pakistan to get new F-16 in 2010

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  1. A.V.

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    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has said that the country will get eight new F-16 fighter jets by June 2010.

    The Air Chief Marshal said that after the induction of hi-tech Saab-2000 Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&CS) aircraft in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), the country’s frontiers have become more secure.

    In an exclusive interview with DawnNews, the air chief said that the PAF was in the process of getting more advanced weapons which would significantly enhance its capability.—DawnNews

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  3. Rogue

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    I think they are buying 18 and 18 more are optional .These 8 are just the initial batch.
     
  4. gogbot

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    What missiles do they even have for F-16 ?
     
  5. SATISH

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    AMRAAMS-C5, JDAM, and all the goodies.
     
  6. Yusuf

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    Congrats to them. They have got new machines for fighting the "war on terror" which requires AMRAAMS, AIM 9X et all.
     
  7. bhramos

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    how come these new machines give tough resistance to our Sukhois, are these capable to fight or face our modren fighters, just 8 planes could make any difference????
     
  8. Singh

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    F-16 block 50 are great planes, and at the cutting edge of tech. However PAF is yet to extensively train in them and then factor them in their doctrine.
     
  9. Agantrope

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    Something that keeps the LH production active for some time. I think these things replacing the J-10 that are to be bought
     
  10. gogbot

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    So they finally have

    BVR missiles tofire back at us.

    But are you sure they have JDAM bombs.
     
  11. Singh

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    Lockheed Martin (LM)'s got its hands full. Its Boeing that ought to be desperate for sales.

    PAF says J-10s are not ready and are not being inducted presently.
     
  12. Singh

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    I think some of their MLU'd F-16s have BVR capabilities too.
    I also think that the US is gifting them JDAMs.
     
  13. Yusuf

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    Yes they have the JDAMs for "blasting the Taliban".
    Yes they begged their way to get BVRs after they were lighted up by indian fighters with BVRMs during the Kargil war. Uncle sams benevolent mood made them get those too.
     
  14. LETHALFORCE

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    8 with an option to buy 18 more so 26 planes all together just for comparision purpose we are getting 29 more MIG 29 which in my opinion can match or beat these f-16's so that still leaves all our other planes in reserve, also no matter how deadly F-16's are I don't think they will be able to get in Indian airspace for any extended time to be effective IMO, 26 planes Pakistan is jumping for joy and they should when they are free, this is even more amusing with F-16 block 60 competing in the MRCA. Below is our own Vayusena's comparision:

    http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/comparison-f16-mig29-1.html

    F-16 vs MiG-29

    f-sixteen.com

    Both the F-16 and the MiG-29 were designed to correct mistakes and shortcomings of previous aircraft. With the USAF it was the low kill ratios over Vietnam as well as the lack of complete air superiority over the battle field a feat that was achieved with great success both over the battlefield's of Europe and Korea where the US Army was able to operate under little threat of air attack. With the Russians they wanted an aircraft that would perform the same roles as the MiG-25 and the Su-27 but at a shorter range. As well as an aircraft that for the first time could match Western fighters in ACM, while maintaining the ability to operate as an interceptor. Thus the MiG-29 became a smaller and shorter range F-15 while the F-16 became a larger and longer range F-5.


    Both teams designed craft that were cleared to operations of 9g and made use of wing-body blending to increase internal volume , reduce weight and improve maneuverability. They both located the intakes close to structures to reduce the AoA (angle of attack) sensed at the face of the intake/s thus increasing the AoA that the aircraft could take in comparison to other aircraft of their day. With the F-16A the AoA limit is 25deg where as the MiG-29 has been cleared of an AoA of up to 45deg.

    One of the major differences was in the engine arrangement with the General Dynamics team choosing a single P&W F100 this gave commonality with the F-15 and lower fuel consumption. In contrast the Mikoyan team choose a twin arrangement of the RD-33 with no thought give to using the Saturn/Lyulka AL-31F as used in the Su-27. The reasoning being that the use of two engines gave the aircraft greater survivability as the MiG-23/27's suffered a greater attrition ratio then the MiG-25. With the intakes the GD team adopted a fixed geometry intake as high mach number capability was not required for the role that the F-16 was to fill, while the requirement for a dash speed of mach 2.3+ led Mikoyan to adopt a two dimensional , four shock , variable geometry intake with one fixed ramp and two moving ramps.

    In regard to FOD (foreign object damage) the GD team took the position that FOD would not be a problem as the F-16 would operate form swept, paved runways. Where as the Russians felt that a rough field capability was an important capability and as such devised two movable ramps over the intakes to prevent FOD while on the ground or at low speed at low level. When the intakes are closed the engines breath via auxiliary intakes on the upper surface of the wing.



