Pakistan to Seek Continued U.S. Funds to Combat Terror

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  1. Free Karma

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    Pakistan to Seek Continued U.S. Funds to Combat Terror - Bloomberg

    So are they doing the U.S a favour by combating these militants? Wasnt this supposed to be the flush them out response to the Karachi attack, as Pakistan had had enough?
     
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    No we are dealing with the aftermath of US led WoT and its fallout which has caused in loss of more than 50.000 lives and more than $70 billion in losses to our economy.
     
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    Absolute lie!

    You are suffering because of your own policies and you are lucky that USA-Iran relationship are still at a nadir.

    Without it you wouldn't have had the opportunity to bargain.
     
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    What has been the impact on Pakistan of US lef war according to you.
    Please give a short and objective analysis.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Pakistan is an expert in proxy war.

    By wanting the US money to keep on financing Pakistan, they are undertaking a proxy war since it is funded by a proxy!
     
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    I SEE LIKES OF ISI AND TERRORISTS Smiling, as these funds will go to them instead of paki people.
     
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    You want me to analyze?

    First tell me who told your commando Mushy to tell lie to the awam? USA?

    Who told you get in the Muji business? USA?

    Who told you to no to move out of Afghanistan after USSR withdrew? USA?

    Who told you to radicalize your students? USA?

    Who told you to harbor OBL? USA?

    Who told you to send fighters world over from Pakistan? USA?

    Who told you not to consolidate power in your Tribal areas from 1947 to 1990? USA?

    Who told you to do the bidding of Saudi? USA?

    Answer these please.
     
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    Pakistan from the start is been heavily relying on US funds, Agriculture is the main source of income in Pakistan. Terror affected tourism and some development agendas.
     
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    I asked you to answer objectively and not to shout as an Indian propagandist. What has been the impact on Pakistan after the 2002 Afghan invasion by USA?
     
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    USAid never goes to Pakistani people; it is designed to keep the corrupt politicians happy, budgetary relief and part of it goes to the.military. its not uncommon that US supports her allies. Israel gets ten.times more funds to keep her military forces armed upto teeth. Comoarwd to that, Pakistan.is a minor recipient.

    And terrorists, I.am sure CIA has seperate funds to help the terrorists for her covert and clandestine operations.
     
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    And,I told you to not lie in this forum! Chose a Paki forum to do that. You shall be appreciated there not here.


    It's your bigotry who is at play in Pakistan and not Indian propaganda. Nobody subscribes to your madrassa ( school) of thoughts.

    The analysis by your experts are not worth the paper they are on.

    Your ( country) birth was to become a bulwark against USSR's approach to warm waters and it was your destiny to do what you did in Afghanistan, as you were created for the sole reason and it was your destiny to suffer as you were expendable from the beginning.

    The Iran USA fallout has given you a respite. Be thankful that it happened. As it has kept you in relevant.

    None of your leaders have done anything to change it.

    Karma is a bitch, not just that you were bitten by it, you are now allowing it to lick the bite wound.

    Now, coming to your army, I have not seen any other who has planned any operation so meticulously and fail so miserably.

    The common thing about all of the recent ( not the recent) operations of Paki Army is the absence of exit strategy, evident in Kargil and more so in Afghanistan.

    If I may write in a single line considerate to your cognitive power, Pakistan is a bitch which was breed and raised to be a guard dog, what's the surprise if it catches a thief and get's poked in the eye in doing that? If it were not for the dog, human ( USA,UK) would have been wounded.
    What do you expect next? If it has still some utility left, it will be kept or it has outlived the utility, will be put to sleep.

    Now, you don't have to howl and whine for respect to Karma the bitch.
     
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    So basically you proved that you can not objective when it comes to Pakistan and everythin that goes against your belief or your version of truth is.a lie.
    Well you don't leave much room for a debate then.

    I will be defending Pakistan against all kind of propaganda as long as I am allowed to post here.
    So please keep the tough language to yourself, I am not impressed.

    Pakistan has all the right to look for US support of ANY KIND in.the aftermath of US-Afgjan war, she owes us lot more than $20 billion she has paid sofar.

    As for karma, yes it is a bitch and don't you.forget that. What you are doing in Afghanistan, your own proxy war will backfire in time.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Is Pakistan justified in claiming to be the worst sufferers of Terrorism?

    Dispassionately seen, the claim appears dubious since it is a self inflicted injury.

    1. The Mujahideens, trained by Pakistan, funded by the US and Saudi Arabia and armed by the US and China, was the brainchild of Zia in consultation with Zbigniew Brzezinski (The Unholy War by Cooley). All this is encapsulated in the "Bear Trap" by Brig Yousaf (ISI).Zia's aim was to appear as the champion of Islam, give legitimacy to his illegal regime which he usurped to strangulated yet another attempt of democracy in Pakistan, and also use it to ensure US find flow and in addition to arming the Mujahideens, also arming the Pakistan armed forces and prove to be a staunch US ally in throwing out USSR from Afghanistan.

    2. The raising. funding, supplying and the arming of the Mujahideen was the first error wherein power from the barrel of a gun and being a law unto themselves was infused into a fundamentalist malcontent and illiterate rabble from the terrorist factories of radical Pakistani madrassas.

    3. The havoc and total anarchy that these Mujahideens exhibited was a clear indication of a Frankenstein produced. However, Zia was 'rocking' in his new found iconic grandeur of being a pious and true Muslim. The Mullah fawned on him! Pakistan fell at his feet and there was no dissent. But the US realised that apart from the Mujahideen Frankenstein, Zia was their Frankenstein. So, Zia was vaporised!

