Pakistan's Bin Laden dossier

[The Messiah]

One cant enter cantonments without permission of army so living there without permission is fairytale nonsense.

They knew.

 

[sayareakd]

One cant enter cantonments without permission of army so living there without permission is fairytale nonsense.

They knew.

I want some help from members as it is too big to post details of report with explanation and stumble upon something very interesting in report.

 

[The Messiah]

I want some help from members as it is too big to post details of report with explanation and stumble upon something very interesting in report.

Of what are you talking of ?

 

[sayareakd]

Of what are you talking of ?

Pointing to the fact that they have hidden OBL.

 

[Compersion]

Pointing to the fact that they have hidden OBL.

The question is not they had hidden obl. The question is even if they had hidden why is the relationship still valid between USA and Pakistan as we speak. Lets us take that the paks "allowed" the Americans to take out obl and this is a way for them to wink at the Americans and allow them to glorify and pepper up the home audience. A way for paks to say we are buddies again and please dont get close to india. But from a strategic and setting of precedents the paks fail to realise the Americans don't need such gifts. Hs it reach to such extremes that pak can dis-honor themselves to such extent (if we assume that pak gave obl to the americans). The Americans are way too smart for that and that's the big question what and why are the Americans still having a relationship with pak as we speak. The CIA had a chap that said its either incompetence if not abetting. What a silly thing this has turn out for pakistan a supposed nuclear weapon state (no matter how hard one tries to justify the obl raid later i am sure the paks will do that). Only wish the Americans are working on the next take down of the pak nukes.

 

[sayareakd]

The question is not they had hidden obl. The question is even if they had hidden why is the relationship still valid between USA and Pakistan as we speak. Lets us take that the paks "allowed" the Americans to take out obl and this is a way for them to wink at the Americans and allow them to glorify and pepper up the home audience. A way for paks to say we are buddies again and please dont get close to india. But from a strategic and setting of precedents the paks fail to realise the Americans don't need such gifts. Hs it reach to such extremes that pak can dis-honor themselves to such extent (if we assume that pak gave obl to the americans). The Americans are way too smart for that and that's the big question what and why are the Americans still having a relationship with pak as we speak. The CIA had a chap that said its either incompetence if not abetting. What a silly thing this has turn out for pakistan a supposed nuclear weapon state (no matter how hard one tries to justify the obl raid later i am sure the paks will do that). Only wish the Americans are working on the next take down of the pak nukes.

they need them to get into Afgh, but as the US is getting out of Afgh, they wont be needing Pak, so all the aid and military free bees will be dyed up soon. Pak will again fall back to Chinis.
Pak knows that that is why they are desperate to get Talibs into Afghan power seat. US will play it till they get their men out, once out Pak is useless to them. Mind you uncle has won two world wars and even cold war, so they have all the brains and tech, they dont need Pakis.

 

[Compersion]

they need them to get into Afgh, but as the US is getting out of Afgh, they wont be needing Pak, so all the aid and military free bees will be dyed up soon. Pak will again fall back to Chinis.
Pak knows that that is why they are desperate to get Talibs into Afghan power seat. US will play it till they get their men out, once out Pak is useless to them. Mind you uncle has won two world wars and even cold war, so they have all the brains and tech, they dont need Pakis.

The above underlines that there is a huge importance of Afghanistan now and later. What's the difference between Afghanistan, Tagikistan, and Iran. The Pakistanis are afraid of influence of india in Afghanistan. Well they had the Taliban (proxy) rule to create a satellite state and everyone knows how they royally screwed that up. Afghanistan is a land locked state and it would be wrong and stupid to have that as a battlefield covertly and otherwise between india and Pakistan. That's why I love the position that india has taken and it creates a wonderful precedent for later that india is there for the long term to help in the development of Afghanistan and will not interfere in its internal affairs. Obviously we will insert our modules for our benefit as a strong stable afganistan is in our interest, Now say later if the afgans retaliate and punch Pakistan in self defence (even anticipatory self defence) won't that be great. It won't be done by india it would be done independently by Afghanistan. The only way for Pakistan to prevent that is to be friendly with Afghanistan. It works out both ways for India. Lets not put too much importance to America in Afghanistan unless they are doing something else say using their drones to map the terrain and location of some juicy nukes to take out in Pakistan (let's be honest Americans can wipe and police Afghanistan if they want from Japan). Why else would they have allowed those punks to run off into Pakistan. Be honest Afghanistan is a training camp for NATO, America and all the nations that are there. That's why they won't leave Afghanistan its too good of a training base. You will see they will have some personal in small amounts. I wonder what is the decaying time for nuclear bombs before they need to be refuelled. The reason America gives aid to Pakistan is because its a counter weight against india and also because its a deformed child in international affairs. Lets not forget the Americans are not stupid also they are not evil. Deep down that's why they are successful.

