Pakistan seeks seat on UN Security Council

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Token gestures by the Chinese while keeping the wallet close. China is not USA that this matters or makes a difference.The closer China gets to Pakistan the faster it will implode from US backlash.
 

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If this new is about Pakistan claim for UNSC seat, why should India be upset...also in the past Pakistan and India worked together in the International Issues.
Even Pakistan Supported India last year for the same seat.However this year even Kyrgyzstan is standing which a better friend of India and also last year they also voted for India, hence is supporting it.
It doesn't matter for India whoever wins, there is nothing to be upset.
 

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This is a Non permanent seat that is coming up . Let the poor pakistanis take it who cares

In fact India refused this " below standard " non permanent seat for 15 long years
as we were openly asking for permanent seat

Only recently we took it up so that our pro - Afghan ( destabilising Pakistan ) policy is not hampered
in the new GREAT game that is soon coming up in Afghanistan
 

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Screw em... we are never going to get Chinese support for UNSC seat.

We need to think of an altogether new plan. :hmm:

Actually, this entire UN is becoming a thoroughly useless organization day by day. We need a new organization to reflect realities of today.
That is the best and easiest way for India. Heck, it is even best for the world.
 

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BTW it will look funny is nt it

A failed state in the security council ; where terrorists rule the roost and
plot Jihad against the whole western world

Looks like global security means giving a seat to the terrorist state .
 
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So much talk from all sides on UNSC reforms, none on ground.
 

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NEW DELHI: Minister of state for foreign affairs Preneet Kaur reiterated on Wednesday that India wants United Nations' Security Council (UNSC) membership expanded from the current 15 states to 25. India in collaboration with Brazil, Japan and Germany - together known as the G-4 - has proposed expansion of the UNSC membership from 15 to 25, with the addition of six permanent and four non-permanent members.

"India's Permanent Representative to the United Nations had in a statement, at a meeting of the UN General Assembly plenary on the intergovernmental negotiations on the question of equitable representation on and increase in the membership of the Security Council and other matters related to the Council on March 2, 2011, clearly stated India's views regarding expansion of the Council in both permanent and non-permanent categories," Kaur told the Lok Sabha.

There are a range of proposals, suggesting an increase in the numbers of permanent and non-permanent members of the Security Council. "During the course of intergovernmental negotiations, the proposals for expansion of the Council in both permanent and non-permanent categories have commanded the most support among UN member states," she added.

The government has been actively seeking support from all UN member states for India's candidature for permanent membership in an expanded UNSC. As a result of these efforts, Kaur said, there has been a steady increase of support for India's candidature. Both India and the US are actively involved in the ongoing negotiations on SC reform in the UN and seek an expansion in both permanent and non-permanent categories of the Council's membership.

India wants UNSC club expanded to 25 states - The Times of India
 

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UNITED NATIONS -- Kyrgyzstan and Pakistan are both vying for the same seat on the UN Security Council.

On October 21, the United Nations General Assembly will elect five nonpermanent members to the Security Council for two-year terms that begin in January. Both Islamabad and Bishkek want to replace Lebanon on the 15-member council's Asia and Arab bloc seat.

Kyrgyzstan, a UN member state since 1992, declared its aspirations for a Security Council seat as far back as 1997, but it is the first time Bishkek has formally put forward its bid.

By contrast, Pakistan, the world's sixth-most populous country, has been in the UN since 1947 and already served six two-year terms on the council. As one of the largest contributors to the UN peacekeeping force, it's seen as a heavy favorite. But it also has a frayed relationship with Washington, where administration officials have recently complained publicly about Islamabad's lack of cooperation in the fight against terrorism.

In its favor, Kyrgyzstan hosts both U.S. and Russian air bases and has the region's first female president, Roza Otunbaeva. Working against it is its failure to prevent major ethnic clashes last year and what international critics say were the ethnically biased prosecutions that followed.

