, he says the Type-054A has “a number of stealthy features that the [Perrys] lack, given advances in naval stealth technologies.”

    Carrying a variety of weapons, “[the Type-054A] is therefore able to fulfill a range of roles that Pakistan might require, from ASW to ASuW and air defense,” he said.

    He concedes there may “be concern within Islamabad about over-reliance on a particular supplier or the costs of having new builds,” but added, “from a military requirement perspective, the Type 054A makes sense.”

    The submarine flotilla is in similar straits, with Cloughley considering the three Agosta-90B subs to be “good”, but the two aging Agosta-70s to be “decrepit”.

    “Again, however, the solution may be China,” he said.

    Pakistan was first reported to have signed a deal for six Chinese AIP-equipped submarines in 2011, but that also seems to have stalled due to a lack of finances.

    China has two modern submarine designs, the 4,000-ton (submerged) Type-041 Yuan class, and its smaller derivative the 2,300-ton (submerged) S-20, which can be fitted with an AIP module.

    Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said, “The Pakistan Navy is more or less committed to Chinese submarines due to cost reasons plus it will give the Navy plenty of freedom to alter the design or request improvements in future.”

    Adding, “The Navy urgently needs these subs as submarines are its primary and most effective offensive weapon.”

    Finances also seem to be hampering any effort to offset the loss of the two P-3C Orions through additional purchase of ATR-72 ASW aircraft.

    “Right now, the Navy has only bought a single ATR-72 for training purposes. No ASW suite is fitted yet. The idea was to buy more units, but due to budget constraints they have only gone for one and use it for training and then hope to buy more units once the budget crisis eases, ” he said.

    Ultimately, Cloughley sees a somewhat mixed future for Pakistan’s Navy, which “will continue to be small, even if it is highly professional, and it values its association with Western navies, but these ties are becoming fewer.”
     
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    The reason is the share of navy is decreased to just 18% of the total budget.

    Once the WOT stops.we will not waste 2-3billions on fighting a war for USA against our own people.rather would divert those funds to our official defence budget.

    We now have 2 more shipyards for shipbuilding.they are just awaiting the orders from our navy when the funds are available
     
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    It''s not your money, its Americas aid which u r using on ur army and air force not WOT.

    double game by Pakistan is exposed by America several times.

    biggest proof was osama was kept hidden by ur paki army only to milk America with $$$ in the name of WOT


    BTW dollar 100 ka hogaya ha:wave::wave:
     
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    challl bhagg

    i cant repeat it everytime for you..
     
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    the cost pakistan is stipulating is 1. the loss to economy which further include the lost opportunities in form of bygone FDIs and FIIs. come on since when karachi was so stable. gangsters were in there place doing harm. i remember even musharraf cabinet saying the same many years ago when daily bombblasts were non existent.
    2. losses are also estimated on the basis of lost tax collection in troubled areas of KP and baluchistan which were non tax paying zones of paksitan since independence so its again not a big phenomenal loss.
    3. war cost- cost of fighting a war. yes its an area which is hot and engulfing. but again what war pakistan was fighting? osama bin laden was killed next to pakistani military academy. bombs are pounded on pakistani tribals only. baluchistan insurgency was targetted with funds given to pakistan by the usa to amputate taliban. adding to it what fancy pakistan had in increasing the nuclear arsenal. india is not increasing its aresnal. there is no use of nukes in tackling taliban.

    finally we can say that bill which is presented by the pakistan to the world as war loss bill is not actually a clear expense memo. it includes pakistan's lie and greed that they can get as much as they can without losing a single penny.
     
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    invalid points.

    anyway once the WOT stops..you wil notice the upwards mobility in our armed forces modernization as well as economy
     
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    WE WILL SEE. any way the upward mobility could at max purchase of more chinese platforms on long term loan only.
     
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    I also can't repeat every time for u. Stop being ostrich
     
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    The Pakis can always burn dog shyte in an used oil drum and call it an "indigenious nuclear reactor developed by AQ Khan Laboratories for use in the Pak Navy's future SSBN"......

    :toilet:
     
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    We rather believe in indigenous project.when funds are available

    India imports tanks,We might win the Sri lanka order and export tank

    India import ATGM,we have exported to bosnia,bangladesh,malaysia

    india imports manpads sam.we have exported to malaysia,bangladesh

    india imports fighter.we make one at home and can also export that fighter

    India imports trainer,we export trainers,

    India APC,s..while we have exported them to iraq while bangladesh and sri lanka both will get Mohafiz III.Talha exported to iraq


    the list is too long for me to continue
     
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    :shocked::shocked::laugh::laugh:

    actually you should continue ur list as iam half done in toilet pressure still coming
     
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    Not too long to include TERRORISM :rofl: the biggest and most profitable of them all.
     
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    if that way you want to count then india exprt dornier, cheetah cheetak etc.
    MANPADs and ATGM are chinese made transferred to pakistan just like zulfiqr class.
    naturalization is fine but one shouldnt forget the root of technology. karakoram and thunder both have chinese roots with next to nil technological investment from pakistan.

    anyway people of pakistan even call chinese built launched and even funded satellite as their own. what more can i add.

    and regarding india's achievement. we dont have any agency to sell our arms. when went thru israeli channel we managed tos ell our chopper to many countries. moreover many sub components for sirkosky and even f-16 are sourced from drdo which are totally indigenous
     
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    Chinese made transferred to pakistan?

    no country can re export unless you have the rights to export it.
    the list i have shown above is very small.

    Once you got the license of export which is only given when you are involved in the development from start.

    India has not even exported a patakha rocket to any country so far..we will be soon exported nasr with conventional warhead to many countries including sri lanka and bangladesh
     
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    india is exporting insas even to oman. and off shore patrol vessel to indian ocean countries. in which world you are mister.
    moreover such re exporting rights are easy to get. india have for dornier. even for mig-21 it had.
    moreover now f-16 comes with refueling pod made in india by drdo.
    i dont have data for this year but official release for 2011-12 was that india exported defence goods worth $1.1 billion
     

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