Pakistan Military Intel makes list of Shias for Deobandis to kill

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In Pakistan, Military Intelligence makes list of Shia professionals, Deobandi militants shoot them
In Pakistan, Military Intelligence makes list of Shia professionals, Deobandi militants shoot them | Let Us Build Pakistan

Surveillance, verification and investigation of the print and electronic media commenced two months ago in Lahore by the MI, confirm journalists while reacting to The News report, "MI goes from door-to-door to get information on journalists", said one. A similar door-to-door exercise commenced in Rawalpindi on Tuesday.

"I live in the Shaheen Colony of Walton, Lahore Cantt, and I have noticed the movement of suspicious people around my house at different time during the last week. A few days ago, two men on a motorcycle came to my locality and sought information about me and my family. They contacted a local shopkeeper and asked questions about me and my family including whether I am Shia or not, etc.

"On Sunday, a motorcyclist chased my car in the Cavalry Ground area", says Tanveer Shehzad who works in the Urdu section of Radio Deutsche Welle. He is also the elected President of the Electronic Media Reporters Association. He told The News that this happened about two months ago and the questions being asked were similar to the ones posed to The News. "My family is still shaken. By the grace of God, I, as a professional journalist, have a long neat and clean career and never involved in any kind of illegal activity", he added.

The Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) in Lahore was approached by several other journalists who were also being harassed with a similar questionnaire shown to The News. "We requested them to look into this matter as we are ready to face any kind of investigations if there is any thing objectionable on our part.

The News was also informed that some journalists have taken the questionnaire in stride and filled the two pages written in Urdu. Journalists of a Lahore based television channel were given this form and it was duly filled by them.

"We had no other option. We were told by the management that we had to fill the form and we obliged", says one journalist from the channel."But in a latest development, I came to know that same situation is also happened with some other Lahore based journalists including a Geo TV reporter. We are consulting with journalist friends and are also in contact with Punjab Union of Journalists and Lahore Press Club. We have increased our vigilance level and hope the situation will be better soon", says another journalist from Lahore who did not want to be identified.

Senior journalist Ishrat Hyat, working in The News, and writing on non-political issues, says that a similar exercise took place at her residence in Rawalpindi, when she was out of town.

Mariana Baabar, The News, December 06, 2012. MI also collecting data of Lahore journalists. MI also collecting data of Lahore journalists - thenews.com.pk

The Military Intelligence (MI) has initiated a country wide exercise, where they are knocking at the doors of journalists and columnists seeking help in providing them details about themselves in a two-page form in Urdu, for what they say is a verification process. The News saw the names of nearly a hundred well known media personalities, including women journalists who live on their own and even included one columnist who is a sitting member of Parliament.

Selected journalists and columnists stationed in Rawalpindi come under 10 Corps, say MI officials and a two-member team is assigned to gather personal details from these journalists, including four journalists presently working with The News.

This correspondent was approached by two polite officials on Tuesday, who identified themselves from the MI and said that they had visited several times before, but were told that the correspondent was away.

The MI, according to Wikipedia, is "tasked with operations, identifying and eliminating sleeper cells, foreign agents and other anti-Pakistani elements within Pakistan", so it is mind-boggling which category the media comes under. The MI is currently headed by a two-star general, Major-General Naushad Ahmed Kayani, nominated by the COAS himself.

After reading dozens of questions which had to be answered, this correspondent wrote at the end of the questionnaire, in space provided for remarks, " As a working journalist, the Constitution and the laws of the land do not oblige me to provide the Military Intelligence with such personal and intimate information".

Though the questionnaire was presented under the garb of ensuring 'security clearance' for events hosted by the Pakistan military, it was clear that it was much, much more than that.

It is indeed shocking at the details that the MI is interested in. Apart from the journalist's name, father's name, CNIC number and other details easily available from Nadra, it was also obligatory to specify one's religion and whether one was a Sunni or Shia. If you wished to put Islam in the desired column it was not enough.Details were needed whether one had any strong affiliation with any religious group and if one had been involved in any illegal activity.

