Pakistan will likely use US weapons against Baloch insurgents, India

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    Pakistan will likely use US weapons against Baloch insurgents, India: Haqqani


    Husain Haqqani, who has been living under self-imposed exiled in the US since 2012, believes the US government is committing a mistake by selling weapons to Pakistan as they will be used to “fight or menace” India.

    In a scathing piece in the Wall Street Journal, the former ambassador to the US (2008-11) questioned the Obama administration’s recent decision to sell almost $1 billion in US-made attack helicopters, missiles to Pakistan. Interestingly, the headline of the article reads “Why are We Sending This Attack Helicopter to Pakistan?” Last time we checked, Haqqani was still a Pakistani citizen but things may have changed since then.


    Haqqani felt the weapons sale will fuel conflict in South Asia without fulfilling the objective of helping Pakistan fight terrorism. “Pakistan’s failure to tackle its jihadist challenge is not the result of a lack of arms but reflects an absence of will,” wrote Haqqani, arguing that the arms race with India remains to be the dominant force in Pakistan’s foreign and domestic policies.

    The former ambassador has been residing in the US since 2012 after being accused of sending a memo to US Defense Department that asked for help in reining in the Pakistan military. “The US has fed Pakistan’s delusion of being India’s regional military equal. Seeking security against a much larger neighbor is a rational objective but seeking parity with it on a constant basis is not,” wrote Haqqani.


    He believed that US officials should convince Pakistan to give up its hopes of attempting to rival a country with a population six times as large and economy 10 times as big.

    “It’s a mystery why the president suddenly trusts Pakistan’s military—after mistrusting it at the time of the Navy SEAL operation in May 2011 that found and killed Osama bin Laden living safely until then in the Pakistani garrison town of Abbottabad,” Haqqani wrote, while wondering if the US government is just simply lazy in its approach with Pakistan. “Selling helicopters and missiles is easier than thinking of alternative strategies to compel an errant ally to change its behavior.”

    The former ambassador believes the equipment to be provided by the US – 15 AH-1Z Viper helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire missiles – will be used against insurgents in Balochistan, bordering Iran, and along the disputed border in Kashmir rather than against militants in tribal areas.


    “If the Obama administration believes Pakistan’s military has really changed its priorities, it should consider leasing helicopters to Pakistan and verify where they are deployed before going through with outright sales,” the ambassador suggests.

    Pakistan will likely use US weapons against Baloch insurgents, India: Haqqani - The Express Tribune


    Is the US so innocent that it doesn't know where these arms end up getting used? If India is really willing to now pull punches it must get the US to stop aiding terrorism against India.
     
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    Re: Pakistan will likely use US weapons against Baloch insurgents, Ind

    Isn't it strange no matter what Pakistan does they always get rewarded?
    Is it a failure of indian diplomacy and policy or is Pakistan doing something better?
    I have not seen indian diplomacy ever stop anything related to terror. Until india
    Realizes brute force is the only solution diplomacy is a waste of time nothing will
    Change.
     
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    US is also paying Pakis to kill US soldiers.

    Poor US is caught in it's own web.
     
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    Obama is a total failure in foreign policy matters (also domestic)
     
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    This is a world of blackmail and Pakistan has mastered the art of blackmail. China is also buying its way out of trouble with pak sponsored fundamentalists . India with its goody goody image and having gone nuclear so long ago is still being attacked. If India had done an Israel, nobody would have the guts to look India in the eye.

     
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    @Rashna

    After fighting four wars and claiming to win . A nation of 1.2 billion crying about losing its territory(pok)
    And terrorism gets very little to no respect in a world which only respects strength.
    Soft power policy should have been discarded long ago.
     
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    China's control and management of Gwadar will face serious security challenges from baloch nationalists. They have announced that they oppose it.


    ‘The road to Gwadar passes through Balochistan’
    Raza Wazir TFT Issue: 13 Mar 2015
    Raza Wazir speaks to veteran Baloch nationalist Mir Muhammad Ali Talpur about his reservations on the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor



    ‘The road to Gwadar passes through Balochistan’



    Why do you oppose the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor? It’s a huge project that will certainly benefit Pakistan.

    What is in Pakistan’s interest is not necessarily in the interest of Balochistan. If you want to pass through Balochistan, use its coast and extract its minerals, the Baloch people are the main stakeholders. Their interest should come first.

    There is already some resentment among the Baloch, especially in the dealings with the Chinese. How they sidelined the Baloch people in Sandak is an indication of what will happen. According to Fazle Haider (a well known journalist) there will be no copper, gold or silver left when the Chinese will leave. They have extended their lease until 2017.

