Pakistan to fight US Mumbai lawsuit against spy agency

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  1. Rahul92

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    The Pakistani government says it will fight a lawsuit filed in the US against its intelligence agency.

    The case against Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has been lodged by relatives of two American victims of the 2008 Mumbai attacks.

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    The attacks left 174 people - including nine gunmen - dead, and soured ties between India and Pakistan.

    India blames Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba for the gun and grenade attacks at several locations.

    The case filed in Brooklyn, New York, alleges that the ISI was complicit in wrongful killing because it had nurtured Lashkar-e-Taiba.

    Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has already ruled out any possibility of the ISI chief General Ahmed Shuja Pasha appearing before a US court.

    Late last year, Pakistan charged seven people in connection with the attacks, including the suspected mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, who is alleged to head Lashkar-e-Taiba.

    After initial denials, Pakistan acknowledged that the attacks had been partially planned on its territory and that Mohammad Ajmal Amir Qasab, the sole surviving gunman, was one of its citizens.

    Qasab was found guilty by an Indian court on charges including murder, waging war on India and possessing explosives and sentenced to death.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12097685
     
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  3. sayareakd

    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    yeah, good move, now ISI chief has to appear before the US court. Since i have legal background it will be good idea to have some of the Indian victims and their families joining in and then cross examining ISI chief under oath. Before the court everyone is equal.
     
  4. Vikramaditya

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    Indian government should help two American victims in this against pak gov and ISI...
     
  5. Oracle

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    First Yousuf Raza Gilani rules out possibility of the ISI chief General Ahmed Shuja Pasha appearing before a US court. Secondly Pakistani government says it will fight a lawsuit filed in the US against its intelligence agency. Pakistanis have no shame and have started wetting their pants now. If proved, Ahmed Shuja Pasha will be declared an international terrorist and ISI a terrorist organization. More fireworks in 2011 for Pakistan.
     
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    what do u think who gave them this idea or who is behind this idea ???????:emot180:
     
  7. Ray

    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Good for Pakistan.

    They are fighting worldwide!

    Today's news is that one serving Brigadier of the Pak Army planned the assassination of Benazir Bhutto!

    Great chaps these Pak Army chaps!
     
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  8. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Pakistan is a shameless state who has been degraded and pulled into courts by many countries. The WOT is another grand example where they have brought the global community at their doors to kill and flush their own people.

    My blood boils when i see their suit & tie wearing diplomats and cunning army professionals on different international forums with fake pretentious smiles. They are simply murders of humanity and nothing else.

    I admire the courage of that single person who has not only brought this whole notoriously violent organization to disgrace but dragged the whole Pakistani state to the court of justice.
     
  9. hit&run

    hit&run Elite Member Elite Member

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    Let us make a dossier against ISI and Pakistani state here about this particular case.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/david-headley-was-a-pak-spy-working-for-isi/139126-2.html?from=tn

    'David Headley was a Pak spy working for ISI'
    Press Trust Of India

    Washington: LeT operative David Headley, who scouted targets in Mumbai for 26/11 attacks, was a Pakistani spy working for ISI, whose chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha was possibly aware of the plot to strike India's financial hub, claims an investigative news report.

    "In essence, US and Indian officials say, Headley was more than a terrorist: He served as a Pakistani spy," investigative American journalist Sebastian Rotella wrote in 'ProPublica.Com'.

    Investigation into the Mumbai terrorist attacks by the US and Indian agencies, the news report said, has for the first time given a detailed account of how Pakistan's powerful ISI has been playing the "double game": acting as a front-line US ally in the fight against terror while supporting selected terrorist groups which serve Pakistani interests.

    'David Headley was a Pak spy working for ISI'

    Documents about Mumbai attacks investigation in possession with ProPublica.Com, have built a strong case that officers in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate collaborated with the Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist group in the plot that killed 166 people, six of them Americans, Sebastian wrote.

    "Officials from both countries (India and the US) say they are persuaded that ISI officers recruited and trained Headley in spying techniques and gave him money and instructions to scout targets in Mumbai and elsewhere.

    "Headley has told investigators that a Pakistani navy frogman helped plan the maritime attack on Mumbai," the news report said citing a 119-page report recounting his interrogation this year by Indian authorities.

    The report, which was obtained by ProPublica, quoted Headley as saying his Pakistani intelligence handler took part in a discussion about a subsequent Lashkar plot to attack a Danish newspaper - information that Pakistan did not share with Danish authorities, it said.

    While the allegations have been denied by Pakistani authorities, according to ProPublica, US investigators see much of Headley's account as credible.