According to Wikipedia, the MI directorate is composed of Air Intelligence (AI) of Air Force, Naval Intelligence (Navy), Army Intelligence (Pakistan Army), and the Directorate for Marine Intelligence of the Marines. However, the MI is part of the Army and reports directly to the chief of army staff. And, the Army has appointed its officers to lead the agency. Pakistan's Military Intelligence (MI) is one of the three main intelligence services in Pakistan.

MI goes door-to-door to get information on journalists. By Mariana Baabar. The News. December 05, 2012. MI goes door-to-door to get information on journalists - thenews.com.pk

Context: Target killing of Shia professionals

As a part of the Shia genocide, at least 20,000 Shia Muslims have been killed in Pakistan by Pakistan army-sponsored Deobandi militant groups (Taliban, Sipah Sahaba). At least 200 medical doctors, hundreds of other professionals including teachers, journalists, lawyers, engineers, police officers, poets, businesspersons and others have been killed. Their only crime? They follow the Shia sect of Islam.

Amnesty International's Report on target killing of Shia doctors in Pakistan
Amnesty International's Report on target killing of Shia doctors in Pakistan�|�LUBP

Only in one month (November 2012), more than 80 Shia Muslims were killed in Pakistan by Takfiri Deobandi terrorists.

The central media cell of Majlis-e-Wehdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM) on Saturday said 80 Shiites had been killed in the month of November 2012 in numerous acts of terrorism and targeted attacks across Pakistan.In its monthly report issued, MWM said twenty-eight Shiites were martyred in Sindh province, of them 26 were murdered in targeted attacks in Karachi alone. Two Shiites were martyred in attack on Ashura procession in Khairpur district.Twenty-seven Shiites were martyred in the Punjab province. Twenty three Shiites were martyred due to suicidal attack on Moharram mourning procession in Rawalpindi. Grenades were also hurled and firing was also launched before suicide attacks. Four Shiites were martyred in Sargodha district.In Balochistan province, 14 Shia Muslims were martyred. Among them nine were attacked in Quetta. Four more were targeted in the Hub city.Eleven Shiites were martyred in Khyber-Pukhtoonkhwa pro-vince. Ten of them were martyred in two attacks on 9th of Moharram and Ashura processions in Dera Ismail Khan.The report further said that despite the tall claims made by the government, it had failed to arrest a network of terrorists involved in the genocide of Shiite in Pakistan. 80 Shia killed in Pakistan in Nov: MWM

The phenomenon has been described as Shia genocide by various media outlets including Al Jazeera, Dawn, Daily Times, Press TV and Express Tribune.

Pakistan's Shia genocide - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

As an outcome of army-sponsored anti-Shia violence in Pakistan, now ordinary Shia Muslims have started receiving threatening messages via SMS.

Shias, targeted in numerous explosions and target killings, are now receiving death threat text messages on cellphones ahead of a key event in their religious calendar that has been tainted by violence in the past. "Kill, Kill, Shias," say the text warnings to members of the minority sect. Hardline Sunni Deobandi groups (Sipah Sahaba and Taliban) linked to al Qaeda have in recent months stepped up attacks against Shias, whom they regard as non-Muslims.

Shias in Pakistan receive death threat text messages – The Express Tribune

The following articles offer evidence of Pakistan army's support to Deobandi and Wahhabi militant groups many of whom are actively involved in Shia genocide.
But hey wasn't Djinnah a Shia?? How this happen?? In Pakhanastan....
 
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You know if in any religion there are prophets who fight for "land" that can only be found in islam :D Speaks volumes about their traditions.
I think that is not the correct perspective.

It is not a fight for land.

In Islam there are no Prophets. There is only ONE Prophet, no matter which form of Islam one is following, though the Ahmediyas have another interpretation, if I am not mistaken.