    The F-16 has incorporated a number of features that are intended to enhance combat effectiveness. The pilot's seat is inclined at 30deg rather than the normal 13deg , he also has a side stick controller which allows the pilots arm to be supported this has not met with universal approval as some pilots prefer to be able to fly with either hand. The F-16 also for the first time incorporated a Fly-By-Wire flight control system, this allowed the aircraft to be made inherently unstable and would greatly improve maneuverability in air-combat. While the MiG introduced the first HMS (helmet-mounted sight) and IRST (infra-red search and track) sensor with a laser range finder for passive attacks and missile engagements up to 45deg off-borsight but maintained a conventional flight control system and achieved high maneuverability mainly due advanced aerodynamics. i.e. The tail of the MiG-29 is said to have been positioned to take advantage of the four vortices by the wing and fuselage.

    In combat provided that the MiG-29's 7.5g above 0.85 mach can be avoided it should beat any F-16 due to its BVR capability , higher thrust/weight ratio and lower wing loading. While in recent exercises between USAF F-16 and German MiG-29A's showed that in ACM the greatest advantage the MiG-29 had was it's helmet mounted sight coupled with the AA-11 Archer which gives it a kill zone greater than any aircraft serving. F-16 pilots found that any aircraft within 45deg's of the nose of a MiG-29 was always under grave threat. The ability to target aircraft well of boresight has proved to be such a success that helmet mounted sights have become requirements on any new fighter program.



    While both aircraft have short-commings those of the MiG-29 have effectively been solved with newer versions ( MiG-29 S/M/K and MiG-33 ) which have increased the fuel capacity of the MiG as well as adding an in-flight refueling system. The number of hard points has also been increased by two and the max warload has been doubled, along with the inclusion of a fly-by-wire flight control system and a new radar that allowed two targets to be engaged simultaneously with the new AA-12 Adder active radar missile as well as full clearance for flight at 9 g's . Most of these upgrades have been offered to current users of the MiG-29 with the Russian and Indian airforces conducting some upgrades.

    The F-16 by comparison has had few of it's problems solved in the past few years. One of it's greatest drawbacks the lack of a BVR capability was solved with the clearance of the AMRAAM for use on the F-16 but the second major problem of insufficient wing area on the F-16C has never been solved.
     
  15. ZOOM

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    F-16 sell to Pakistan must be taken with caution, since this newest F-16's are one of those jet which have achieved a giant leap in the technology. There is no denying to the fact that, the least F-16 can serve PAF through increased pilot traning and hours, so that there pilots will remain fighting feat at any give point of time. This newest aquisition will only going to improve their servicing and maintance activities by a large margin.
     
  16. vijaytripoli

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    What about the Amraan,s .
    Are these are the newest block which the same ones which the USA are offering to us on MRCA Deal?
    chau
     
  17. Neo

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    Actually there's much more than just the toys you mentioned.

    U.S. to Offer Smart-Bomb Kits, Drones to Pakistan


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    YOCHI J. DREAZEN - WSJ
    MARCH 2, 2010

    WASHINGTON—The Pentagon will transfer sophisticated laser-guided-bomb kits to Pakistan, escalating the Obama administration's recent push to better arm Islamabad for its military campaign against the country's Islamic militants.

    U.S. military officials said Pakistan will soon receive equipment capable of converting 1,000 traditional munitions into "smart bombs" that can more precisely strike targets on the ground.

    American officials hope the reconfigured bombs will help Pakistan minimize civilian casualties as it battles insurgents in the country's tribal regions.

    Pakistan will also soon take possession of a dozen American-made surveillance drones and 18 late-model F-16 fighter jets, sharply expanding the Pakistani military's ability to track and strike targets in remote, insurgent-controlled parts of the country.

    The laser-guided-bomb kits could spark some unease in India, where officials have been warily watching the expanded U.S. military aid to Pakistan and wondering if the weapons would one day be turned against them. India lobbied against recent U.S. legislation giving Pakistan billions of dollars in new nonmilitary aid, though the measure passed anyway.

    The Indian reaction to the planned American F-16 sale to Islamabad was far more muted, in part because India's air force is far larger than Pakistan's and employs more-advanced planes.

    Providing advanced munitions to Pakistan would once have aroused fierce opposition within the U.S. Congress, where powerful lawmakers from both parties have questioned Islamabad's willingness to take tough measures against the country's militants.

    Washington has also long charged that elements in Pakistan's intelligence service maintain close ties to the Afghan Taliban, an accusation Islamabad denies.

