Pakistan's grand march

[nitesh]

Alright, so, Pakistan is the whore. US is its pimp. The other pimp is China. But US is also the thanedar and China is the wannabe thanedar. But India, the poor hard working baniya. With a whore being in the neighborhood, India's business is being spoiled. Further, the whore has a bro(LeT, JuM..etc) and they frequently disrupt Indian baniya's house. When the baniya goes and complains to US thanedar, the thanedar does nothing because its his whore's brother. Now, what should the baniya do? If he does nothing, whore's bro will get emboldened and start inflicting more damage.

Exactly the baniya does nothing and whore goes closer to $hit pot and thanedar has to pay more to keep it floating. Mean while baniya gets his house together and marches ahead

 

[Singh]

Lets get a few facts correct

Nuclear Deal:
India has got a permanent waiver from NSG. China is helping Pak get this "1-time" waiver for 2 civilian nuclear reactors.

Pakistan has in the past proliferated nuclear tech to Middle East/West Asia/Arab World, which is not a problem area for us but it is for the West. We have to wait and watch how the things go as our say in this whole matter is limited, if we create a raucous it will backfire, if we keep silent it will show us in a poor light. It is time that we show our statesmanship not petty-ship.

US:
US needs Pakistan establishment to be onboard so that it can swiftly, and if possible graciously, exist the cesspool that is Afghanistan. Milking US for military goodies and a few billion per year and at the same time destabilizing your country and the neighbours and permanently putting the brakes on your economy is not a smart thing.


Iran:
We have financed the Chahabahar port in Iran, building highways linking Iran with Astan, also financing/building railways connecting Iran with CAR/Russia, upgrading their military, training their officers and investing in Iranian gas fields and companies.

In our engagement with Iran we have realised that Iranians are fickle and therefore we chose to go with Qatar(and US) instead. However, our diplomatic relations with Iran are still good.

Pakistan - Iran on the other hand have always seen each other suspiciously (state sponsored anti-Shia pogroms, Balochistan, Afghanistan; Zardari being a Shia probably has had something to do with this). In any case the Iran-Pakistan deal is not a financially sound deal. And to make matters worst Iran is currently a pariah state and Pakistan will be paying Iran with money received as aid from US.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Lets get a few facts correct

Nuclear Deal:
India has got a permanent waiver from NSG. China is helping Pak get this "1-time" waiver for 2 civilian nuclear reactors.

Fuel exports for current reactors and planned reactors (Such as the Chashma ones) would be covered under the reactor agreement from China.

NSG approval would only be necessary if Pakistan wanted to import fuel from any of the current NSG members who did not agree with the Sino-Pak position that the export of the reactors was legitimate & remember Pakistan offered global nuclear fuel services & you were all thinking that Pakistan is joking

Pakistan has in the past proliferated nuclear tech to Middle East/West Asia/Arab World, which is not a problem area for us but it is for the West. We have to wait and watch how the things go as our say in this whole matter is limited, if we create a raucous it will backfire, if we keep silent it will show us in a poor light. It is time that we show our statesmanship not petty-ship.

the proliferation record of Pakistan is outta light now, Pakistan was there in Nuclear Security Summit & US on record said that past is past, time to move on & they were ready to make exceptions because their legitimate concern was/is IRAN, Indians can scream as much as they can about 'proliferation' that ain't making any difference

US:
US needs Pakistan establishment to be onboard so that it can swiftly, and if possible graciously, exist the cesspool that is Afghanistan. Milking US for military goodies and a few billion per year and at the same time destabilizing your country and the neighbours and permanently putting the brakes on your economy is not a smart thing.

US is in a mess in Afgh, no one can deny that, the problem of Islamists is mutual, the only difference is that Pak is good at extracting benefits, though at certain points they messed up big time

Iran:
We have financed the Chahabahar port in Iran, building highways linking Iran with Astan, also financing/building railways connecting Iran with CAR/Russia, upgrading their military, training their officers and investing in Iranian gas fields and companies.

Iranians are that fools that they will shun a multi billion Dollar deal with Pakistan just because Indians are investing, haaa

Pakistan - Iran on the other hand have always seen each other suspiciously (state sponsored anti-Shia pogroms, Balochistan, Afghanistan; Zardari being a Shia probably has had something to do with this). In any case the Iran-Pakistan deal is not a financially sound deal. And to make matters worst Iran is currently a pariah state and Pakistan will be paying Iran with money received as aid from US.

ohh my gawd, now thats conspiracy theory, Zardari been Shia has got something to do, ohhh, will you explain that crap?

Remember that Rigi just got executed & who caught 'em? You have a bad memory

& Again Iranians are such fools that they would not have thought about the 'financial part' of a 7 billion dollar deal, Singh are you all right these days?

 

[Singh]

Fuel exports for current reactors and planned reactors (Such as the Chashma ones) would be covered under the reactor agreement from China.

NSG approval would only be necessary if Pakistan wanted to import fuel from any of the current NSG members who did not agree with the Sino-Pak position that the export of the reactors was legitimate & remember Pakistan offered global nuclear fuel services & you were all thinking that Pakistan is joking

NSG approval is required for these 2 reactors because China is now a part of NSG and NSG explicitly bans sales to non NPT countries. For the earlier 2 reactors it was not required because it was not a part of NSG back then.

the proliferation record of Pakistan is outta light now, Pakistan was there in Nuclear Security Summit & US on record said that past is past, time to move on & they were ready to make exceptions because their legitimate concern was/is IRAN, Indians can scream as much as they can about 'proliferation' that ain't making any difference

US also said that they respect Pakistan's sovereignty and then bomb you with drones. And if the past is past why is US not getting you a permanent waiver ?

India is not a part of NSG, our role is limited; its the US led West which will decide the final outcome in this face off with China.

US is in a mess in Afgh, no one can deny that, the problem of Islamists is mutual, the only difference is that Pak is good at extracting benefits, though at certain points they messed up big time

I have noticed that a beggar with no arms and legs invariably gets a lot of money.

Iranians are that fools that they will shun a multi billion Dollar deal with Pakistan just because Indians are investing, haaa

ohh my gawd, now thats conspiracy theory, Zardari been Shia has got something to do, ohhh, will you explain that crap?
Remember that Rigi just got executed & who caught 'em? You have a bad memory

& Again Iranians are such fools that they would not have thought about the 'financial part' of a 7 billion dollar deal, Singh are you all right these days?

I suggest you control your emotions and read before spewing !

Who said Iranians are fools ?

Did you not read this part ?
"In our engagement with Iran we have realised that Iranians are fickle and therefore we chose to go with Qatar(and US) instead. However, our diplomatic relations with Iran are still good."

And by financially sound I mean this.

1. Pipelines cost money to build. If the West is opposed to the deal who will finance Pakistan ?
2. This gas is very expensive, how will Pakistan pay money for it ?
3. US is trying to isolate Iran. Does it make sense for Pak to engage Iran ?
4. Iran has not guaranteed supplies. What will Pakistan do in case Iran shuts off supplies ?
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In any case if Holbrooke's statement in Pak is anything to go byUS is going to ensure this deal is not going through. Too bad for Iran.