Pakistani Lies & Denial thread

[Vijyes]

The Keyword is "LIKELY"
I was wondering if sauds are already in it. cuz this pipeline is used to bring oil to china, so saudi being major supplier of oil, its not something new.

saudis are investing in Gwadar and seems like the work on that port is pathetically slow.
Looks like china got their memo from Balochistan.
What’s Happening at Pakistan’s Gwadar Port?
http://thediplomat.com/2017/06/whats-happening-at-pakistans-gwadar-port/

The port under construction at Gwadar is owned by the Pakistan government’s Gwadar Port Authority (GPA) and operated by state-run Chinese firm China Overseas Port Holding Company (COPHC), which will run it for 40 years.

For China, Gwadar is strategically perched near the Arabian or Persian Gulf and close to the Strait of Hormuz, through which an estimated 40 percent of the world’s oil passes. Gwadar is a gateway to the oil rich Middle East, and central and South Asia.

looks like pakistan wants saud to complete it and solve it for pakistan promising FUTURE potential of the pipeline to china

No, China fully owns and maintains the infrastructure needed for itself lile pipeline, railway link and even pays rent to Pakistan. But, the side activities like power projects, highway construction etc are loans to pakistan. Saudi is likely to repay that loans in return for pakistani military services.

 

[Butter Chicken]

'Hafiz Saeed, Lashkar-e-Taiba are a liability for us,' admits Pakistan's foreign minister

NEW DELHI: Pakistan's foreign minister admitted late yesterday that terrorist Hafiz Saeed and terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) are a "liability" for his country and for the South Asian region.

"You mentioned a name. It's a proscribed organisation. The gentleman's under house arrest. But I agree with you that on that score we have to do more. We have to do more. There are people in Pakistan who can be a liability in times of crisis for Pakistan and (for) the region. I don't disagree with that," said Pakistan's foreign minister Khawaja Asif at a Q&A session at the Asia Society in New York, referring to Saeed, who masterminded the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai.

Asif also acknowledged that Pakistan has to continue its efforts in dismantling terrorism and elements of extremism but added that it needs time and "assets" to do the job.

"Saeed, LeT, they are a liability, I accept it, but give us time to get rid of them, we don't have the assets to deal with these liabilities," said Asif.

In an engaging Q&A session, Asif made an impassioned defence of his country, lamented its slide into extremism and eloquently laid much of the blame on the rise of terrorist elements in Pakistan in the last 20 years on the US.

He said, by "wrongly" supporting the US in a "proxy war" in Afghanistan against the Soviets in the 1980s, Pakistan paid a very high price. Jihadist elements were nurtured by both the US and Pakistan during this conflict, added Asif.

"Don't blame us for Saeed, these people were your darlings 20 years ago, they were being dined and wined in the White House. Now you say go to hell, Pakistan," said Asif.

sif said his "heart bleeds" seeing what Pakistan has become today.

"We justified jihad because it suited our friends the US, because they wanted to kick Russia out. In the process our ethos was destroyed. It makes my heart bleed. Some things have become irreversible...people you are naming, people Trump is talking about, some of these things can't be reversed overnight cause we developed that culture and ethos deliberately...We are paying a very heavy price."

To a question on what his reaction was to US President Donald Trump's savage takedown of Pakistan in August, Asif said: "Not very pleasant". He said despite Pakistan standing with US over decades, it was being made a scapegoat for US failures in Afghanistan.

"Pakistan has stood firmly with the US during the war against the USSR in Afghanistan - which I personally believe was wrong, a proxy war - then we were used and discarded. In the 60s we were in your (US) camp, in the 70s and early 90s sanctions were imposed on us. Despite heartbreaks we still stood with the US," said Asif.
Pakistan's foreign minister then scoffed at Trump's comment that the US has given Pakistan "billions and billions of dollars" in financial aid.
"No billions of dollars were dished out to us, that was money for services rendered. No billions of dollars," he said.

Then he quickly added: "...But I'm here to mend fences."

 

[Butter Chicken]

No US delegation will be entertained in Pakistan without mutual agreement

LAHORE: Highly upset with US President Donald Trump's accusations against Pakistan of harbouring and supporting terrorists and playing spoilsport for establishing peace in Afghanistan, Islamabad has set down new rules of engagement with Washington.

As per the new rules of Pakistan's foreign policy, "No US delegation would be entertained without mutual agreement and strict protocol will be maintained with US delegations according to their official status," the Pakistan Foreign Office said.

