Pakistan seeks to strengthen defence ties with Russia

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  1. Neo

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    Pakistan seeks to strengthen defence ties with Russia: FO spokesperson

    January 16, 2015

    Russia and Pakistan are trying to enhance and develop relations in many areas, says diplomat.

    MOSCOW:*Pakistan considers the ongoing dialogue with Russia as productive and intend to develop ties in various spheres including defence and energy products, Foreign Office spokesperson*Tasnim Aslam told Russian news agency*Tass.

    “Russia and Pakistan are trying to enhance and develop relations in many areas; Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Ishaq Dar has recently visited Moscow where a meeting of the inter-governmental working group for energy issues took place. It was very useful,” Aslam said.

    She further added that “we received Russian Defense Minister Sergey*Shoigu in Pakistan last year; they held fruitful discussions and adopted a set of measures aimed to strengthen defense cooperation. Now, time has come to materialise them in real life.”

    When she was questioned on whether Pakistan had planned to buy military hardware and weapons from Russia in a sign of developing defence contacts, she said that opportunities to expand and strengthen the existing ties always appeared as relations continue to develop.

    “This is equally true of the purchases of military equipment and Russian investments in Pakistan and the development of infrastructure in our country by Russian companies,” she said.

    She used the construction of a steel-making plant in Pakistan in the 1970s as an example of reciprocal cooperation and said that they would want the relations to grow further and develop in more than one sphere.

    “We want Russia to participate in the implementation of infrastructure projects; the construction of dams as well as in energy projects. We maintain contacts with many companies, including Gazprom,” the spokesperson said.
    Aslam said US Secretary of State, John Kerry’s recent visit to Islamabad on January 13 was Pakistan’s attempt to build bilateral relations with partners in a way that would not harm the interests of other states.

    “We believe that countries develop bilateral relations on a mutually beneficial basis. This kind of ties can also have a positive impact on the region and the international situation. Not a single country can have ‘a right of veto’ on development of bilateral relations by other countries. Our aim is to develop independent contacts with all countries. We consider the foreign policy to be a ‘zero sum game’.

    Pakistan’s relations with the United States can in no way harm Pakistan’s relations with Russia and vice versa,” the Pakistani diplomat said in conclusion.


    Pakistan seeks to strengthen defence ties with Russia: FO spokesperson – The Express Tribune
     
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  3. Screambowl

    Screambowl Senior Member Senior Member

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    It is actually Pakistan trying to strengthen defence ties with Russia, not Russia and Pakistan seeking. The main negotiator is China. They want to form , The Arc Russia, China , Pakistan

    Chinese want
    1) String of pearls , blocking India from sea

    2) the arc, blocking India from all land connections.
     
  4. Neo

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    I can't blame you for looking at it from Indian point of view. As I see it, our approach to Russia is not India centric and equally benefiacial for the Russians as it is for us. There's a void in Afghanistan and both Russia and China are eagr to fill it because of their own security concerns and need Pakistan for this.

    As far as China is concerend, she can contain India with Pakistan already and doesn't need Russia for this.
     
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    It is Russia, which backs India in every motion, internationally and for that China needs Russia. Pakistan can't help China in that way. Secondly US will not let Russians enter Afghanistan, and neither they want China close to their bases. Hence Pakistan is stuck , whom to support. You cannot ditch americans.
     
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    Mutually beneficial relationship exists only when it benefits mutually. So far Pak has nothing to offer to Russia neither money nor any kind of resources and unlike US, Russia do not need a land route to AFG. Unless you consider the crazy mullah theory that USSR wanted to invade Pak for warm water ports to be a valid point.

    Chahbahar and Bandar Abbas provide a much better and safer route than any Pak port ever can.
     
  7. prohumanity

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    This is false propaganda...Prez Putin made it very very clear about 6 weeks ago when he was in New Delhi that "Russia will not do anything which goes against interests of India" He said in straight and clear manner. He added that the helicopter offer was for the purpose of helping Pakistan to destroy terrorists. I hope you learn to go to correct news source and don't get lost in false propaganda esp against Russia these days.
     
  8. Neo

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    A decade ago Putin would not have considered selling the choppers to Pakistan, but he is. Pakistan is seeking defence ties with Russia to eliminate terrorists on its western borders as well as neighboring Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. The cooperation is not India centric and therefore none of her business. Putin will say to India whatever he think is in their interests but in the meantime ties with Pakistan are improving fast.
     