    In a potentially significant revelation, ProPublica reports that Headley said Lt Gen Pasha, the director general of the ISI, went to see Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, the LeT military chief, in custody after he was arrested post-26/11.

    "Pasha had visited him to understand the Mumbai attack conspiracy," the report quoted Headley as saying, without further elaboration.

    "Pakistani officials deny that the spymaster made the jailhouse visit. US and Indian officials and experts are more willing to believe the story," it said.

    "I think Pasha was aware of the plot beforehand, or he is not chief of the ISI," an Indian counter-terror official was quoted as saying.
     
  10. hit&run

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    ISI link to Mumbai attack claimed
    Indian documents leaked to UK paper detail "dozens" of meetings between fighters and Pakistani intelligence agents.

    David Headley, a US informant who scouted locations to help militants prepare for the November 2008 Mumbai attacks, told Indian interrogators this summer that members of Pakistan's military intelligence, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), were closely involved in planning the assault, according to the Guardian newspaper and Associated Press news agency (AP).

    Headley said ISI agents met members of Lashkar-e-Taiba, the Pakistan-based armed group responsible for the attack, "dozens" of times beforehand. The ISI supported the Mumbai operation because it hoped that a spectacular attack would provide jihadi groups in the contested state of Kashmir with a "sense of achievement" and would shift the "theatre of violence" from Pakistan to India.

    Such groups, including the Lashkar, are believed to maintain ties to the ISI and Pakistani government, unlike more extemist groups, such as the Taliban and al-Qaeda, which pose a threat to Islamabad.

    The ISI hoped that a successful Lashkar operation would halt ongoing attrition from the Lashkar to the Taliban and al-Qaeda, Headley claimed.

    The new allegations of ISI involvement in the Mumbai assault come from a 109-page classified report by the Indian government that documents Headley's interrogation in the United States in June. The Guardian and AP both obtained a copy of the report.

    The well-executed, three-day operation by 10 attackers included raids on two luxury hotels, a major train station and a Jewish outreach centre. More than 160 people died and hundreds more were wounded.

    The US and India have blamed the Lashkar for the Mumbai attacks, and the lone surviving attacker has admitted the group carried out the operation.

    Allegations of ISI ties to Lashkar are not new; in July, Indian Home Secretary GK Pillai said members of the group are the "clients and creations" of the ISI and that the Pakistani spy agency was "literally controlling and co-ordinating" the Mumbai attack "from the beginning until the end".

    Pakistan has admitted that parts of the attack were planned on its soil and has arrested Pakistani citizens as a result.

    US informant

    Though Headley claimed he met several ISI agents and was, in one meeting, given $25,000 by an ISI handler to finance one of his reconnaisance missions in India, he also indicated that high-ranking ISI officers may not have known about the Mumbai operation.

    After the attacks, Lieutenant-General Shuja Pasha, the ISI's director-general, visited a senior Lashkar member in prison to try to "understand" the operation. Headley reportedly took this as an indication that Pasha had not known about the attack, or at least its scope and aims.

    But Headley also described multiple occasions when he gave ISI agents computer memory sticks that contained images and video of various landmarks in Mumbai. Headley interacted with several reputed ISI officers in the two years prior to the attack: During a 2006 interrogation by "Major Ali," he described his role in the Lashkar; later, he received the $25,000 reconnaisance payment from a man called "Major Iqbal," whose supervisor, "Lieutenant-Colonel Hamza" was also involved in debriefings.

    On Saturday, the US government acknowledged to the Washington Post newspaper and non-profit journalism group ProPublica that Headley had during the 1990s and 2000s been an informant for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).

    Headley's work for the DEA began in the 1990s after he was arrested for participating in a Pakistani heroin-smuggling operation. He was apparently reactived as an informant after the September 11, 2001, attacks in New York City and Washington, DC, though the US government denies he continued his work through his time as a Lashkar planner.

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation was tipped off about Headley's Lashkar membership in 2005 by one of his three wives, a woman who filed domestic abuse charges against him. By that time, Headley had been working with the Lashkar - and telling his wife he was doing so on a "secret mission for the US government" - for some three years.

    According to ProPublica, there were signs that Headley remained a government informant, or at least under the supervision of the US government, for years after September 11. In December that year, he was discharged from probation by a federal judge even though the scheduled end date for his probation was not set to come until 2004 - a possible sign that he was still receiving favourable treatment from the US government for his work. Within two months, Headley was training with Lashkar in Pakistan, and over the next three years, he made five trips to Lashkar camps.