"On the one hand, you literally humiliate us and undermine our sacrifices in the fight against terrorism, and at the same time, you expect us to entertain US delegations that too at the time of their choosing. This will not work anymore, strict protocol will be followed," The Express Tribune quoted a senior Pakistan Foreign Office official, as saying.

Low-ranked US officials such as the assistant secretary of state will now not be given the privilege of calling on the president and prime minister of Pakistan, he said.

This became evident when Pakistan told Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells just hours before her arrival in Islamabad on August 28, to put off her visit.

"The apparent snub was a clear message to the United States that there would not be business as usual in the aftermath of the new roadmap unveiled by President Trump for Afghanistan on August 21 and Pakistan could not be taken for granted any more," The Express Tribune quoted senior Foreign Office official as saying, who requested not to be named.

Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells made a sudden plan to visit Pakistan , when she was supposed to undertake a tour of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka to discuss the Trump administration's new strategy for Afghanistan.

 

[sorcerer]

No US delegation will be entertained in Pakistan without mutual agreement


As per the new rules of Pakistan's foreign policy, "No US delegation would be entertained without mutual agreement and strict protocol will be maintained with US delegations according to their official status," the Pakistan Foreign Office said.

"On the one hand, you literally humiliate us and undermine our sacrifices in the fight against terrorism, and at the same time, you expect us to entertain US delegations that too at the time of their choosing. This will not work anymore, strict protocol will be followed," The Express Tribune quoted a senior Pakistan Foreign Office official, as saying.

Low-ranked US officials such as the assistant secretary of state will now not be given the privilege of calling on the president and prime minister of Pakistan, he said.
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Sacrifice
This is really hilarious, after USA paying mucho dollars PER HEAD for the terrorists hunted and arrested by pak army. pakistan was doing JOB for USA and USA has paid for all the services provided by pak.
pak should look up the word sacrifice in dictionary.


Its funny that a so called "SOVERIGN STATE of Terroristan" was allowing low ranking US officials to call THE PRESIDENT and THE PM Of pakistan..Its an acknowledgement.
shows that pakistan is the real bitch of USA which even the low ranking US officials could use.


Anyway, the HIGHER OFFICIALs of USA has stated that they are "BUSY" when pak PM asked for an appointment, that shows who really wanted to talk in any regard.

Donald Trump humiliates Pakistan at UN, refuses to meet PM Shahid Khaqan Abbasi for this reason
http://www.financialexpress.com/wor...fuses-to-meet-pm-shahid-khaqan-abbasi/862260/

 

[ezsasa]

No US delegation will be entertained in Pakistan without mutual agreement

LAHORE: Highly upset with US President Donald Trump's accusations against Pakistan of harbouring and supporting terrorists and playing spoilsport for establishing peace in Afghanistan, Islamabad has set down new rules of engagement with Washington.

As per the new rules of Pakistan's foreign policy, "No US delegation would be entertained without mutual agreement and strict protocol will be maintained with US delegations according to their official status," the Pakistan Foreign Office said.

"On the one hand, you literally humiliate us and undermine our sacrifices in the fight against terrorism, and at the same time, you expect us to entertain US delegations that too at the time of their choosing. This will not work anymore, strict protocol will be followed," The Express Tribune quoted a senior Pakistan Foreign Office official, as saying.

Low-ranked US officials such as the assistant secretary of state will now not be given the privilege of calling on the president and prime minister of Pakistan, he said.

This became evident when Pakistan told Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells just hours before her arrival in Islamabad on August 28, to put off her visit.

"The apparent snub was a clear message to the United States that there would not be business as usual in the aftermath of the new roadmap unveiled by President Trump for Afghanistan on August 21 and Pakistan could not be taken for granted any more," The Express Tribune quoted senior Foreign Office official as saying, who requested not to be named.

Acting Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Alice Wells made a sudden plan to visit Pakistan , when she was supposed to undertake a tour of Bangladesh and Sri Lanka to discuss the Trump administration's new strategy for Afghanistan.

Classic example of pakis and their selective amnesia.

Trump made it a point to thank Pakistan for their sacrifices in his speech, and yet the pakis say US has ignored their sacrifices.

 

[sorcerer]

Proposal made to swap Jadhav for Pakistan terrorist in Afghanistan: Asif
New York, Sep 27 : Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Khwaja Muhammad Asif has claimed that an offer was received to swap Indian prisoner Kulbhushan Jadhav for a terrorist behind the Peshawar army school attack in 2014, who, he asserted, was now in Afghanistan’s custody.

