Pakistan`s troubling UAV program

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  1. Ganesh2691

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    One of Islamabad's closest allies and Washington's biggest rivals, China, has offered to help by selling Pakistan armed drones it developed. But industry experts say there is still uncertainty about the capabilities of the Chinese aircraft.

    The development of unmanned combat aircraft is especially sensitive in Pakistan because of the widespread unpopularity of the hundreds of US drone strikes against Taliban and al-Qa'ida militants in the country's rugged tribal region bordering Afghanistan.

    The Pakistani government denounces the CIA strikes as a violation of the country's sovereignty, though senior civilian and military leaders are known to have supported at least some of the attacks in the past. Pakistani officials also call the strikes unproductive, saying they kill many civilians and fuel anger that helps militants recruit additional fighters - allegations denied by the US.

    Pakistan has demanded the US provide it with armed drones, claiming it could more effectively carry out attacks against militants. Washington has refused because of the sensitive nature of the technology and doubts that Pakistan would reliably target US enemies. The US has held talks with Pakistan about providing unarmed surveillance drones, but Islamabad already has several types of these aircraft in operation, and the discussions have gone nowhere.

    Inaugurating a defence exhibition in the southern city of Karachi last week, Pakistani Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf indicated Islamabad would look for help from Beijing in response to US intransigence.

    “Pakistan can also benefit from China in defence collaboration, offsetting the undeclared technological apartheid,” said Mr Ashraf.

    Pakistan has also been working to develop armed drones on its own, said Pakistani military officials and civilians involved in the domestic drone industry, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because of the classified nature of the work.

    Pakistan first began weapons tests seven or eight months ago with the Falco, an Italian drone used by the Pakistani air force for surveillance that has been modified to carry rockets, said a civilian with knowledge of the secret program. The military is also conducting similar tests with the country's newest drone, the Shahpur, he said. An unarmed version of the Shahpur was unveiled for the first time at the Karachi exhibition.

    The weapons tests have been limited to a handful of aircraft, and no strikes have been carried out in combat, said the civilian.

    Pakistan lacks laser-guided missiles like the Hellfire used on US Predator and Reaper drones and the advanced targeting system that goes with it, so the military has been using unguided rockets that are much less accurate.

    While Hellfire missiles are said to have pinpoint accuracy, the rockets used by Pakistan have a margin of error of about 30 metres at best, and an unexpected gust of wind could take them 300 metres from their intended target, said the civilian. Even if Pakistan possessed Hellfires and the guidance system to use them, the missile's weight and drag would be a challenge for the small drones produced by the country.

    Pakistan's largest drone, the Shahpur, has a wingspan of about seven metres and can carry 50 kilograms. The US Predator, which can be equipped with two Hellfire missiles, has a wingspan more than twice that and a payload capacity over four times as great.

    Pakistani drones also have much more limited range than those produced in the US because they are operated based on “line of sight” using radio waves, rather than military satellites. The Shahpur has a maximum range of 250 kilometres, while the Predator can fly over five times that distance.

    The British newspaper The Guardian reported that Pakistan was working on an armed drone but did not provide details.

    The market for drones has exploded in Pakistan and other countries around the world in recent years, as shown by the array of aircraft on display at the defense exhibition in Karachi. Hoping to tap into a worldwide market worth billions of dollars a year, public and private companies wheeled out over a dozen drones that ranged in size from hand-held models meant to be carried in a backpack to larger aircraft like the Shahpur.

    All the Pakistani drones on display were advertised as unarmed and meant for surveillance only. One private company, Integrated Dynamics, even promotes its aircraft under the slogan “Drones for Peace.” But several models developed by the Chinese government were marketed as capable of carrying precision missiles and bombs.

    The Chinese government has offered to sell Pakistan an armed drone it has produced, the CH-3, which can carry two laser-guided missiles or bombs, industry insiders said.

    Also being offered to Pakistan is a more advanced drone, the CH-4, which closely resembles a US Reaper and can carry four laser-guided missiles or bombs, according to Li Xiaoli, a representative of the Chinese state-owned company that produces both the CH-3 and CH-4, Aerospace Long-march International Trade Co., Ltd.

    Pakistan has yet to purchase any armed Chinese drones because their capabilities have yet to be proven, but is likely to do so in the future, said the civilian with knowledge of the Pakistani military's drone program.

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    Let the dhoti shivering begin!!
     
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    Defcon 1 Senior Member Senior Member

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    This doesn't makes any sense. Drone strikes by the US are already very unpopular. Why would pakistan want to conduct drone strikes of its own and thus face the wrath of its people?
     
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    sayareakd Moderator Moderator

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    they want to use the tech against us, not against their own people.
     
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    They don't have GPS or laser guided missles and 50kg capacity is a threat only to large birds.
     
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    Unguided rocket from drones works like diwali flares if wind flows.
     
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    Isn't using armed drones against any country equal to declaring war on that country :hmm:
     
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    Not if drones are being flown from within that country :D
     
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    They are using tanks on some areas,it doesn't matter. They are fighting bad taliban ?
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    News from The Associated Press
     
  12. limit_sky

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    Indigenous Pakistani armed Drones will be used for Target Killing in Karachi, bombing Shia majority areas of Quetta and Political assassination of opposition leader and targeting long marches.

    Inspired by its utility some political party may use it as political symbol in the forthcoming elections.


    Err.... What? terrorists?.....................U.S drones are enough for them.

    Baaz & batak both fly.
     
  13. dhananjay1

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    We can always shoot some of them down and say they crossed the border. Let's see how many they can afford.
     
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    So this calls for modernization of our anti-aircraft guns. They have gotten pretty old.

    Hell No............ we not going to waste our SAMs on them.


    And neither we are as rich a country as our western neighbor to send a front line fighter to bring them down.
     
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