 

[farhan_9909]

@Compersion

i dont know whether Someone has ever told you and i might sound rude aswell but you sound like a typical Indian to m

 

[farhan_9909]

One cant enter cantonments without permission of army so living there without permission is fairytale nonsense.

They knew.

Abbottabad cantt is different from the rest of Pakistani cities.

Once you enter Abbottabad.no one will ask you or you dont need any permission to visit bilal town.

 

[farhan_9909]

while wives of osama has long claimed about many detail

what are her views about osama having relation or being officially protected by the army or isi?

Do you guys think America is so stupid that they dont know the ground realities?
Otherwise they would have long back either attacked or atleast ceased All kind of diplomatic relations with Pakistan

 

[The Messiah]

Abbottabad cantt is different from the rest of Pakistani cities.

Once you enter Abbottabad.no one will ask you or you dont need any permission to visit bilal town.

whats so special about it from others ?

 

[farhan_9909]

whats so special about it from others ?

Abbottabad is like a military garrison.once you enter into Abbottabad.you can visit anywhere without any checking or anything in Abbottabad.

In the rest of Pakistani cities the cantt is small while Abbottabad as a whole is a cantt.

 

[The Messiah]

Abbottabad is like a military garrison.once you enter into Abbottabad.you can visit anywhere without any checking or anything in Abbottabad.

In the rest of Pakistani cities the cantt is small while Abbottabad as a whole is a cantt.

so anyone can enter military garrison without being stopped ?

what a fool proof security arrangement for a military garrison! im not buying it for one second.

 

[sayareakd]

Since more better things to do, but i thought members would like to know something interesting in the OBL Commission's report.

Here is OBL compound.

this shows how big is the OBL compound.

Now check this

What Regional Criminal Investigation Officer has said before the Commission.

"According to him the OBL compound was "as isolated place which was not frequently visited by the public." It was located at a short distance from the local ISI office suggesting the ISI's curiosity should have been aroused.

ISI never said that it has an office in that area. It has counter terror duty which it has taken upon itself. Not many incidence of Terror in that area, still ISI has maintain full time office at short distance from the OBL compound.

 

[sayareakd]

another interesting character

First thing he is not just Major Amir Aziz he is Doctor with PA Medical Corp. In the entire report commission does not mention this fact. It appears that he dont want to disclose this fact to commission.
He was reluctant to appear before the Commission, shows that he has to hide something.

The major, Amir Aziz, was a doctor in the army's medical corps and lived just a couple of hundred yards from the compound where Bin Laden was picked up.

Covert crackdown: 'Army major was not CIA informant' – The Express Tribune
He was in active service with PA and is officer, funny part is that he is either not aware that PA or PAF dont operate Chinook or Black Hawk, still when he saw both helicopters, he didnt do anything then he saw soldiers in camouflage.

here is PA list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Army_Aviation_Corps

and here is PAF list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Pakistan_Air_Force

 

[sayareakd]

Now some things very strange, he didnt informed at what time he called his superior about the helicopter raid, Helis are not in PAF or PA inventory and soldier firing. He senior just informed him to say at home.

His first impression PMA has been attacked and PA helicopters have called in for rescue operation. Rescue operation across his house and he thought PMA was attacked....(LOL). Now i posted the pics of the OBL compound, but he didnt suspect something, just somewhat strange that is all..........LOL.

He is lying from his lips....................

 

[sayareakd]

Now this is where the devil is. He is aware about ISI raid to the OBL compound and exchange of firing in the raid. ISI has denied something like that happen.


With this new guy Lt. Col. (Retd.) Saeed Iqbal. Lt. Col. (Retd.) Saeed Iqbal's son was ADC to Mushi and now works privately for him. May be Mushi wanted to see and get something out of OBL or to see if he still lives their.

 

[sayareakd]

Commission was suspicious of Amir Aziz. But ISI has given clean chit to both Amir Aziz and Saeed Iqbal.

Amir Aziz it appears to have been ISI agent to give medical aid to OBL.

 

[sayareakd]

I would also point out that in OBL report it appears that ISI is trying very hard to say that OBL was doing self medication. But Major (Dr.) Amir Aziz is mostly doctor he had.
Plus what PA foreign minister said is also important that, his wives were delivering babies in Pakistani hospitals.

 

[sayareakd]

Quite strange that ISI arrives before Local Police. Already it was posted that local office was at short distance from OBL Compound this info was not disclosed by ISI to the commission.