“The terrorist who killed children in APS (Army Public School in) Peshawar is in Aghan custody. The NSA told me that we can exchange that terrorist with the terrorist you have, which is Kulbushan Jadhav,” he said on Tuesday.

Jadhav is a former Indian navy officer who has been sentenced to death by a Pakistani military court for allegedly spying for India within Pakistan.

New Delhi has denied that Jadhav was working for India and has appealed to the International Court of Justice to stop the death sentence.

Asif, who was answering questions after a speech at the Asia Society here, did not specify which NSA he was referring to and did not expand the initials. From that vague reference, it was not clear if Pakistan’s National Security Adviser had conveyed the offer or if it was made by an entity or individual in another country sharing the initials NSA.

He also did not identify the who the terrorist in Afghanistan’s custody was.

The Afghanistan government had admitted that the Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP) Pakistan had safe havens in that country, Asif asserted.

The TTP has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attack on the Peshawar army school in 2014 in which 132 children were killed.


https://dailyworld.in/proposal-made-to-swap-jadhav-for-pakistan-terrorist-in-afghanistan-asif/

Pakistan's claim of 'Jadhav swapping offer' another imaginary lie: India
Highlights

• Pak foreign minister Khwaja Muhammad Asif had claimed that he received a proposal to swap Jadhav with a terrorist
• Afghan National Security Adviser Mohammad Haneef Atmar issued a statement saying there was no mention or reference of India or an Indian citizen during his meeting with the Pak foreign minister

NEW DELHI: India on Friday cited Afghanistan NSA's statement rejecting Pakistan's claim that it had received a proposal to swap Indian national Kulbhushan Jadhav for a terrorist, to assert that it was another addition to Islamabad's "imaginary lies".

The reaction came after Pakistan Foreign Minister Khwaja Muhammad Asif suggested that he received the proposal to swap Jadhav with the terrorist, lodged in an Afghan jail, during his meeting with an NSA. However, Khwaja did not identify the NSA or the terrorist who was to be swapped.

Contradicting Asif's claim, the office of the Afghan National Security Adviser Mohammad Haneef Atmar issued a statement saying there was no mention or reference of India or an Indian citizen during his meeting with the Pakistani foreign minister on September 21 in New York.

Asif had told a gathering at the Asia Society in New York on September 26 that Pakistan received a proposal to swap Jadhav for a terrorist who carried out the horrific 2014 Peshawar school attack and is now jailed in Afghanistan.

Reacting strongly, external affairs ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said the statement by the office of the Afghan NSA suggested that the claim by Asif was one more addition to the long list of "imaginary lies" by Pakistani establishment.

The statement by Atmar's office said the two sides, during the meeting, had detailed discussions on variety of issues including bilateral cooperation.

"The two sides also discussed sanctuaries in Pakistan and exchange of the top five Taliban leaders detained in Pakistan. There was no mention or reference of India or an Indian citizen," it said, adding Atmar was hopeful that the record of the meetings are reported accurately and facts are not "misconstrued".

The MEA spokesperson also referred to Pakistan's use of a "fake picture" in the United Nations General Assembly


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...imaginary-lies-india/articleshow/60885886.cms

 

[Butter Chicken]

The nuclear dimension

Even if Pakistan and the US are able to reconcile their divergent positions on Afghanistan, the emerging strategic alignments that will shape policies in Asia are unlikely to change. The US has chosen India as its major strategic partner in Asia to counter the rising power of China. The resulting escalation in the Indian threat to Pakistan’s security is either irrelevant for the US or part of its strategic plan to weaken Pakistan’s opposition to Indo-US regional domination. The recent visit of the US defence secretary to India has confirmed and reinforced their strategic alliance and intention to collaborate in Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s ability to resist Indian diktat and to disagree with America’s strategic design flows from one principal source: its nuclear and missile capabilities. Without this, Pakistan would have been attacked like Iraq or sanctioned like Iran. On the other hand, North Korea, despite its isolation, has been able to thumb its nose at America because of its demonstrated nuclear and missile prowess.

An Islamic nuclear power was always anathema for America and much of the Western world. The US worked ceaselessly — even when Pakistan was a close ally — to retard and reverse its nuclear and missile programmes. This endeavour has intensified since the emergence of the American alliance with India. Apart from the discriminatory technological and political restrictions it has long imposed against Pakistan’s strategic programmes, the US now demands that Pakistan unilaterally halt fissile material production and the development and deployment of short- and long-range nuclear-capable missiles. Meanwhile, it is actively assisting India in enlarging and modernising its nuclear arsenal, its missile and anti-ballistic missile capabilities, its air and naval forces, as well as satellite and space capabilities.