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    Well ....a decade ago..Pakistan was not so badly infected with this deadly disease called terrorism. Prez Putin and PM Modi, both want to save Pakistan from the snakes Pakistani army dictators raised hoping they will bite Indians in Jammu Kashmir, Russians in Chechnia and Dagestan.
    Why you Pakis are so suicidal and self destructive...even when all others are trying to help you from self destruction...you still want to play that old "divide and stay relevant" game ?
     
  10. anupamsurey

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    looks like pakis are getting their hopes high on this warming up with russia issue.....my advice dont count the chicks before they hatch....and the indications from the other sides for the pakis are not that enthusiastic.
    it is just the pakis and their media which is flying the high kite without the tether.
     
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    How much of it has to do with Tapi pipe line. THis is where I see a convergence of interest between USA and Russia, apart from the current WoT using Pak as a base.

    Russia backs TAPI gas pipeline | neurope.eu

    Pakistan is a country whom anyone can use as and how required. As long as its civilians are delusional, everything works. There is no need for India to be on the ground in Pakistan but India wil get what she wants through Pakistan.
     
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    IMO TAPI is not going to be reality because Pakistanis are rabidly paranoid of Indians and we Indians won't make our energy securities vulnerable.
     
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    Judging by the activities at diplomatic leves on this project, looks more like TAPI is going to be a reality.
    ONly thing to see is

    When the enerrgy rich central asia meets energy deficient Indo Pacific and sout, east asia, west will be biting dust in economy. The real asian rise will happen.

    This is something the west will try to prevent by the increased civil unrest in the central asia. Meaning the west will dictate the energy flow to these Pacific and south, east asian countries.
     
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    Russia-Pakistan Deal May Lead to More Sales


    ISLAMABAD — A deal for Pakistan to directly import Russian engines for the JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter will improve the program and may lead to more Russian-made parts for the aircraft, analysts say.

    News broke over the weekend that Pakistan would directly import the Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia rather than via China, which reportedly also supports the deal.

    Kaiser Tufail, an analyst and former air commodore, said he believes the deal is significant on cost and political grounds.

    "I think a direct deal with Russia for supply of the engines basically removes the Chinese middleman, resulting in cheaper procurement cost. It is also reflective of a thaw in what has been a frosty relationship with Russia over the past several decades," he said.

    Considering the JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani project, Tufail said: "China's approval of direct procurement from Russia is also significant, and can be seen as trilateral cooperation between the three countries, in which Pakistan enjoys a pivotal position."

    Engine availability has always been a source of speculation for the JF-17 program — initially the lack of a Western-made powerplant — and whether Moscow would continue to supply the RD-93, leading Pakistan to look for an alternative.

    An alternative does exist in the Chinese Guizhou WS-13, but analysts do not consider it yet to have matured. With the guaranteed availability of the RD-93, the only issue is whether a more powerful, and perhaps thrust-vectoring, variant may be adopted at a future date.

    The European EJ200 is also being offered, but for potential customers such as Saudi Arabia.

    Brian Cloughley, analyst and former Australia defense attache to Islamabad, said, "I think there is already examination of the means of upgrading the JF-17 in many ways, and it would be surprising if this did not include more powerful engines, and certainly an improved version of the RD-93 would be a sensible choice."

    Cloughley said financing may be an issue, but it's something he said he believed politics will overcome. "As usual, it all comes down to cost — but Russia is cutting the price of its exported defense material in order to acquire and lock-in markets."

    Cloughley also highlighted a perennial fear of sanctions for Pakistan that still shapes its policies. "This is yet another blowback effect of sanctions, and it may cost the west considerably in the long term."

    However, Tufail questioned the need for the JF-17 needing a replacement engine.

    "I believe it is a premature idea, as the current RD-93 is powerful enough, providing a thrust-to-weight ratio of almost 1:1," said Tufail.

    "So far the engine has performed flawlessly, both from an operational and maintenance point of view, its relatively low [time between overhaul] notwithstanding. When the PAF eventually decides to replace the current engine, it would likely be on the TBO factor," he added.

    Tufail explained that under present circumstances, the JF-17 may not be suited to a more powerful engine.

    "It also needs to be understood that any thrust increase in an aircraft that is not amply endowed with a large internal fuel quantity is not a feasible option. The RD-93 is, therefore, likely to continue on the current version of the JF-17 for the foreseeable future," Tufail said.

    Cloughley said the engine deal could lead to further Russian involvement in the JF-17. "I have no doubt that Moscow and Islamabad are looking at all sorts of equipment, and it would make sense for Pakistan to make deals — providing they are acceptable to China."

    The engine deal could eventually lead to weapons deals, Tufail said.

    "Over a long term, Russian weapons would surely come under consideration, but I believe for the time being, we won't get into retrofits," he said.

