Reply to Kasrkin
Hello Kasrkin,
First of all, welcome to the Forum. I read your posts with great interest on ********** (I must say that I disagreed with most of your views), though I have not joined that forum myself. I particularly enjoy your bouts with Captain S2
Aren't you an artillery officer? You might want the mods to set you up with the Military Professionals designations.
Ok, now back to the discussion:
Here is an offer: if you anything concrete on Indian activities to promote terrorism (as against simple espionage and intelligence gathering, which I am sure happens), please shout it from the rooftops across the world. Believe it or not, I absolutely do not want India to give any assistance to those thugs you refer to as the Bad Taliban (as opposed to the Good Taliban to who terrorise the afghanis instead of the Pakistanis). I would like to believe that we have moral superiority over you in this regard
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That said, there are many here who would like to actually debate with you, not hurl useless diatribes...
Hello Kasrkin,
First of all, welcome to the Forum. I read your posts with great interest on ********** (I must say that I disagreed with most of your views), though I have not joined that forum myself. I particularly enjoy your bouts with Captain S2
Aren't you an artillery officer? You might want the mods to set you up with the Military Professionals designations.
Ok, now back to the discussion:
I have come across multiple references about India's involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan, always without any proof. Ok, I take that back. There was proof - uncircumcised penises!!! Apart from that, there has been NO proof available from your side about the involvement of India. Now please don't drag in here the joint statement that says PM Gilani is worried about Baluchistsan or about the dossier of proof that somehow disappeared.And here we are, with decent and well educated individuals, cheering India’s illegal and covert subversive activities in sovereign Pakistani territory. Activities, that Pakistan say, are already well underway. If this is how India makes ‘grounds for peace’ then peace will remain elusive.
Here is an offer: if you anything concrete on Indian activities to promote terrorism (as against simple espionage and intelligence gathering, which I am sure happens), please shout it from the rooftops across the world. Believe it or not, I absolutely do not want India to give any assistance to those thugs you refer to as the Bad Taliban (as opposed to the Good Taliban to who terrorise the afghanis instead of the Pakistanis). I would like to believe that we have moral superiority over you in this regard
What, in effect, you are saying, is that Pakistan does not have the capability to act against the activities of banned/ illegal groups within the Pakistani territory. I don't know whether I should view this with incredulity or sadness. Especially in light of the fact that Pakistan fell over herself to take action on the Lal Masjid students on the insistence of the ChineseThese groups have been banned, their leadership; propaganda, recruiting and financial operations has been forced underground. They still, however, exercise considerable influence and power, especially in Azad Kashmir, but in parts of Punjab as well. These people are part of the population, they enjoy support from the population, and what is more is that they avoid confrontation with the Pakistani state, which makes it harder to identify and act against them
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HOW CHINESE ANGER FORCED MUSHARRAF TO ACT AGAINST LAL MASJIDJune 27, 2007: The Chinese Xinhua news agency reported as follows: "China on Tuesday (June 26, 2007) asked Pakistan to take further measures for the security of the Chinese people and businesses in the South Asian country. "We hope Pakistan will look into the terrorist attacks aiming at Chinese people and organizations as soon as possible and severely punish the criminals," the Chinese Minister of Public Security Zhou Yongkang told visiting Pakistani Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao. Sherpao's visit came days after seven abducted Chinese --a couple and five of their women employees-- were got released in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad Saturday (June 23, 2007) night. They had been taken away from their residence in Islamabad early Saturday morning by Lal Masjid students. While appreciating the support of the Pakistani Government on helping get the kidnapped Chinese released, Zhou said China expected Pakistan to take active measures to ensure the personal and property security of Chinese working in the country. In response, Sherpao said Pakistan will take more rigorous actions to safeguard the security of Chinese people and organizations in Pakistan."
June 29, 2007: The "Daily Times" of Lahore wrote in an editorial as follows: "During his visit to Beijing, Sherpao got an earful from the Chinese Minister of Public Security, Zhou Yongkang, who asked Pakistan for the umpteenth time to protect Chinese nationals working in Pakistan. The reference was to the assault and kidnapping of Chinese citizens in Islamabad by the Lal Masjid vigilantes. The Chinese Minister called the Lal Masjid mob terrorists who targeted the Chinese, and asked Pakistan to punish the criminals. Mr Sherpao, who must have regretted being in Beijing, lamely rejoined that Pakistan would take more rigorous action to safeguard the security of Chinese people and organisations in Pakistan.
And yet you do not see it odd that the ISI and the military establishment tell India that we had better talk to them too, as they make foreign policy too. So which power center should we actually talk to?The present Pakistani Chief of the Army Staff does not countenance anything other than Pakistani `popular' support for the Kashmiris, which is, understandably, widespread. There is no question of his
allowing the current ISI Director General to engage in covert operations in support of Kashmiri separatists. Replacement of about 40 senior and middle-ranking ISI officers who were involved in such operations is evidence of the ISI being brought back on the rails of relatively conventional intelligence activities.
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The Hindu : Front Page : ISI chief to India: talk to us, we make policy tooISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI: Days before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yusuf Raza Gilani met in Egypt, the head of the Inter-Services Intelligence floated a suggestion that India deal not just with Pakistan’s civilian government but also directly with its Army and intelligence agency.
Lt. Gen. Shuja Pasha made the out-of-the-box overture during a meeting earlier this month with the three Indian defence advisers representing the Indian Army, Navy and Air Force attached to the Indian High Commission in Islamabad, The Hindu has learnt.
Given that you moderate a board which has people saying that Indians are veggie suckers, that they would like to bathe in the blood of Indians and that the "Good Taliban" should send the "yankee pricks" home in body bags, thats either disingenuos or just plain naive.I feel ashamed replying to your posts. This level of racism has left a sour taste in my mouth.
That said, there are many here who would like to actually debate with you, not hurl useless diatribes...