    After the 2005 domestic abuse charges, Headley was arrested, released and never charged. His wife provided investigators from the Joint Terrorism Task Force in New York with audio cassettes and ideological material and described Headley's Lashkar training, ProPublica reported. But it's unclear if the government ever followed up on the tip, and law enforcement officials told ProPublica that such tips come to the government half a dozen times a day.

    During Headley's ensuing visits to India, he used his US passport to travel, and he set up a Mumbai branch of a US immigration business run by his friend. The government apparently did not detain Headley again after the domestic abuse arrest.

    Timothy Roemer, the US ambassador to India, told an Indian news programme on Monday that the US warned India "at least three times" before the Mumbai attacks.The US government has so far denied that Headley was working as an informant during his Lashkar scouting, but Headley's repeatedly favourable treatment and US knowledge of the impending attack raise questions about whether his activities were still being monitored by US law-enforcement or intelligence agencies.

    Headley was arrested in October 2009 and is currently in US custody in Chicago, where he has become a "treasure trove" of information about Lashkar-e-Taiba and al-Qaeda, ProPublica reported.
     
  11. brain_dead

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    The main aim of a country's intelligence agency is to protect the interests of that nation and guarantee the safety of its citizens
    In Pakistan's case, its totally screwed up. Their main aim is not to protect their own citizens but to hurt the citizens of other nation.
     
  12. LETHALFORCE

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    US just needs to cut the funding and aid to Pakistan, no need to go thru court and a legal process just for show.
     
  13. hit&run

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    BACKGROUND AND ALLEGATIONS
    http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/papers/2008/05_terrorism_byman/05_terrorism_byman.pdf

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    http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/1994_cr/pd_cong_speech.html

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    REPORTS AND CONCERNS

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    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/asias-islamism-engine/story-e6frg6v6-1111118217064

    FOLLOWING the terror massacres in Mumbai, Pakistan may now be the single biggest state sponsor of terrorism, beyond even Iran. Yet it has never been listed by the US State Department as a state sponsor ofterrorism.
    In 1998, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the State Department's counter-terrorism co-ordinator recommended listing Pakistan as a state sponsor of terrorism. Then secretary of state Madeleine Albright decided against it, saying it would destroy US influence in Islamabad. And that has been the dilemma of Western policy towards Pakistan ever since.

    India is now deciding whether to strike at a training base of Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Pakistan-based terrorist group involved in the Mumbai massacres. It may be that prudence will prevent India from conducting the strike. However, in law and morality, India would certainly be entitled to strike. The US has been conducting strikes across the Pakistani border to hit Taliban terrorists, who have been trying to kill NATO soldiers in Afghanistan. India would have the more urgent justification of protecting its civilians.

    Every civilised person in the world has a duty to express maximum solidarity with India, which is what the Rudd Government has done and which is why US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is in India.
    Above all, the world must do nothing that rewards the terrorists for their actions.
    US president-elect Barack Obama has expressed his absolute solidarity with India, but he has been a bit schizophrenic on Pakistan nonetheless. During the primaries, Obama said he would order military strikes on targets within Pakistan if he had information of high-value terrorists sheltering there and if the Pakistan Government could not or would not take action itself.
    At first I thought this a little imprudent until the Bush administration started to do exactly the same thing. So, one tick to Obama's tough-minded realism.
    However, he also has suggested appointing a special presidential negotiator on Kashmir. This is a very stupid and dangerous move indeed. In light of the Mumbai bombing it would be a pure political reward for terror outrages. The wretched message such a move would send would be: You murder enough civilians and we'll start making concessions.
    As the epicentre of global terrorism shifts from the Middle East to South Asia, you can see the effort to transform the Kashmir dispute into the equivalent of the Palestinian dispute; that is, the fountainhead, all-purpose grievance can be used to explain, if not justify, every act of Islamist butchery and murder in the region.
    But the history of Kashmir doesn't bear that out. Nor do negotiations on it offer any solution.
    When India was partitioned in 1947, there were disputes over which bits should go to Muslim majority Pakistan and which should go to Hindu majority India. Kashmir's government, though it was a Muslim majority state, decided to go to India. Subsequently, a large chunk of its territory was taken by Pakistan, and the line between the territory Pakistan controls and that which India controls has been the effective border between India and Pakistan since. If anything, Pakistan should give back the territory it took. But during the intervening years the Pakistani government has constantly fuelled terrorism, separatism and insurgency in Kashmir. Islamabad thus has made it impossible for Kashmiri life to develop normally.