    My point is that we should keep in mind the interest of Balochistan. The wishes of the local people should be held supreme. China is not coming to Balochistan to help the Baloch people, but because of its own interests.

    But won’t there be a lot of new jobs for the Baloch people if the Gwadar port is developed and the economic zones along the route become operational?

    I’m sure you have heard that story – a poor man found a magic lamp; he told the genie to make him a large palace, then put some rich people in it, and then asked to be made the security guard of the palace.

    The Baloch do not want to be security guards of someone else’s palace. Dr Abdul Malik Baloch (the chief minister of Balochistan) may get us some meager jobs. But there is a saying that freedom in poverty is better than prosperous slavery.

    This is not an issue of jobs. The Baloch say it is our land. It was ours when it was desolate. Now that they have discovered gold, silver and copper, it is ours.

    There will be no copper, gold or silver left when the Chinese will leave
    And what do the Baloch people say about the recent debate over the route of the project?

    It is not about the route. We have apprehensions about the entire project. We have apprehensions about the future of Gwadar, from where the route will emerge. We have apprehensions regardless of whether the road passes through Larkana and Ratodhero, or Zhob or Dera Ismail Khan. The road to Gwadar will pass through Balochistan, and so the interests of Balochistan are at stake.

    The elected government of Balochistan has agreed to the project. Does that not mean the consent of the Baloch people?

    In my view, it is an exaggeration to say that the current Balochistan government is representative of the will of the people of the province. If you go to the website of the Election Commission of Pakistan, you will see that the Dr Malik received a little more than 4,000 votes. The turnout in his constituency was only 17 percent. Deputy Speaker Quddus Bizenjo got 544 votes. Nadra and the Election Commission have accepted that 65 percent of the votes cast in the 2013 elections in Balochistan were bogus. Now you tell me who voted for them, and who do they represent? They are only a civilian face that gives legitimacy to the FC-run administration.

    Are you saying there is no way to resolve this issue politically?

    A political struggle works when you are dealing with politicians. When have they used political means to settle the dispute in Balochistan? We have been facing military might right since 27th March 1948.

    What kind of political settlement did they reach with Sheikh Mujibur Rehman and the Bengalis? What options were the Baloch left with?

    There is an impression in Punjab that when it comes to the prosperity of Pakistan, the smaller provinces become a hurdle.

    I think the people who write and say such things are not aware of the ground realities. They do not understand the Baloch people’s sentiments. If the prosperity of Pakistan is essential, so are the sentiments of the people who live there. We are not against prosperity. We are against exploitation. We want our rights. Development will follow.
    ‘The road to Gwadar passes through Balochistan’ ‹ The Friday Times
     
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    Re: Pakistan will likely use US weapons against Baloch insurgents, Ind

    I think that we have wasted too much time in diplomacy and achieved zilch. Might is right in today's world. And with pakistan becoming the 27th state of China we are only going to face more hurdles in the coming days.


     
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    the helicopters provided by USA would there be intellectual property rights issues ... sharing and being seen by others (especially performance and use)

    the americans think things through well thats what i have come to realize ... and it might be done on purpose with ulterior motives ... and also perhaps to get india to buy more stuff from them
     
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    Most usa Pakistan deals are not completed . The f-16 deal Reagan
    gave Pakistan is still not completed.
    Never received anywhere close to numbers promised.
    Harpoon missile same story. Nothing free in the world.
     
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    Bid to attack Pasni radar system
    Published about 2 hours ago

    QUETTA: Suspected militants attacked the air traffic control radar in Pasni area of the Gwadar district late on Monday night.

    Official sources said a group of militants reached the site of the air traffic control and attacked the radar system with rockets. How-ever, personnel of the Air-port Security Force guarding the radar station immediately took position and returned fire. Heavy exchange of fire continued for some time.

    “The radar is safe,” Qazi Maqbool, general manger of the Civil Aviation Authority, South, told Dawn, adding that the radar had been temporarily switched off after the attack.

    “No casualty was reported,” the sources said.

    The air traffic was affected because of the radar’s closure.

    Bid to attack Pasni radar system - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
     
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    Is this something that should bother India? I mean if the USA didn't sell the equipment, wouldn't Pakistan just get a Chinese or Russian alternative? I don't see the helicopters being very useful in fighting India as the Indian army would easily swat them out of the sky. The Hellfire missiles are nice. though. But is this really a concern or issue in any way, considering they will just buy some where else? Or is it more of a slippery-slope concern, with the worry being what will the USA sell them next time?
     
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    There is no doubt that these guys always aim their guns towards India.
     

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