Last-Ditch Effort

In a last-ditch effort to persuade the Central Asian nation to withdraw its candidacy, Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Khar visited Bishkek on October 18 and met with Otunbaeva, apparently to no effect. Hours later, Otunbaeva's office released a statement, confirmed by Kyrgyz diplomats at the UN, saying the Central Asian nation would remain a candidate for the Security Council seat.

Munir Akram, who was Pakistan's permanent representative to the UN from 2002 through 2008 and served two terms as president of the Security Council, told RFE/RL that gaining a seat on the council would be a political and diplomatic success because it would elevate that country's influence in world affairs.

He judged Pakistan's chances of regaining a seat on the Security Council as "excellent."

"Pakistan is a very large country [and] it has vital national interest in the issues on the agenda of the Security Council," Akram said. "Kyrgyzstan, I think, has never as such made vital contributions to international peace and security. Pakistan is the largest troop contributor to [UN] peacekeeping operations. I think the comparisons in the contribution that are made and can be made by the two countries are very stark and very clear."

Kyrgyz Accomplishments

For his part, Talaibek Kydyrov, Kyrgyzstan's permanent representative to the UN, told RFE/RL that while Pakistan is a formidable opponent, he thinks his country's chances are "good."


Talaibek Kydyrov: "We have many common interests."
"‹"‹"We are sending each year a certain number of peacekeepers to serve in a score of African countries. We've gained experience in peace-building and have contributed to preventive diplomacy [activities]," Kydyrov said. "There is a regional UN center for preventive diplomacy located in Ashgabat. We have experience in postconflict development."

Kyrgyzstan has also been an active participant in the work of the UN Human Rights Council, he added.

Otunbaeva announced Kyrgyzstan's intention to seek a seat on the Security Council in her speech to the General Assembly on September 22.

"The Kyrgyz Republic as a member of the group of landlocked countries, of the group of small countries with economies in transition, and as a young democracy with a multifaith population, supports the need for wider representation of all categories of countries in the Security Council," she said.

Ambassador Kydyrov added that if elected, Kyrgyzstan -- with a population of some 5.5 million -- will represent the interests of all small and landlocked countries who are members of the UN.

"We are stressing the fact that Kyrgyzstan is a small, developing, landlocked, mountainous country. More than half of the UN member states are small, developing countries," he said. "We have many common interests, so in this regard we are focusing on gaining support among the small, developing countries."

Backroom Diplomacy

Winning a seat on the council requires the support of two-thirds of the 193 General Assembly UN member states who are present in the hall during the ballot. There is no veto power in a General Assembly vote.

Considerable backroom diplomacy and jockeying for position takes place in the run-up to Security Council elections. Alliances are forged and promises of support are secured in exchange for past or future favors. Kyrgyzstan has waged a quiet but vigorous diplomatic campaign to gain supporters, with the help of staff from Bishkek's European missions who have been temporarily reassigned to the UN.

The prevailing view among UN diplomats is that Pakistan has a higher level of support within the General Assembly than Kyrgyzstan. But Bishkek's resistance to pressure to withdraw has led to speculation that it has the support of one or more influential UN member states.

Pakistan's Akram said that Kyrgyzstan's adamant resistance to various offers to withdraw from the race implies exactly that.

"There are suspicions in Pakistan, and among Pakistanis, as to why this is so -- whether Kyrgyzstan has been encouraged and supported in its insistence by some major powers, whether neighboring countries or larger powers far away from Pakistan," Akram said.

Still, he added, any vote in the General Assembly is hard to predict because members don't announce their decisions beforehand and alliances can, and do, sometimes fall apart at the last minute.

The October 21 vote is an annual election for five of the 10 nonpermanent seats on the council. Among those competing for the European seat this year is Azerbaijan.

The remaining five are permanent, veto-wielding members Russia, China, the United States, Britain, and France.

Bid For UN Security Council Seat Pits Newcomer Kyrgyzstan Against Veteran Pakistan
 

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So much hullabaloo for a non-permanent rotating seat ? :confused:
 
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Bhooke Nange ko 'Ghaas' hi sahi as suggested by the great Zulfikar Ali Bhutto :D
 

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Pakistan, a six-term candidate for the Asian seat on the Security Council, faces a challenge from Kyrgyzstan. PHOTO: AFP

NEW YORK: India's hopes of getting backing from China for a seat in the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) were dashed on Wednesday when the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it was considering Pakistan instead for the non-permanent seat, The Times of India reported.