There are credible and not-so-secret reports that the US has formulated plans to seize or destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons in a crisis. American think tanks have concocted scenarios of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists or, even more absurdly, of the Pakistan Army turning into an ‘extremist’ or ‘jihadi’ force. Indeed, such scary scenarios could be engineered as an excuse to execute the ‘seize or destroy’ plans.

Matters are more likely to come to a head in the event of another war between Pakistan and India. Kashmir is an ongoing dispute and a nuclear flashpoint. Every India-Pakistan war game confirms the likelihood of a rapid escalation of a conflict to the nuclear level due to the asymmetry in conventional forces. A war should thus be unthinkable. Yet, India’s political and military leaders continue to speak of ‘surgical strikes’ and a ‘limited’ war against Pakistan. If India does ever decide to go to war with Pakistan, it would have to first conduct a pre-emptive strike to eliminate Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence capabilities. Or, would the US be prepared to do so on India’s behalf? Pakistan must be prepared for both contingencies.

Islamabad must presume that in the course of its past (ill-considered) ‘cooperation’ with the US to enhance the ‘safety and security’ of Pakistan’s nuclear assets, the US has gained considerable intelligence about Pakistan’s strategic assets. However, Pakistani officials correctly discount America’s ability to seize Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. These are too many, and too widely dispersed and well protected, thus not amenable to any seizure or strike. But nuclear delivery systems are more difficult to hide and protect.

In a crisis, it is the delivery systems that will be the prime target of a pre-emptive strike. These are most likely to be detected when, in a crisis, they are being ‘mated’ with the separately stored warheads. Furthermore, as revealed during the current Korean drama, missile launches can be sabotaged by cyberattacks and other technical means.

In the emerging strategic scenario, nuclear deterrence is Pakistan’s ultimate assurance against external aggression and coercion.

Pakistan needs to take several measures so that the credibility of its nuclear deterrence is assured. One, the massive deployment of artillery and short-range missiles (à la North Korea) as the first line of conventional deterrence and defence against an Indian Cold Start attack. This would deter Indian attack and also raise the nuclear threshold. Two, the multiplication of long-, medium- and short-range nuclear-capable missiles to ensure the penetration of any ballistic missile defence systems that India deploys. Three, the continued production of fissile materials to provide warheads for the enlarged missile force.

Then, there is the need to ‘mate’ at least some warheads with delivery vehicles, their dispersal and disguise, or protection in hardened silos, to respond to a pre-emptive strike. Eventually, submarine-launched ballistic missiles could provide an assured second-strike capability. Five, the deployment of effective air defence systems plus a limited number of advanced (and expensive) anti-ballistic missile systems to protect command and control centres. Six, the development of offensive and defensive cyber-warfare capabilities.

Following this, Pakistan needs the acquisition and deployment of early-warning capabilities — satellites, surveillance aircraft and drones. In the meantime, Pakistan should utilise Chinese early warning capabilities. Lastly, greater integration and inter-operability with Chinese land, air and naval forces to enhance conventional and strategic deterrence, quickly and cheaply.

Once Pakistan can demonstrate the complete credibility of its nuclear deterrence posture, its offers to negotiate peace and security in South Asia and to resolve the Kashmir dispute may evoke a more positive response from both India and the US. Pakistan will then also be able to pursue its socioeconomic objectives free from the threats of external coercion, intervention and aggression.

 

[Kyubi]

The nuclear dimension

Even if Pakistan and the US are able to reconcile their divergent positions on Afghanistan, the emerging strategic alignments that will shape policies in Asia are unlikely to change. The US has chosen India as its major strategic partner in Asia to counter the rising power of China. The resulting escalation in the Indian threat to Pakistan’s security is either irrelevant for the US or part of its strategic plan to weaken Pakistan’s opposition to Indo-US regional domination. The recent visit of the US defence secretary to India has confirmed and reinforced their strategic alliance and intention to collaborate in Afghanistan.

Pakistan’s ability to resist Indian diktat and to disagree with America’s strategic design flows from one principal source: its nuclear and missile capabilities. Without this, Pakistan would have been attacked like Iraq or sanctioned like Iran. On the other hand, North Korea, despite its isolation, has been able to thumb its nose at America because of its demonstrated nuclear and missile prowess.

