Pakistan wants to join Nuclear Suppliers Group

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Pakistan wants to join Nuclear Suppliers Group – The Express Tribune

    ISLAMABAD:

    Pakistan has offered to join four nuclear export control regimes, including the Nuclear Suppliers Group, if the international community recognises it as a nuclear weapons state, but remains unwilling to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

    At a meeting in Islamabad on Thursday, the country’s top political and military leadership said Pakistan wished to be part of global non-proliferation efforts but only if it was accepted as a nuclear weapons state.

    “The National Command Authority reiterated Pakistan’s desire to constructively contribute to the realisation of a world free of nuclear weapons and to the goals of non-proliferation on the basis of equality and partnership with the international community,” said a statement issued after the meeting.

    Chaired by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, the meeting was attended by all services chiefs and the head of the Strategic Plans Division (SPD), an institution that manages the nuclear infrastructure and deals with its safety.
    The vaguely-drafted statement by the prime minister’s office said Pakistan was “keen to join four export control arrangements” without giving any specific details.

    Foreign Office spokeswoman Tehmina Janjua later told The Express Tribune that Pakistan was willing to join four ‘technology cartels’ that control the international trade of nuclear and missile technologies: the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR), the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), the Australia and the Wassenaar groups.
    The MTCR and the NSG deal with the international trade of missile and nuclear technologies while the Australia and the Wassenaar groups manage trade in conventional small weapons and various materials used in the manufacturing of arms respectively.

    Janjua said Pakistan’s ‘principled’ position on Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT) was the same. About NPT, she added that Islamabad considered it as a ‘discriminatory’ arrangement and will not sign the CTBT unless the United States and India do the same.
    Power generation

    As part of the energy security strategy, the NCA reviewed and approved the Nuclear Power Programme 2050, a plan to use nuclear energy to meet the existing electricity shortfalls and to respond to the future requirements of a growing population and economy.

    The NCA also approved the Space Programme 2040, the statement added, though it did not specify any further details about the programme.

    Nuclear safety

    The meeting appeared to be playing down what it referred to as ‘hyped’ international fears about the safety and security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. However, the prime minister did admit there were ‘concerns’ after a secret American raid inside the country to kill Osama bin Laden and a subsequent militant attack on a Karachi naval facility.
    But Gilani said that ‘campaigns’ of foreign entities casting doubts over the safety of the country’s nuclear arsenal would never stop Pakistan from seeking a minimum deterrence and pursuing a strategic programme.
    According to the statement, the NCA expressed satisfaction at the security and safety of Pakistan’s strategic programmes and facilities. It also expressed confidence in the operational readiness of Pakistan’s strategic weapons.
     
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  3. sanjay

    sanjay Regular Member

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    If nuclear proliferator Pakistan is given an equal footing with India in joining the Nuclear Suppliers Group, then it will mean that India has gained nothing by not proliferating. That means that India should proliferate as well. Pakistan has rampantly proliferated, and therefore granting it the same status as non-proliferator India means that its proliferation activities have been legitimized by sweeping them under the rug.

    Therefore, India's only choice would be to become a proliferator itself, and furthermore it should move to conduct thermonuclear tests.
     
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    China -Pak nuke deal not questioned US- India nuke deal finished. India's NSG waiver thrown out and India's NSG membership status blocked by China.
     
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    A price must be paid for this backstab. We cannot go back to relations as they were before, and pretend nothing has happened.

    It's time to proliferate, and it's time to conduct thermonuclear testing.
     
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    The best revenge would be to announce we have a large indigenous uranium find and no longer need this deal. what a waste of time.
     
  7. sanjay

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    We have always had enough indigenous uranium to support both weapons development and the domestic energy program. It's simply been a lack of will in exploiting the available domestic natural resources.

    There are plenty of places where mining could be done, but the govt doesn't care enough to do so.
     
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    as I understand pakistan has not been included into the NSG. and I'm not sure they will ever be included either.
     