China attaches great importance to Pakistan's request for a non-permanent seat on the UNSC, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said on Wednesday, Xinhua news agency reported.

This follows after India's attempt in September this year to obtain a permanent seat in the UNSC had finally fizzled out due to lack of support from other member states, after an intensive six-year campaign.

Pakistan voiced its desire to have a seat on the UNSC at the 66th General Assembly session in September.

China supports Pakistan playing a bigger part in maintaining international peace and security, Jiang said at a daily press briefing, noting that China and Pakistan are all-weather strategic partners.

UNSC consists of five permanent members – China, France, Russia, the United States and Britain, and 10 other non-permanent members that are elected for two-year terms.

An election scheduled for Friday will determine the new non-permanent members of the United Nations Security Council, a UN official told reporters.

Earlier United Arab Emirates (UAE) too extended its support to Pakistan for its candidacy for a United Nation's Security Council non-permanent seat.

Meanwhile Pakistan's Ambassador to the United Nations Abdullah Haroon says he was confident of country's success in the elections on Friday.

Pakistan, a six-term candidate for the Asian seat on the Security Council, faces a challenge from Kyrgyzstan. Those elected, will replace Lebanon, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Brazil, Gabon and Nigeria, whose two-year terms end on December 31, 2011.

Earlier in 2010, US President Obama had hinted on supporting India's demand to have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council while Beijing had welcomed India's election as a non-permanent member of UNSC but didn't disclose its intentions about supporting New Delhi's case for a permanent member. China is the only one of the five permanent members of UNSC that has not announced its decision to support India.


UNSC election 2011: India disturbed by China's support for Pakistan – The Express Tribune
 

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When can our india friend understand: none of big 5 wants to see a new one sharing their power in permanent UNSC.
These so called "supporting" gestures are just lip works mean nothing.

Remember: in 2008, it was representives of USA and China together crashing the reform requirement from F4.
 

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no smoking,
the urge for reform will come from UNGA, once India get 2/3 votes in the UNGA, china stands zero % chance of blocking India, Just like you caved in 2008 in the NSG meet. In 2008 all the NSG members agreed to give india a waiver except china, at the chia could not withstand the pressure and caved in, likewise your country will cave in once India 2/3 votes in the general assembly. if china vetos then again after the 2 months the issue will prop up, china will have veto it inifinetely to block india. nobody can stop india getting permanent seat
 

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no smoking,
the urge for reform will come from UNGA, once India get 2/3 votes in the UNGA, china stands zero % chance of blocking India, Just like you caved in 2008 in the NSG meet. In 2008 all the NSG members agreed to give india a waiver except china, at the chia could not withstand the pressure and caved in, likewise your country will cave in once India 2/3 votes in the general assembly. if china vetos then again after the 2 months the issue will prop up, china will have veto it inifinetely to block india. nobody can stop india getting permanent seat
then do it. why wait till now?LOL
I mean later.
 
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Screw em... we are never going to get Chinese support for UNSC seat.
why did you think you would ever get our support?

why would you expect such a huge favor, from a country (china) that you see as your enemy?

where is the logic?
 

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why did you think you would ever get our support?

why would you expect such a huge favor, from a country (china) that you see as your enemy?

where is the logic?
Its called power politics. Squeezing China's interests in India and elsewhere will make it to fall in the line.
 

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why did you think you would ever get our support?

why would you expect such a huge favor, from a country (china) that you see as your enemy?

where is the logic?
No logic.

That's why I said, we should not expect support. I think we both are in agreement.
 

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Its called power politics. Squeezing China's interests in India and elsewhere will make it to fall in the line.
Somehow, I don't think any amount of squeezing will bring them in line.

They enjoy the company of only failed and rogue states like Pakistan and NK. :tsk:
 

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