An Islamic nuclear power was always anathema for America and much of the Western world. The US worked ceaselessly — even when Pakistan was a close ally — to retard and reverse its nuclear and missile programmes. This endeavour has intensified since the emergence of the American alliance with India. Apart from the discriminatory technological and political restrictions it has long imposed against Pakistan’s strategic programmes, the US now demands that Pakistan unilaterally halt fissile material production and the development and deployment of short- and long-range nuclear-capable missiles. Meanwhile, it is actively assisting India in enlarging and modernising its nuclear arsenal, its missile and anti-ballistic missile capabilities, its air and naval forces, as well as satellite and space capabilities.

There are credible and not-so-secret reports that the US has formulated plans to seize or destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons in a crisis. American think tanks have concocted scenarios of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists or, even more absurdly, of the Pakistan Army turning into an ‘extremist’ or ‘jihadi’ force. Indeed, such scary scenarios could be engineered as an excuse to execute the ‘seize or destroy’ plans.

Matters are more likely to come to a head in the event of another war between Pakistan and India. Kashmir is an ongoing dispute and a nuclear flashpoint. Every India-Pakistan war game confirms the likelihood of a rapid escalation of a conflict to the nuclear level due to the asymmetry in conventional forces. A war should thus be unthinkable. Yet, India’s political and military leaders continue to speak of ‘surgical strikes’ and a ‘limited’ war against Pakistan. If India does ever decide to go to war with Pakistan, it would have to first conduct a pre-emptive strike to eliminate Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence capabilities. Or, would the US be prepared to do so on India’s behalf? Pakistan must be prepared for both contingencies.

Islamabad must presume that in the course of its past (ill-considered) ‘cooperation’ with the US to enhance the ‘safety and security’ of Pakistan’s nuclear assets, the US has gained considerable intelligence about Pakistan’s strategic assets. However, Pakistani officials correctly discount America’s ability to seize Pakistan’s nuclear weapons. These are too many, and too widely dispersed and well protected, thus not amenable to any seizure or strike. But nuclear delivery systems are more difficult to hide and protect.

In a crisis, it is the delivery systems that will be the prime target of a pre-emptive strike. These are most likely to be detected when, in a crisis, they are being ‘mated’ with the separately stored warheads. Furthermore, as revealed during the current Korean drama, missile launches can be sabotaged by cyberattacks and other technical means.

In the emerging strategic scenario, nuclear deterrence is Pakistan’s ultimate assurance against external aggression and coercion.

Pakistan needs to take several measures so that the credibility of its nuclear deterrence is assured. One, the massive deployment of artillery and short-range missiles (à la North Korea) as the first line of conventional deterrence and defence against an Indian Cold Start attack. This would deter Indian attack and also raise the nuclear threshold. Two, the multiplication of long-, medium- and short-range nuclear-capable missiles to ensure the penetration of any ballistic missile defence systems that India deploys. Three, the continued production of fissile materials to provide warheads for the enlarged missile force.

Then, there is the need to ‘mate’ at least some warheads with delivery vehicles, their dispersal and disguise, or protection in hardened silos, to respond to a pre-emptive strike. Eventually, submarine-launched ballistic missiles could provide an assured second-strike capability. Five, the deployment of effective air defence systems plus a limited number of advanced (and expensive) anti-ballistic missile systems to protect command and control centres. Six, the development of offensive and defensive cyber-warfare capabilities.

Following this, Pakistan needs the acquisition and deployment of early-warning capabilities — satellites, surveillance aircraft and drones. In the meantime, Pakistan should utilise Chinese early warning capabilities. Lastly, greater integration and inter-operability with Chinese land, air and naval forces to enhance conventional and strategic deterrence, quickly and cheaply.

Once Pakistan can demonstrate the complete credibility of its nuclear deterrence posture, its offers to negotiate peace and security in South Asia and to resolve the Kashmir dispute may evoke a more positive response from both India and the US. Pakistan will then also be able to pursue its socioeconomic objectives free from the threats of external coercion, intervention and aggression.

What a banana republic this Pakistan is, instead of focussing on alleviating its poverty, unemployment . its choosing force posturing. I can clearly understand their current status quo and what it entails for the country's future. but still all i get to read from so called Defence journo's and think tank guys is the need to develop their military might. They could as well concentrate on improving rule of law, Terrorists taking their propaganda into the mainstream politics and rendering their constitution toothless.. i can only pity their awam who feel more secure under rule of GUN rather than a democratically elected person.