It is a question that has historical complexities and cannot be analysed with one single categorical statement.

It is a question of succession to put it as simplistically possible, though that is not entirely a non debatable summation.

Further, in all religions schisms are there that resulted in divisions because of interpretations.

No religion is free from it.

At best, it is more aggressively upfront in Islam.

Maybe that is why the Pak military of a Sunni majority country wishes to take on the rival interpretation since they lack the numbers.

In Pakistan the boundaries separating the Military and the State is blurred.

Let us debate without causing rancour and heartburns, if you will.

As it is said, Easy does it!

Thank you!
 
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God needs no religion! let Man be without God ,Will God be without Servants then? Who will serve God and why do God needs to be served?, If God is God who needs Servants then where is the Godliness??
 

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Who cares!!!! let them kill each other :)
 

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I think that is not the correct perspective.

It is not a fight for land.

In Islam there are no Prophets. There is only ONE Prophet, no matter which form of Islam one is following, though the Ahmediyas have another interpretation, if I am not mistaken.
I am no expert on Islam, but I believe in Islam, Moses, Jesus and possibly Abraham are also considered to be prophets and Muhammad is accepted as the final Prophet.

Separately there is a concept of Imams, but these are not Prophets as far as I know.

Can some of our knowledgeable members confirm this?
 

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Wow -----stan is a textbook example of a deranged twin, an army state, not just a police state. It's becoming more and more like some lawless African country except with nukes. :shocked:
 

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I am no expert on Islam, but I believe in Islam, Moses, Jesus and possibly Abraham are also considered to be prophets and Muhammad is accepted as the final Prophet.

Separately there is a concept of Imams, but these are not Prophets as far as I know.

Can some of our knowledgeable members confirm this?
True that for first para. Add Adam and Noah.
The order is Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Moosa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), Mohammed( SAW) in that order.

Yes and no for second. The concept of Imam is there among Shias and not Sunnis.
 

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I am no expert on Islam, but I believe in Islam, Moses, Jesus and possibly Abraham are also considered to be prophets and Muhammad is accepted as the final Prophet.

Separately there is a concept of Imams, but these are not Prophets as far as I know.

Can some of our knowledgeable members confirm this?
True that for first para. Add Adam and Noah.
The order is Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Moosa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), Mohammed( SAW) in that order.

Yes and no for second. The concept of Imam is there among Shias and not Sunnis.
Line of Prophets or 'nabi' start with Adhaam (Adam) and ends with Mohammed. Islam believes that it was the original religion introduced by God and later corrupted by men.
The difference between Islam and Judaism from the point of view of Prophets is that Judaism also believes in a lot of prophets but it believes that the final prophet is yet to come. Christianity believes that the final prophet is Jesus.
You missed a few prophets @Yusuf like Ishmael, Yakob, I think.
 
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Line of Prophets or 'nabi' start with Adhaam (Adam) and ends with Mohammed. Islam believes that it was the original religion introduced by God and later corrupted by men.
The difference between Islam and Judaism from the point of view of Prophets is that Judaism also believes in a lot of prophets but it believes that the final prophet is yet to come. Christianity believes that the final prophet is Jesus.
You missed a few prophets @Yusuf like Ishmael, Yakob, I think.
Islam has 124,000 prophets BTW. There is a classification of prophets. The six prophets I listed are "core" so to speak.

Even Solomon (Suleiman in Islam), David (Dawood) Jacob (Yahya) Joseph (Yusuf) etc are prophets.
 
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Islam has 124,000 prophets BTW. There is a classification of prophets. The six prophets I listed are "core" so to speak.

Even Solomon (Suleiman in Islam), David (Dawood) Jacob (Yahya) Joseph (Yusuf) etc are prophets.
Out of curiosity, isn't Yahya a modification or cognate of Yaweh, the Hebrew for God?
 

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I am no expert on Islam, but I believe in Islam, Moses, Jesus and possibly Abraham are also considered to be prophets and Muhammad is accepted as the final Prophet.