    Undoubtedly, in response to this, at times India has been guilty of human rights abuses in Kashmir.
    However, Kashmiris, like everyone else in India, enjoy Indian democracy, and state elections have recently been under way. If it were not for what are in effect constant acts of war by Pakistan, Kashmir could have settled into a fully normal life. Even with the constant Pakistani military intervention, India is still winning the allegiance of Kashmiris.
    Pakistan's ruthless and amoral military establishment has always seen stoking the Kashmir dispute as in its interests. It keeps India off balance. At best it puts a cloud over the legitimacy of India as a modern, democratic, secular state.

    It also confuses the distinction between India, which is a multiracial, multi-religious democracy with a booming economy, and Islamic Pakistan, which is a broken-backed state on the brink of failure and collapse. More than 10 per cent of India's population is Muslim, whereas few Hindus or Sikhs remain in Pakistan.
    The only possible solution to Kashmir that Islamists would accept is all of Kashmir becoming Pakistani territory and some local Taliban-style government ruling day by day. The more Obama, or anyone else, tries to internationalise Kashmir, the more he is playing into the hands of terrorists.
    We do not know for sure what degree of active involvement Pakistani authorities may have had in the Mumbai massacres.
    The Pakistan Government denies all involvement and most senior Indians I speak to do not think the ineffectual Pakistani civilian Government was directly involved.
    But it is becoming increasingly difficult to believe that an operation of such scale and sophistication, mounted by Pakistanis from within Pakistan, had no involvement from the Pakistani military or some element of its Inter Services Intelligence agency.
    The ISI founded Lashkar-e-Toiba to prosecute its low-level war against India in Kashmir, just as the ISI founded the Taliban to ensure a government in Kabul sympathetic to Pakistani interests.
    Lashkar-e-Toiba is notionally illegal in Pakistan but operates openly under another name. The ISI is asking us to believe that, having founded Lashkar-e-Toiba, it has no control or even knowledge of its biggest operations.
    The parallel with the behaviour of Pakistan in the A.Q. Khan scandal is instructive. The Pakistanis expect us to believe they are a responsible nuclear power, yet have no responsibility or even knowledge when their chief nuclear scientist sells nuclear weapons technology to rogue regimes across the world, often using Pakistani military transports in the process.
    The Pakistan Government has a long record of bad faith. In August it was involved in a terrorist bombing against the Indian embassy in Kabul. The Americans got this information, through their pervasive eavesdropping on electronic communications and passed it to the Indians.
    There is no obvious path forward with Pakistan, which occupies that diabolical category of divided state, where part of the state fights terrorism and part of it enables and helps terrorism.
    India, among others, is locked in a struggle with the pro-terrorist elements of the Pakistani state.

    WARNINGS DIRECTLY FROM US OFFICIAL
    http://archives.dawn.com/2008/12/06/top14.htm
     
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    Defend me in America's 26/11 trial, JuD chief tells Pak

    Jamaat-ud Dawa chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has moved the Lahore high court seeking direction for the Pakistan government to defend him, Inter Services Intelligence officials and others before a United States court, which has issued summons to them in connection with the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks.

    Saeed, his operational commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, Director General of ISI Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, his predecessor Lieutenant General (retired) Nadeem Taj, Major Ali and Major Iqbal are among those who have been summoned for appearing before the court in a case filed by an injured United States citizen and the heirs of four others, who were killed in the terror strike on November 26, 2008.

    Petitioner's counsel AK Dogar stated that Rabbi Gavriel Noah Holtzberg and his wife Rivka were killed in a terrorist attack at the Chhabad House in Mumbai, and their son, Moshe, who survived the attack, along with other people, had moved a US court against his client Saeed and others.

    He said the complainant accused them of providing material support for the Mumbai terror attacks and demanded damages.

    Dogar stated that Hafiz Saeed was the head of the Jamaat-ud Dawa, which was a charity organisation and had no links with the Lashkar-e-Tayiba.

    The Pakistan government had detained him in 2009, and a full bench of the Lahore high court had ordered his release, Dogar added.

    Noting that on December 31, the Pakistan government had announced its decision to defend ISI chief Lieutenant General Pasha, he maintained that Saeed was also a Pakistani, and had the same rights as any other citizen of the country.

    In response to the summons, a reply had already been sent to the US court, rejecting the jurisdiction of American courts, as international law did not allow an exercise of jurisdiction over any person and property of other states, he added.

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    He just shit'd his pants. Even the name of America is enough for the kinkiest of Mullahs. Look at how's he begging. ROFLMAO!!!!
     

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