    4. But the Mujahideens make merry in their crude medieval mindset and rules and became so ambitious that they will rule the world, having taken on and defeated one superpower, then had a shy at the second, duly encouraged by the fundamentalist elements of Pakistan, who were assiduously building up their organisational strength in Pakistan. 9/11 happened.

    5. In the interim, the Mujahideens transmogrified into the Taliban given the changed scenario and impetus wherein Afghanistan’s civil war in the wake of Soviet troops’ withdrawal in 1989, after a decade-long occupation, left a nation in social and economic shards, 1.5 million dead, millions of refugees and orphans in Iran and Pakistan, and gaping political vacuum. The warlords capitalised this chaos and Afghan mujahideen warlords replaced their war with the Soviets with a civil war.

    6. Thousands of Afghan orphans grew up never knowing Afghanistan or their parents, especially their mothers. They were schooled in Pakistan’s madrassas, religious schools which, in this case, were encouraged and financed by Pakistani and Saudi authorities to develop militantly inclined Islamists. Pakistan nurtured that corps of militants as proxy fighters in Pakistan’s ongoing conflict with over Muslim-dominated (and disputed) Kashmir. But Pakistan consciously intended to use the madrassas’ militants as leverage in its attempt to control Afghanistan as well.

    5. They did not realise that there was another evangelist who was piqued - Bush. He went berserk and declared a War on Terror (WOT). He was so incensed that he did not know whether to attack Afghanistan, which he did and occupied or whether Iraq was more important. This led to the total chaos in US strategic and military aims and pursuits.

    6. Deft Islamic propaganda and disinformation gave grist to the idea that the WOT was actually a War against Islam. The Mujahideen turned Taliban, in their fundamentalist fervour and euphoria found another enemy, and even a better one. Having defeated one superpower, they were cocky and were convinced that they would defeat the second one and prove Islam is über alles.

    7. Pakistan and Musharraf capitalised on this. They started hunting with the hounds and running with the hare. They egged on the Taliban through their old ISI contact but pretended to be going hell for leather in the WOT. That is how the ensure that Uncle Sam bankrolls them in perpetuity.

    8 The roots of the TTP as an organization began in 2002 when the Pakistani military conducted incursions into the tribal areas to originally combat foreign (Afghan, Arab and Central Asian) militants fleeing from the war in Afghanistan into the neighbouring tribal areas of Pakistan.

    The military offensive had been part of the overall war against al-Qaeda, Since the start of the operation, the [Pakistani] military authorities have firmly established that a large number of Uzbek, Chechen and Arab militants were in the area. ... It was in July 2002 that Pakistani troops, for the first time in 55 years, entered the Tirah Valley in Khyber tribal agency. Soon they were in Shawal valley of North Waziristan, and later in South Waziristan. ... This was made possible after long negotiations with various tribes, who reluctantly agreed to allow the military's presence on the assurance that it would bring in funds and development work. But once the military action started in South Waziristan a number of Waziri sub-tribes took it as an attempt to subjugate them. Attempts to persuade them into handing over the foreign militants failed, and with an apparently mishandling by the authorities, the security campaign against suspected al-Qaeda militants turned into an undeclared war between the Pakistani military and the rebel tribesmen.

    Many of the TTP's leaders are veterans of the fighting in Afghanistan and have supported the fight against the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force by providing soldiers, training, and logistics.

    Therefore, if Pakistani TTP is out killing Pakistanis, it is no one's fault but that of Pakistan and its misplaced regional ambitions.

    Also one must not forget this:

    Is Pakistan justified in fighting Terrorism within Pakistan with US Funds>

    Why should the US fund a self inflicted injury of Pakistan?

    But one could go on and explain, with the saying goes - A fool and his money is soon parted.



    The chaos will continue since there is a power struggle in Pakistan (slightly dated but no change except for some personalities)

     
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    I simply put a mirror in your face. The propaganda you say is a mere reflection of you.

    Never knew you hate your reflection so much.

    Objective analysis of what? That which has been laid thread bare by many analyst for which Pakistani counter is absolutely missing.

    When you have ignored them, no analysis will help but low cost mirror will. Which I have done.


    You have a right to defend Pakistan with any kind of lie, yes you can but we also have a right to call it out.
    But, sun will not rise from west in respect to your lies.

    Pakistan has a right to ask for support with the same conviction that a beggar in front of Masjid does, but believe me USA will not be bogged down by it as no Namazi in front of Masjid is.

    As for what we are doing in Afghanistan, the Karma for us is cuddly pup.
     
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    Pakistan is ruled by the Army, politicians and even the judiciary.

    The people of Pakistan is not material and the US knows that.

    It has to keep the Army happy with funds and weaponry, the politicians happy with money and maybe even the Judiciary.

    As far as terrorists go, Zardari has be truthful (link appended in a post above). The Army and the ISI nurture them as strategic tool.

    If the politicians or the people or the Judiciary do not toe the Army's line, history shows that they are removed and even hung with the Army assuming the power.

    That is why it is said - Countries have Armies, but in Pakistan, the Army has a country.

    Why should the US or CIA encourage the terrorists?
     
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    You haven't gone all out on terrorist havens.
     
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    U will breed so called good Taliban again , just like u did in late 80ties
     
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    LoL,if they need foreign aid to take on a bunch of terrorists,they have literally no chance against IA.
     

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