 

[SELVAM]

What a banana republic this Pakistan is, instead of focussing on alleviating its poverty, unemployment . its choosing force posturing. I can clearly understand their current status quo and what it entails for the country's future. but still all i get to read from so called Defence journo's and think tank guys is the need to develop their military might. They could as well concentrate on improving rule of law, Terrorists taking their propaganda into the mainstream politics and rendering their constitution toothless.. i can only pity their awam who feel more secure under rule of GUN rather than a democratically elected person.

This can be applied to our country as well

 

[Kyubi]

This can be applied to our country as well

Yes i was half expecting some kind gentleman to revert back with above statment. Yes it can be done, it is being done, But the comparision rests their .
FYI, This country has not had a history of using a large swath of land and lay its people to waste with little to no development , incubate blood thirsty fighers brainwashed into doing just one thing that is KILL, Rape and maim anyone that is against the tenets of cult.

The above example is enough to rest claims of similarity in living conditions on either side of the INDUS Valley.

 

[Butter Chicken]

We learned nothing from the fall of Dhaka, says Nawaz
(Nawaz giving more hints about imminent breakup up Pakistan.One of Ganja's aides also said that Pakistan will be next Syria,Iraq or Libya)

Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PMLN) president Nawaz Sharif today warned the nation saying we learned nothing from the fall of Dhaka which led to Pakistan regressing behind all independent countries around us.

He was addressing party’s General Council meeting at Convention Center in Islamabad.

"Those who violated constitutional oath remained sadiq and ameen," ousted PM Nawaz deplored.

"The people will decide through their vote [in general elections of 2018] who is qualified and who is unqualified," he said.

While paying tribute to lawmakers who passed Electoral Reforms Bill 2017, Sharif said that he is giving this black law back to former military ruler General (r) Pervez Musharraf today who introduced it to curtail his entrance in politics.

“I served nation cordially”, he said while adding that, “I was ousted merely on basis of Iqama as no wrongdoing was found in Panamagate”.

Nawaz stated that he was ousted over not receiving salary from his son.

He apprised attendants that 12 questions posed during lawyers’ convention in Lahore remained unanswered.

He said no action committed during dictatorial rule was taken notice of under Article 184 (3) of the constitution. The petitions for Sharif s disqualification were heard under Article 184(3).


"I ask, is ehtasaab [accountability] for Nawaz Sharif only?" questioned Nawaz.

 

[Butter Chicken]

From the days of Pakistani jihad incorporated

Growing up in the Jihadist Pakistan of the late 1980s and 1990s had certain advantages that ignorance bestowed upon its adherents. Youth — myself included — carried a very simple worldview that had a promise of an ultimate victory for (Pakistani) Muslims, and a crushing defeat for the non-Muslim world. A large chunk of my generation, and that too coming from lower middle and poor social economic strata, felt extremely charged and motivated to go out, wage Jihad, kill and be killed. Aggression and death were romanticised by whatever form of the publicity was available those days with PTV in the lead.

I clearly recall that Jamaat-e-Islami and other Jihadist organisations would bring Mujahideen from Afghanistan to my little hometown, Malakwal, to motivate the local youth, and probably also as part of a larger narrative building in favor of the State that fought in Afghanistan. Once the Afghan Jihad was ending, the Kashmir Jihad started, and the Jihad Incorporated started bringing to Malakwal Kashmiri Mujahideen. These Mujahideen would address throngs of locals at the erstwhile Railway Chowk, later renamed as Milad Chowk when Gen Zia started his synthetic Islamisation.

I also remember writing to Jamaat-e-Islami in early 1990s along with my paternal cousin Danial to recruit us and take us to Bosnia. We, as youth, wanted to die in glory of the battle, and what better way could be to heavens than dying in the name of Allah in a foreign battlefield where Muslims were persecuted, brutalised and killed? I and Danial were not alone who fell victim to an extremely unhealthy national narrative of militancy that eventually drove Pakistan to where it is now.

A relief that neither I nor Danial went to fight anywhere and survived to live our lives today — but many did. Some returned, some didn’t. The ones who didn’t would have their names written on shabby metallic boards alongside the potholed roads, mostly in the countryside of Punjab where their mothers mourned, fathers wept silently, sisters longed for brothers, and wives stared with empty eyes unsure of their future. As it all happened to poor and lower middle-class families in Pakistan, the official and religious leaders of the Jihad Incorporated had their sons becoming bankers, doctors, actuarialsts, industrialists, stock brokers, and computer engineers. These sons and daughters of the official and religious leaders greatly benefitted from the economy of a falsified Jihad. Ironically, they now make quite a fair part of the ruling elite and lecture lesser human beings about Pakistan.

