Pakistan one of the least racist countries in the world: Survey

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  1. Neo

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    Pakistan one of the least racist countries in the world: Survey
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    Map of the world's most and least racially tolerant countries. The blue countries are more tolerant while the red countries are less racially tolerant. PHOTO: WASHINGTON POST


    Click to enlarge. Data source: World Values Survey

    Update: A professor who studies race and ethnic conflict responds to this map.

    When two Swedish economists set out to examine whether economic freedom made people any more or less racist, they knew how they would gauge economic freedom, but they needed to find a way to measure a country's level of racial tolerance. So they turned to something called the World Values Survey, which has been measuring global attitudes and opinions for decades.

    Among the dozens of questions that World Values asks, the Swedish economists found one that, they believe, could be a pretty good indicator of tolerance for other races. The survey asked respondents in more than 80 different countries to identify kinds of people they would not want as neighbors. Some respondents, picking from a list, chose "people of a different race." The more frequently that people in a given country say they don't want neighbors from other races, the economists reasoned, the less racially tolerant you could call that society. (The study concluded that economic freedom had no correlation with racial tolerance, but it does appear to correlate with tolerance toward homosexuals.)

    Unfortunately, the Swedish economists did not include all of the World Values Survey data in their final research paper. So I went back to the source, compiled the original data and mapped it out on the infographic above. In the bluer countries, fewer people said they would not want neighbors of a different race; in red countries, more people did.

    If we treat this data as indicative of racial tolerance, then we might conclude that people in the bluer countries are the least likely to express racist attitudes, while the people in red countries are the most likely.

    Compare the results to this map of the world's most and least diverse countries.

    Before we dive into the data, a couple of caveats. First, it's entirely likely that some people lied when answering this question; it would be surprising if they hadn't. But the operative question, unanswerable, is whether people in certain countries were more or less likely to answer the question honestly. For example, while the data suggest that Swedes are more racially tolerant than Finns, it's possible that the two groups are equally tolerant but that Finns are just more honest. The willingness to state such a preference out loud, though, might be an indicator of racial attitudes in itself. Second, the survey is not conducted every year; some of the results are very recent and some are several years old, so we're assuming the results are static, which might not be the case.

    Here's what the data show:

    • Anglo and Latin countries most tolerant. People in the survey were most likely to embrace a racially diverse neighbor in the United Kingdom and its Anglo former colonies (the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and in Latin America. The only real exceptions were oil-rich Venezuela, where income inequality sometimes breaks along racial lines, and the Dominican Republic, perhaps because of its adjacency to troubled Haiti. Scandinavian countries also scored high.

    • India and Jordan by far the least tolerant. In only two of 81 surveyed countries, more than 40 percent of respondents said they would not want a neighbor of a different race. This included 43.5 percent of Indians and 51.4 percent of Jordanian. (Note: World Values’ data for Bangladesh and Hong Kong appear to have been inverted, with in fact only 28.3 and 26.8 percent, respectively, having indicated they would not want a neighbor of a different race. Please see correction at the bottom of this post.)

    • Wide, interesting variation across Europe. Immigration and national identity are big, touchy issues in much of Europe, where racial make-ups are changing. Though you might expect the richer, better-educated Western European nations to be more tolerant than those in Eastern Europe, that's not exactly the case. France appeared to be one of the least racially tolerant countries on the continent, with 22.7 percent saying they didn't want a neighbor of another race. Former Soviet states such as Belarus and Latvia scored as more tolerant than much of Europe. Many in the Balkans, perhaps after years of ethnicity-tinged wars, expressed lower racial tolerance.

    • The Middle East not so tolerant. Immigration is also a big issue in this region, particularly in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which often absorb economic migrants from poorer neighbors.

    • Racial tolerance low in diverse Asian countries. Nations such as Indonesia and the Philippines, where many racial groups often jockey for influence and have complicated histories with one another, showed more skepticism of diversity. This was also true, to a lesser extent, in China and Kyrgyzstan. There were similar trends in parts of sub-Saharan Africa.

    • South Korea, not very tolerant, is an outlier. Although the country is rich, well-educated, peaceful and ethnically homogenous – all trends that appear to coincide with racial tolerance – more than one in three South Koreans said they do not want a neighbor of a different race. This may have to do with Korea's particular view of its own racial-national identity as unique – studied by scholars such as B.R. Myers – and with the influx of Southeast Asian neighbors and the nation's long-held tensions with Japan.

    Pakistan, remarkably tolerant, also an outlier. Although the country has a number of factors that coincide with racial intolerance – sectarian violence, its location in the least-tolerant region of the world, low economic and human development indices – only 6.5 percent of Pakistanis objected to a neighbor of a different race. This would appear to suggest Pakistanis are more racially tolerant than even the Germans or the Dutch.

    Update: I've heard some version of one question from an overwhelming number of readers: "I've met lots of Indians and Americans and found the former more racially tolerant than the latter. How can these results possibly be correct?" I'd suggest three possible explanations for this, some combination of which may or may not be true. First, both India and the U.S. are enormous countries; anecdotal interactions are not representative of the whole, particularly given that people who are wealthy enough to travel internationally may be likely to encounter some subsets of these respective populations more than others.

    Second, the survey question gets to internal, personal preferences; what the respondents want. One person's experiences hanging out with Americans or Indians, in addition to being anecdotal, only tell you about their outward behavior. Both of those ways of observing racial attitudes might suggest something about racial tolerance, but they're different indicators that measure different things, which could help explain how one might contradict the other.