    Tufail added: "These are effort intensive for they need time to iron out the interface glitches. For the next 5-7 years, the PAF would like the weapon system to mature, though I am sure studies of Russian weapons integration would surely get underway during this period."

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...ales/23519813/
     
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    All talk, talk and more talk with no substance...
     
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    All these Paki military news is similar to some one eating at a restaurant like there is no tomorrow.

    What is eaten isn't that important but who foots the bill for all of that certainly is.

    :lol:
     
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    :bs: Pak- Russia relationship has to do with Paks capability and mil capacity...Thats :bs:

    Why this move and why now?

    The Russian decision is indicative of a paradigm shift in Russian foreign policy, a kind of move which one sees once in several decades.

    Naturally, when a state takes such a decision it must not be without considering the pros and cons of the matter, the strategic takeaways and the possible pitfalls.

    Two compelling reasons for the Russian move may well be Afghanistan and the Russia-West spat over Ukraine.

    Like India and China, Russia too is waiting with bated breath the post-2014 Afghanistan as American/NATO are scheduled to pull out most of their troops from the land-locked country by this year end. The Taliban is in a resurgent mode. Everybody knows that during the Taliban rule (1996-2001), Afghanistan had become the most productive and flourishing factory of jihad in the world. Therefore, the withdrawal of American/NATO troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014 may well turn the country into a tinder box again.

    While Russia would definitely not like this scenario, it can hardly change the situation and counter the new situation with a Plan B. Pakistan’s importance would increase enormously in the post-2014 situation in Afghanistan.


    Improving relations with Pakistan would give an important leverage to Russia in the post-2014 Afghanistan. If Russia and China do not want the loose canons of the Taliban to unleash themselves at them, then it is Pakistan and no one else that can make it happen.

    The Russian move may be far shrewder than one can think. It may well be indicative of a China-Russia-Pakistan (CRP) axis, largely because of flawed policies of the Obama administration.

    Russia and Pakistan have had a rather cold relationship, despite the latter’s sustained attempts over recent years to mend the ties. Reasons for the Russian coldness toward Pakistan are not difficult to see. It is the India factor. India clearly does not favor Russia cozying up to Pakistan and Russia could not have afforded to annoy the Indians. Why, after all, Russia should play a zero-sum game in South Asia when it is having the best of relations with India, a sworn enemy of Pakistan?

    That was the argument of most Russians who opposed the very idea of needling India, the largest importer of Russian weapons. But even this defense relationship received setbacks in the past two years as Russia lost out to other competitors like Israel, the United States and Europe on several big-ticket Indian defense deals.

    The India angle

    Let me begin the India angle in this context with two seemingly contradictory statements.

    One, the Russian decision of lifting its embargo on weapons supplies to Pakistan is a huge setback to India. Two, India and Russia will continue to do business together as both need each other immensely.

    It is highly unlikely that the Russian move would have come as a complete surprise to the Indians. New Delhi has been aware of formal consultations between Russia and Pakistan in the trilateral format on Afghanistan – the third country being China.

    It is quite possible that Moscow may have taken the Indians into its confidence on its upcoming policy change and put forth its strategic compulsions.

    Russia and India are working very closely in the Afghan theater and have embarked on a novel understanding wherein India pays for Russian arms supplied by Russia to Afghanistan for boosting Afghan armed forces’ capabilities. Is there a possibility that the Russians have taken a sort of ‘no-objection certificate’ from the Indians for their unprecedented outreach to Pakistan?


    One cannot rule out anything. Games such as these are often played on the strategic chessboards. What can be a bigger strategic chessboard than Afghanistan where all the top powers of the world are directly involved?

    Moreover, one should not expect an official statement from either Moscow or New Delhi on this issue. Games such as these are often played in the back alleys, far from the media glare.

    Why is Russia lifting embargo on military supplies to Pakistan? — RT Op-Edge


    Okay..So Russians, INdians and Chinese are going to use Pakistan in a grand Gang Bang.. This is the truth.

    The begining of Pak Carnival 2015(Diplomatically) in line with Rio Carnival!!!!
     
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    as far as i know Russian dont give free stuff. i wonder how will pakis syphone $$$ from which source??/
     
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    SIr basically it has to do with countering Afghan..Russia is not interested in Pakis.
    Russia is trying to get a leverage on Pakistan without the old maxim way (shoot first ..ask quechens later). We wil see such half baked news in Paki media to make Russian involvement in Afghan seamless.
    Pak has to considering the fact that they created Tallibunnies to fight Russians at one time. Now the reorientation would require quiet a lot of convincing at many levels.
     

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