 

[sorcerer]

US slams Pakistan says, ‘ISI has connections with terrorist groups’

Washington: The United States on Wednesday slammed terror sponsor state Pakistan as US General Joseph Dunford said, Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI has connections with terrorist groups and runs its own foreign policy.

Pakistan has denied the US’ allegations, which could possibly be the strongest indictment of the support that the Pakistan’s spy agency provides to terrorist groups.

http://www.newsmobile.in/articles/2...kistan-says-isi-connections-terrorist-groups/


Pakistan denies allegations of supporting armed groups
In response to US general's comments, the Pakistani army rejects notion it backs groups such as the Afghan Taliban.'
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...m=1&client=ubuntu&hl=en&gl=in&strip=1&vwsrc=0


Pakistan army admits ISI has links with militants, says not the same as support

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/pakistan-army-isi-links-militants-asif-ghafoor/1/1062806.html

 

[sorcerer]

We will not allow US Boots on Pakistani Soil - Pak Army
Contradicting Pakistan Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif of allowing US boots on the Pakistani soil, the Pak Army has categorically declined the proposal saying, "Whatever has to be done on its land is done by Pakistan itself."

Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif, had recently said in Washington, that Islamabad has offered the 'US in-sync' operations against the Haqqani network.
Asif gave this statement to clear the air that Trump administration should not suspect Pakistan's fight against terrorists.

"We have offered American authorities to visit Pakistan with evidence of Haqqani network's safe havens in the country. If they find any activity [of Haqqanis] in the targeted areas, our troops along with the US would destroy them once and for all," Asif had said.

The Pakistan army has declined the offer made by Asif of allowing US boots on the Pakistani soil for conducting joint military operations against the Haqqani network and said, "there was no concept of 'joint operations' with US on the Pakistani soil."

"Whatever has to be done by Pakistan on its land is done by Pakistan itself. Many countries could not face terrorism. Our forces have full capacity. We can never allow any foreign boot on our ground", the Express Tribune quoted Inter-Services Public Relations Director General Major General Asif Ghafoor as saying.

"This has been our stance from day one that the Pak-US common objective of eliminating terrorism can only be achieved through intelligence-sharing and cooperation between the security forces of both the countries," the DG ISPR said.

Ghafoor has credited intelligence sharing of the US for the safe recovery of the kidnapped Canadian-American family in a "coordinated operation", clarifying the nature of the teamwork involved in ensuring their safe recovery.

US and Afghan officials have accused Pakistan of sheltering the Haqqani network - the deadliest of all the Afghan Taliban factions.

Ghafoor insisted that the world should realize that the security situation in Pakistan has changed. "The situation in Pakistan has changed as post Zarb-e-Azb, Radd-ul-Fasaad is also going on so we don't have any terrorist-organised sanctuaries anymore."

The DG ISPR said the government and security forces have maintained a clear stance in recent meetings with the US delegation led by Lisa Curtis, deputy assistant to the president and National Security Council senior director for South Asia.

"We have told the Americans that Pakistan has done enough and further cooperation and engagement will take our efforts towards endurance and stability

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...soil-out-of-question-army-117101300621_1.html






Man!!! this is USA, they always get what they want. chinese money wont save paki ass here.

 

[Nicky G]

Why do we give visas to these cockroaches? Let these scum die in their shit-hole.

 

[sorcerer]

Why do we give visas to these cockroaches? Let these scum die in their shit-hole.

Its all in the game
The grand game of Kashmir

 

[Nicky G]

Its all in the game
The grand game of Kashmir

You expect to win over these scum?

 

[sorcerer]

You expect to win over these scum?

Not them.
India has to maintain its peaceful "intentions" for the larger world view.
Did you miss the intense debates in pak media about HOW pakistanis has to go to INdia to get treated and their administration is doing nothing for them.
Its kinda like a personal out reach, not to win over but for a larger stake in the game

Why win over when we are going to slice them into manageable chunks.,

 

[Wisemarko]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alja...entenced-death-blasphemy-171012081709423.html

This is what the world needs to know: human rights violation and terrorism are legally sanctioned in Pakistan

 

[Butter Chicken]

Caitlan Coleman breaks silence on captivity, says 'was in Pakistan for more than a year'

(More egg on face of ISPR )

Disputing claims about her rescue, the recently recovered Caitlan Coleman has said that she was in Pakistan for at least a year before she was "rescued" by Pakistan Army in an operation near the Pak-Afghan border earlier this month.

