Pakistan required something like Marshal Plan: HolBrooke(50bn $)

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    WASHINGTON: The late US special envoy to Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, wanted Washington and the international community to commit $ 50 billion to stimulate Pakistan’s economic development and convinced former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of forging a strategic partnership with the country, says a new book by a former American official.

    The book “The Dispensable Nation: American Foreign Policy in Retreat”, by Vali Nasr, who served as advisor to Holbrooke at the State Department, offers a critique of the White House’s handling of the foreign policy issues under President Barack Obama’s first administration.
    To create a new narrative in US-Pakistan relations, Nasr writes, Holbrooke started by calling together a meeting in Tokyo of the newly created Friends of Democratic Pakistan, an international gathering to help Pakistan rebuild its economy and strengthen democratic politics.

    He got $5 billion in pledges to assist Pakistan. Nasr, who worked with Holbrooke until his death in December 2010, says Holbrooke hoped that the opening would garner even more by way of capital investment in Pakistan’s future. But if we wanted to change Pakistan, Holbrooke thought, we had to think even bigger, in terms of a Marshall Plan, Nasr recalls.

    After a journalist asked him whether the $5 billion in aid was too much for Pakistan, Holbrooke answered, “Pakistan needs $50 billion, not $5 billion.”

    For the White House the idea meant a fight with Congress and spending political capital to convince the American people, Nasr argues.
    “Above all else, it required an audacious foreign-policy gambit for which the Obama administration was simply not ready,” he claims.
    Nasr also points out in the book that in reality the United States was spending much more on Afghanistan that it devoted to Pakistan.
    “For every dollar we gave Pakistan in aid, we gave $20 to Afghanistan. That money did not go very far; it was like pouring water into sand. Even General Petraeus understood this. I recall him saying at a Pakistan meeting: “You get what you pay for. We have not paid much for much of anything in Pakistan.” In the end, Nasr says the U.S. settled for far more modest assistance.

    The 2009 Kerry-Lugar-Berman legislation earmarked $7.5 billion in aid to Pakistan over five years, the first long-term civilian aid package.
    “It was no Marshall Plan,” Nasr remarks. Holbrooke also believed the U.S. needed more aggressive diplomacy.

    “America had to talk to Pakistan frequently and not just about security issues that concerned the United States, but also about economic and social issues the Pakistanis cared about. So Holbrooke convinced Clinton that America had to offer a strategic partnership to Pakistan, built around a formal ‘strategic dialogue’ the kind of forum that America holds with a number of countries, including China and India,” he argues.
    Nasr, who is the dean of the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, writes that the US National Security Council at that time “wanted to do the State Department’s job but was not up to the task. It was no surprise that our AfPak policy took one step forward and two steps back.” He says despite efforts by Hillary Clinton, the US foreign policy was shaped by the security institutions who had a “predictably narrow and terrorism-focused” approach.

    A spokesperson described the relations between the State Department and the White House as excellent, when the issue was raised in the light of the book at the daily briefing. The spokesperson also defended progress made in Afghanistan.

    “We have an excellent working relationship with our White House and interagency colleagues and let me just tell you a little bit about where we are in Afghanistan, because some of the thrust of the book is talking about policy development on Afghanistan.

    ” We’ve increased the capacity of Afghan security forces to fight insurgents, transitioning Afghan security lead transitioning to an Afghan security lead, building an enduring partnership with Afghanistan,” acting deputy spokesman Patrick Ventrell told journalists.
    “We now have Afghan forces leading nearly 90 percent of operations across the country. We’ve signed the Strategic Partnership Agreement. We’re working on a new negotiating a new bilateral security agreement,” he added.

    “We’re working on preparations for a free, inclusive, and transparent election in 2014. So we really stand behind the record of the progress we’ve made in Afghanistan, but beyond that i’m not going to get into inter-agency discussions,” he said.

    Ventrell said the State Department regularly gives its input on foreign policy issues but added he would not characterize some sort of historical discussion about what happened in years past.