    Third, the survey question is a way of judging racial tolerance but, like many social science metrics, is indirect and imperfect. I cited the hypothetical about Swedes and Finns at the top of this post, noting that perhaps some people are just more honest about their racial tolerance than others. It's entirely possible that we're seeing some version of this effect in the U.S.-India comparison; maybe, for example, Americans are conditioned by their education and media to keep these sorts of racial preferences private, i.e. to lie about them on surveys, in a way that Indians might not be. That difference would be interesting in itself, but alas there is no survey question for honesty.

    Correction: This post originally indicated that, according to the World Values Survey, 71.7 percent of Bangladeshis and 71.8 percent of Hong Kongers had said that they would not want a neighbor of a different race. In fact, those numbers appear to be substantially lower, 28.3 percent and 26.8 percent, respectively. In both cases, World Values appears to have erroneously posted the incorrect data on its Web site. Ashirul Amin, posting at the Tufts University Fletcher School’s emerging markets blog, looked into the data for Bangladesh and discovered the mistake. My thanks to Amin, who is Bangladeshi and was able to read the original questionnaire, for pointing this out. His analysis is worth reading in full, but here’s his conclusion:

    The short answer is, yes, someone did fat finger this big time. "Yes" and "No" got swapped in the second round of the survey, which means that 28.3% of Bangladeshis said they wouldn’t want neighbors of a different race – not 71.7%.

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    Amin adds, “Bangladeshis are a tolerant bunch — it’s ok to come visit.” The error in the Hong Kong data, first discovered by Chinese-speaking users on Reddit, was flagged by Engadget Chinese editor Richard Lai. Ng Chun Hung, a University of Hong Kong professor who was the principal investigator on World Values' survey there, confirmed via e-mail that the data had been transposed on the survey company's Web site. He added that he has written the World Values Survey team to alert it to this and ask it to remove the faulty data. My thanks to him, as well as to Lai and the Reddit users who dug through original Chinese-language survey forms to demonstrate the error.


    Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
     
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  3. vayuu1

    vayuu1 Regular Member

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    U need races to go to pak to judge if they are tolerant or not, but no surprises regarding India, especially us northies have earned a bad reputation mocking other races.
     
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    With 99% Muslims in pak and 99% no go areas , racism kitho hona
     
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    Racism is a sophisticated discrimination in today's context.

    In Pakistan you do not need such sophisticated ways to discriminate others; they simply blow each other up.
     
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    Dark Sorrow Respected Member Senior Member

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    I think the study is flawed. Your preference of neighbor doesn't make you more racist or less racist. Its your preference.
    Also the sample space of data is not specified.
    Greatest example is France. France is almost as racist as India. France is extremely racist even towards its Algerian/Libyan population while not talking about Muslim population which is teated with third class citizenship.
     
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    What the hell !
    Pakistan is a cesspool of same kind/variety of people. This survey is completely not applicable on Pakistan.
    Whereas India is a place of multiple castes but not multiple races. This survey is not applicable on India either.
     
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    Obviously, killing dark black short bengalis by millions of their own country, target killings of ethnically diffent bloch, suppressing sindhi independence movement, killing of pashtuns, annihilating kashmiris in POK, lynichying ahmedis on a daily basis and terming them kafirs under the constitution, don't even wanna mention the plight of shias etc etc does not amount to racism, as it done on fellow muslims....no doubt pakistan is the least racist and most tolerant towards terrorism, being epitome of terror!! great job done by the paid analysts!! ;)
     
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    Answer is simple, no other races are left in pakhanaland for discrimination except brainwashed jihadis. :taunt:
     
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    'When it happens to all it happens to none'. This explains the survey finding for Pakistan very well.
     
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    I have seen better joke than this
     
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    Good to see that active blasphemy laws to eliminate those who are muhajirs, Hindus, Christians and Shias in Pakistan make it stand out in global rankings!
     
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    Mods - @tarunraju @Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    This kind of articles is exactly what I was referring to when I mentioned Pakis trying to use DFI to build their own global image.

    Note the date of publishing :


    A fascinating map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries

    By Max Fisher May 15, 2013


    The article which @Neo posted is from May 2013. Do note that @Neo never mentioned the date once.

    It was posted yesterday clearly to show Pakis in good light in view of the intolerance propaganda that is going in India.

    Would request mods to take such disinformation propaganda by Pakis seriously.

    No real value addition is being done except trying to show Pakistan in good light by conveniently copy pasting old articles and conflating with current geo political climate.
     
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    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    I personally don't think that closing such threads is a good idea unless there are too many such threads. If the threads are few, it is better to counter the arguments presented in the article.
     
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    IMHO there is no point discussing some rag tag survey from 2013. Thanks @thethinker
     
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    A warning may be valid if this is the type of nonsense we Indian DFI members have to deal with from Pakis here.

    @Neo posts disinformation on a regular basis.

    Exhibit 1 :

    This thread on Gilgit-Baltistan where @Neo claimed the image as that of KKH, Gilgit-Baltistan :

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ans-hidden-paradise.69999/page-3#post-1073080

    But was actually from Himachal Pradesh, India :

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ans-hidden-paradise.69999/page-3#post-1073135

    Exhibit 2 :

    Posting news from ISI propaganda websites which neither are genuine nor verified :

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-mulla-fazalulla-patronage.66239/#post-993179


    Time and again, threads opened by @Neo are either self-congratulatory from Paki media, some speculative news about development/progress in Pakistan which goes silent after a while or simply anti-India related.

    No real value addition except calling out Paki b.s really.
     
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    I think the value added is that if someone googles a particular news item, they might land up on DFI, where the propaganda is dissected and the counter narrative is presented with more facts.
     
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    Surprisingly Sudan, which conducted a government sponsored ethnic cleansing against the black muslims, is coloured more tolerant that India ....

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Darfur
     
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    haha, what diversity do they have to even qualify for such a statistical survey ??:notsure:
     

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