While speaking to the Toronto Star in her first interview since her recovery, Coleman said: "Right now, everybody’s shunting blame and making claims. Pakistan says no, they were never in Pakistan until the end. The US says, no they were always in Pakistan; it was Pakistan’s responsibility. But neither of those are true."

She also said that she is certain that they were held in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. "We were not crossing into Pakistan that day. We had been in Pakistan for more than a year at that point."

Coleman, an American national, revealed in the interview — published on Monday — that the couple were moved to Pakistan immediately after being kidnapped in Afghanistan.

"They first took us out of Afghanistan; it was several days’ drive," said Coleman, who still wears a hijab after being released. She refused to comment on whether the couple have converted to Islam.

She said that her kidnappers took them to Miramshah in North Waziristan where they were kept for almost a year, adding that they knew where they were because her husband, Joshua Boyle, could understand some Farsi.

"It was very bad. My husband and I were separated at that time. He wasn’t allowed to see Najaeshi or spend any time with us."

Najaeshi Jonah is their oldest son.

"Then we were moved to the north of Miramshah, to the house of a man who said he was called Mahmoud. He was very nice to Najaeshi and would provide us with amenities [that] we wouldn’t have otherwise," she told the Toronto Star. "He would take Najaeshi out to get him sunlight and nobody else did that at any other point."

She does not exactly remember the events around her rescue but does recall a gun battle while she was in the trunk of a car.

"Our first fear — why we were not poking our heads up and yelling for help — was that it was another gang trying to kidnap us. Possibly just part of the Haqqani network fighting with another part. They’re all just bandits," she said about her rescue.

"You’re a prisoner for so long, you’re so suspicious. I was still thinking we don’t know these people, we don’t know where they’re taking us."

Of her reaction on realising it was the Pakistani forces and not another group of captors, she said: "I think I was mostly just in shock."

While revealing details of the rescue, Pakistan Army had said that the family had been moved from Afghanistan into Pakistan the day the operation took place, not earlier.

'Captors killed child because Joshua refused to join them'
Backing her husband's earlier claims of Coleman being raped in captivity and the forced abortion of their child, she said that the assault on her happened because they wanted the couple to stop contacting people who were not their guards or captors.

The Taliban had refuted the claims, saying that the child had died naturally and that the woman had not been raped in captivity.

They named their unborn child "Martyr", she said, who was killed because the captors were angry at Boyle for not joining them.

They killed the child using using high amounts of estrogen in their food and boasted of what they had done, she told the daily.

Her next two pregnancies were kept secret and the babies were delivered by Boyle using a flashlight.

"We had a pen they didn’t know about and we were taking little scraps of paper and trying to hand out notes to anyone and everyone that wasn’t one of the guards or commanders involved in killing Martyr," she said regarding the alleged assault against her.

"But then they took us, separated us, and beat us and that was when the assault on me happened because they wanted us to stop."

Naming houses in Afghanistan, Pakistan
The couple and their children were frequently moved between Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Coleman. They were usually drugged and kept in the trunk whenever they were moved, she said.

From their house north of Miramshah, they were then taken to Spin Ghar in Afghanistan. Coleman also shared lighter moments they had in captivity, including naming the places they were kept in.

They called one "Cat Hotel" because it looked like a hotel to them. She claimed they could see the Pak-Afghan border from there. The kidnappers acquired a Pakistani-styled "jingle truck" from there, told Coleman, and moved them to an area between Kohat and Bannu.

Their last "home" was named "Dar Al Musa", she said.

"Outside everyday they were doing some training or something was going on, and some guy was shouting and we laughed because whoever Musa was, he was not doing a good job," she said.

"He was always yelling, 'No, no, no, Musa Musa.'"

They were there since November 2016, she said, and were then transferred to the "Mud House" just two days before their recovery.

Speaking on the couple's decision to have two children in captivity, she said that, among other things, she wanted a large family and they did not know when they would be released.

"It was a decision we made. We did think about it [...] it’s difficult to explain all the reasons, but, for me, a large part was the fact that it has always been important to me to have a large family," she said.

"This took our life away from us — this captivity with no end in sight. And so I felt that it was our best choice at that time. We didn’t know if we would have that opportunity when we came back. We didn’t know how long it would be. It was already unprecedented, so we couldn’t say, 'Oh, we’ll only be here a year or six months.'"