    Pakistan required something like Marshal Plan: HolBrooke – The Express Tribune
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    50billions USD to Pakistan

    we owe them not a penny less than 200billions..

    even though 50billions will change the pakistan within a year :D
     
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    Pak Afghan merger is the only solution for the instability. Once its done all problems would be internal and can be suppressed through Jirga and a string of compromises.
    @farhan_9909 Chinese have plans to invest around a 100B in Pakistan only if the govt, is transparent and corruption is curbed.
     
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    Why this US , Chinese or international community call it as AID to pakistan...It should quoted as donation to pakistan
     
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    farhan_9909 Tihar Jail Banned

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    And that is bound to happen be it in this decade or next

    i have already started spreading the merging rumours and spreading info related to Older pashtunistan in Bannu/Miranshah as well as among my friends :D

    about topic

    China as of 2012 has upto 200billions trade with middle east and growing.by 2020 it would atleast be 500billions while add 50-100billions from Central asia side.

    So the port is expected to have trade more than 500billions $ by 2020 and growing....

    After watching the Asad umar industrilization plans for Pakistan...no doubt when they are in power in just 5 years they will change the shape of Pakistan
     
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    Spreading rumours,misinformation and false propo-ganda like a typical Paki. :clobber:
     
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    that merger will totally devastate pakistan as the new population that pakistan will acquire will be largely feudal and rudimentary. so in terms of territory pakistan might add something but in financial terms it will suffer a lot to bring up that area upto anything like lahore or karachi. moreover free movement of afghanis in pakistan will further worsen law and order which will arise due to adjustment problems. in dwindling economy such measures will be a last step to disaster.
    just like in nuclear sciences we see during fission that a nuclei adds a neutron and gets bigger just to disintegrate later, same will be the fate of pakistan
     
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    The first logical step to achieve stability shall be that PA & ISI be answerable & in control of the elected government.
     
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    All Pakistan require is a Plebiscite.
     
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    Typical Pakistani SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT

    Pakis must have given Mr Holbrooke the best Afghan opium in order to make him
    their fan

    Good for India that Mr Holbrooke passed away
     
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    China would test the waters before placing their feet in it.
    Pakistan sure doesn't look like a place where one would want to put big bets.
    If at all it happened, it will be at the cost of whatever remaining sovereignty they have left.

    Merger with Afghanistan doesn't seem possible with the present lot of Afghans roaming in that country.
    Though further partition may be a possibility.

    Regards,
    Virendra
     
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    Martial pan was a comprehensive investment on the infrastructure and economics of defeated Axist countries.like Japan, Germany , as well as war ravaged western Europe. The difference between them and failing states like Pakistan is the massive difference in literacy, (even in 1946, Japan's literacy rate was near 100%. Things were similar in most allied and axist nations),and massive corporate behemoths like Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Toshiba, Mitsubishi were prominent entities even back then. That was the reason they could be back on their own feet in no time.

    Now, Pakistan has not much of a private sector to speak of even today. Her literacy rate is actually falling , a rare feat among nations.Secular education is falling apart even as we speak. The most notable private sector entities belong to the fauji foundation. The speaks volumes of the level of development of domestic economy. She is hopelessly dependent on American largesse, trinkets and baubles. The amount of money invested on the country is many times more than the total amount of money given as martial plan.

    And one important fact, Martial plan spending was a loan, which every country paid on time. With the current financial maladies Pakistan is facing paying for the routine debt service payment for IMF, can America afford spend another countless billions , in today's time of fiscal cliff?
     
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    Beg but demand begging is the state of the art for Pakistan keep it up:hail:
     
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    Martial plan was Holbrooke's idea before he realised the Pakistani perfidy. He was a changed man when he died.
     
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    I would not support 50 billion for Pakistan, I dont think any amount of money will make it a better place. Its too backward, too retarded, too corrupt, too barbaric and you cant change people that are religious nuts. As far as I am concerned to hell with them.
     
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    I think 50 billion is too low maybe 100 bilion would be better.
     
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    also, I heard that Britain is even formally known as Future's "North Pakistan", is there any news on the side of unification with UK? how much is the population of Pakistanis+Bangladeshis in UK now days? we heard its rising with a fast pace?... :thumb:

     
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