    But the new weapons transfers are unlikely to spark much controversy in Washington, a reflection of how much the concern about Pakistan has ebbed in recent months as Islamabad deepens its military and intelligence cooperation with the U.S. In mid-February, Pakistani and American intelligence operatives jointly captured Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the top military commander of the Afghan Taliban.

    Islamabad has also tacitly allowed the U.S. to sharply expand its campaign of drone missile strikes against insurgent targets inside Pakistani territory.

    Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell last week praised Pakistan for mounting a serious campaign against the militants operating along the porous Afghan-Pakistani border. U.S. officials say they believe the leadership of both al Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban are hiding in Pakistan, with several top officials allegedly operating out of the Pakistani city of Quetta.

    "The commitment that the Pakistani government, the military, its intelligence forces have demonstrated over the past several months to combating this threat within their midst is commendable," Mr. Morrell said. "We are here to help them in any which way they are comfortable."

    The clearest example of that assistance is the stepped-up U.S. military aid to Pakistan. A new American counterinsurgency assistance fund for Pakistan is slated to increase to $1.2 billion in fiscal year 2011 from $700 million in fiscal year 2010, allowing Islamabad to acquire more U.S.-made helicopters, night-vision goggles and other military equipment.

    Pakistan, which is smaller and poorer than neighboring India, uses American grants to fund most of its arms purchases.

    The smart bombs should help Pakistan expand its military offensive in the insurgent stronghold of South Waziristan.

    The laser-guided munitions can be dropped from Pakistan's current fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets, allowing Islamabad to improve the accuracy of its bombing runs while it waits to take possession of new F-16s later this year.

    "This is sort of a short-term discussion, but it's one that's important to them because they're involved in current operations right now," Air Force Secretary Michael Donley told reporters Tuesday. "They've been trying to improve their capabilities in the short term while they wait for these aircraft."

    Lt. Col. Jeffry Glenn, an Air Force spokesman, said Pakistan will receive 700 kits capable of converting 500-pound traditional bombs into laser-guided munitions, as well as 300 kits that can be used with larger 2,000-pound bombs.

    The kits, which are made by Lockheed Martin Corp. and Raytheon Co., contain computerized guidance systems for the fronts of the bombs and fins that are designed to be attached to the backs of the munitions for better lift and stability.

    Once the kits have been properly configured, pilots or ground-based troops can use laser beams to guide the smart bombs to their targets.

    Write to Yochi J. Dreazen at [email protected]
     
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    US to supply laser-guided bombs to Pakistan: official


    WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US Air Force plans to deliver 1,000 laser-guided bomb kits to Pakistan this month to help Islamabad in its offensive against militants on the Afghan border, a spokesman said on Tuesday.

    The Air Force is providing the kits after having delivered 1,000 MK-82 bombs last month to Pakistan's military, Lieutenant Colonel Jeffry Glenn told AFP.

    The US military assistance underscored Washington's role in backing Pakistan's months-long campaign against Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants.

    The Pakistani air force was playing "a big part" in operations against the Islamist extremists, Air Force Secretary Michael Donley said.

    "As they had ramped up operations, they're looking for ways to get additional capability," he told a gathering of defense reporters.

    Pakistan's air force chief had visited Washington last year and made additional requests for US military assistance, he said.

    Donley said the Pentagon had arranged for "expedited" delivery of the MK-82 bombs, which weigh 500 pounds each.

    The United States also was due to deliver 18 additional F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan in June, outfitted with sophisticated night-vision equipment, Glenn said.

    Confirmation of the arms deal came as Pakistan on Tuesday revealed a vast Taliban and Al-Qaeda hideout dug into mountains near the Afghan border, captured in an offensive against militants.

    Pakistan seized the complex in its latest offensive against militants in its semi-autonomous tribal belt, following US pressure on the country to eliminate Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked groups who attack Western troops in Afghanistan.

    President Barack Obama's administration has pledged stepped up military assistance and development aid to Pakistan, which Washington sees as a vital ally in the fight against Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.
     
  19. Yusuf

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    Well Congrats for that too. How much will be used on the western border and how much on the eastern only time will tell.
    Anyways most of the strikes are by US drones. What the F16s and the LGBs will be used for is anyone's guess.
    I don't think india needs to sleep over it. No matter what, india still retains qualitative and quantitative edge. Also india is not arming itself with pakistan in mind, in more ways now not even china as india sees more role for itself in the new world order that is going to emerge this decade
     
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    Pakistan has defense needs of her own, not everything is linked to WoT. We are modernising our forces for the first time since atleast two decades to meet new threats in the region.
     
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    New threats? And who is that? For the last 60 years, for the pakistanis it is only india which is a threat.
     

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