Separately there is a concept of Imams, but these are not Prophets as far as I know.

Can some of our knowledgeable members confirm this?

You are right.

What does the Qur'an say about the prophets?:

"The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

What prophets are named in the Qur'an?:

There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an, although Muslims believe that there were many more in different times and places. Among the prophets that Muslims honor are:
Adam
Idris (Enoch)
Nuh (Noah)
Hud
Saleh
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Isma'il (Ishmael)
Ishaq (Isaac)
Lut (Lot)
Ya'qub (Jacob)
Yousef (Joseph)
Shu'aib
Ayyub (Job)
Musa (Moses)
Harun (Aaron)
Dhu'l-kifl (Ezekiel)
Dawud (David)
Sulaiman (Solomon)
Ilias (Elias)
Al-Yasa (Elisha)
Yunus (Jonah)
Zakariyya (Zechariah)
Yahya (John)
'Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad
How do Muslims honor the prophets?:

Muslims read about, learn from, and respect all of the prophets. Many Muslims name their children after them. In addition, when mentioning the name of any of God's prophets, a Muslim adds these words of blessing and respect: "upon him be peace" (alayhi salaam in Arabic).

Islamic Prophets - Prophets of Islam
 

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Out of curiosity, isn't Yahya a modification or cognate of Yaweh, the Hebrew for God?
Yahya (John the Baptist) being a prophet of Islam.

Prophet Yahya (PBUH)

Yahya (John the Baptist) was the son of Prophet Zakariyya (peace be upon him). His birth was a miracle because. He was born of a barren mother and an aged father. In the fagging part of life Prophet Zakariya (peace be upon him) prayed to Allah to bless him with a son who could prove to be a successful heir and preacher of the religion of Allah. His prayer was promptly granted. The Holy Quran says:

"0' Zakariya! Lo! We bring you a glad tidings of a son whose name is Yahya. We have given the same name to none before him.'' (Surah 19: Verse 7)

The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was dedicated to the noble work of leading men to the path of salvation. He exhorted his people to have unstinted faith in God. He moved among the humble and despised sofe raiment. He was not arrogant. He spent most of his life in wilderness. He was pure and devout. He was dutiful towards his parents. The Holy Quran says:

"(And it was said unto his son) 0' John! Hold fast the scripture. And We gave him wisdom when he was a child! And compassion from Our presence and punity, and he was devout. And dutiful towards his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious. Peace on him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he shall be raised alive.'' (Surah 19: Verse 12-15 )

The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) moved to the desert of Judea. He dressed himself in a robe made of camel hair. He ate simple food and wild honey. His sermons were most impressive and people flocked to hear his trumpet message. The whole of the Jordan valley was baptized due to his preaching. The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was the precursor of Prophet Isa (Jesus Christ). He was his cousin and contemporary as well. His fidelity to his mission as a preacher soon deprived him of his liberty and subsequently his life.

The Roman Ruler Herod Antipas was the ruler of Galilee. He had an adulterous relations with Herodias, the wife of his brother Herod Philip. The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) reproached him for this grave sin. Herod Antipas got annoyed and imprisoned him till his execution. Once Herod Antipas arranged a grand feast. Herodias allowed her daughter, Salome to dance.

The Ruler was fascinated with the performance of the dancing girl. He declared that he would grant whatever Salome wanted. She immediately made a demand for the head of Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him). Herod was in a fix what to do. He had no alternative to adhere to his words. So Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was beheaded at the instigation of the mother of that girl with whom Herod was infatuated. His grave is in Umayyah Mosque in Syria.

itsIslam - Articles - Stories of Prophets - Prophet Yahya (PBUH) (John the Baptist)
 

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Now, could we get back to the thread?

When one meanders into religion, can we say what we want to say with a little bit of finesse and quote from links so that misunderstandings and rancour is minimised, if not totally non existent?
 
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