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    There are many closed door jokes in Pakistan. This is one of them.
     
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    If this is granted, thermonuclear tests are the next step followed by supplying of nuclear weapons to Vietnam. If they want to play the conga with us, they will have to pay with dire consequences as well. A country with proven reserves of radicalized terrorists not to mention their indefinite supply, a failed state, a corrupt government and a sinking economy has the audacity to even ask for this; this itself shows what the world thinks of spineless Indian government and its shameless self-destructive weakness.

    Once the Thorium reactor making is successfully tested, we have one of the topmost reserves of Thorium around the world to keep ur power supplies last longer. I am sure there are backchannels through which we can acquire further ENR tech from Russians and possibly French--- if we know how to tweak major defense deals promised converted into geo-political international favors (if you know what I mean). But this bastard UPA government is only interested in hoarding national wealth and doing NOTHING for this country.

    Until this government DIES, nothing of the above sort is possible.

    WTF is going on?

    - NO terrorist country status to Pakistan
    - No sanctions against Pakistan
    - No voice against Pak-China nuclear deal (despite the spread of nuclear weapons by Pakistani scientists and generals)
    - ENR conditions changed for us (despite our excellent track record)
    - Nuclear deal with Japanese in a limbo (and with US by extension)
    - Changed conditions of NSG just for India.

    Time to go for that thermonuclear megaton range testing as well as re-opening the Surya ICBM testing that was on hold to impress UPA's foreign masters. If China can supply nukes to Pakistan, we should supply nukes to Vietnam. After all, it is being bullied by Chinese as well and has full right to defend itself.


    Here's a useful article I am quoting to highlight GOI's slave mentality:

    Time to change all of this: we need to start hunting.
     
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    How we all knew this was coming.
    Next up, all nations except US,Russia,France,UK,China,Pakistan would be asked to disarm for world peace.
    NK and Iran don't count because they don't have "proven" nuclear capabilities.

    If Pakistan gets NSG membership, regardless India gets it or not and the government does not respond by either a long range ICBM or a high yield TN test, I am not voting for UPA all my life, commies maybe, but not UPA.
     
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    I want to be the UN Secretary General. :pound:
     
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    KS Bye bye DFI Veteran Member

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    Lol..Realistically what can India do ? Tell me honestly. The best we can do is NOT talk to them.Other than that unless US thinks so, nothing can be done on this.

    Well we made the noises, but again the Chinis successfully argued that the deal was grand-fathered and hence no body could stop it.

    Well I will wait for some tuime before commenting on this as Russia,France have assured "full" co-operation.

    I hope you know why the deal with US in in limbo and I fully support that. We cannotallow a repeat of Bhopal disaster in India again.

    I have no love lost for UPA, but lets be honest.
     
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    Pakistan does not ned to join that group it is alrwady well within the "Terror Suppliers Group."
     
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    The first para of the report itself is laughable. "Pakistan has offered to join the NSG if it is recognized as NWS!!

    Its like NSG has been pestering it to join and on its knees. So now Pak is "OFFERING" to join IF blah blah.
    Nice joke.
     
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    Whats the relation between the report and in India ICBM or a TN test?

    If India after all its efforts still finds it that difficult to get into NSG, do you think the NSG will accept the "OFFER (he he)" by Pakistan to join?
     
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    All they can get is cheap quality nuclear supply from their chine bro's isn't it:pound::pound::pound::pound:
     
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    What Pakistan needs to understand is that NSG is a group of countries which have the ability to either supply nuclear raw material like Uranium or hi tech nuclear equipments. What is Pakistans capability on both these fronts when the only thing pak can do is follow chinese bomb desings and source material from the blackmarket. What does Pak bring to the table of the NSG?

    Pakistan needs to create another group: NPG.. Nuclear Proliferators Group.
     
  19. LETHALFORCE

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    Next news will be China is giving Pakistan ENR technology.
     
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    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    How do we know they havent already?
     
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    True they have given them everything else.
     

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