Pakistan Military Intel makes list of Shias for Deobandis to kill

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  1. arkem8

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    In Pakistan, Military Intelligence makes list of Shia professionals, Deobandi militants shoot them
    In Pakistan, Military Intelligence makes list of Shia professionals, Deobandi militants shoot them | Let Us Build Pakistan

    But hey wasn't Djinnah a Shia?? How this happen?? In Pakhanastan....
     
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    VatsaOfBhrigus Tihar Jail Banned

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    You know if in any religion there are prophets who fight for "land" that can only be found in islam :D Speaks volumes about their traditions.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    I think that is not the correct perspective.

    It is not a fight for land.

    In Islam there are no Prophets. There is only ONE Prophet, no matter which form of Islam one is following, though the Ahmediyas have another interpretation, if I am not mistaken.

    It is a question that has historical complexities and cannot be analysed with one single categorical statement.

    It is a question of succession to put it as simplistically possible, though that is not entirely a non debatable summation.

    Further, in all religions schisms are there that resulted in divisions because of interpretations.

    No religion is free from it.

    At best, it is more aggressively upfront in Islam.

    Maybe that is why the Pak military of a Sunni majority country wishes to take on the rival interpretation since they lack the numbers.

    In Pakistan the boundaries separating the Military and the State is blurred.

    Let us debate without causing rancour and heartburns, if you will.

    As it is said, Easy does it!

    Thank you!
     
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    God needs no religion! let Man be without God ,Will God be without Servants then? Who will serve God and why do God needs to be served?, If God is God who needs Servants then where is the Godliness??
     
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    Who cares!!!! let them kill each other :)
     
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    I am no expert on Islam, but I believe in Islam, Moses, Jesus and possibly Abraham are also considered to be prophets and Muhammad is accepted as the final Prophet.

    Separately there is a concept of Imams, but these are not Prophets as far as I know.

    Can some of our knowledgeable members confirm this?
     
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    Wow -----stan is a textbook example of a deranged twin, an army state, not just a police state. It's becoming more and more like some lawless African country except with nukes. :shocked:
     
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    True that for first para. Add Adam and Noah.
    The order is Adam, Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Moosa (Moses), Isa (Jesus), Mohammed( SAW) in that order.

    Yes and no for second. The concept of Imam is there among Shias and not Sunnis.
     
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    Line of Prophets or 'nabi' start with Adhaam (Adam) and ends with Mohammed. Islam believes that it was the original religion introduced by God and later corrupted by men.
    The difference between Islam and Judaism from the point of view of Prophets is that Judaism also believes in a lot of prophets but it believes that the final prophet is yet to come. Christianity believes that the final prophet is Jesus.
    You missed a few prophets @Yusuf like Ishmael, Yakob, I think.
     
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    Islam has 124,000 prophets BTW. There is a classification of prophets. The six prophets I listed are "core" so to speak.

    Even Solomon (Suleiman in Islam), David (Dawood) Jacob (Yahya) Joseph (Yusuf) etc are prophets.
     
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    Out of curiosity, isn't Yahya a modification or cognate of Yaweh, the Hebrew for God?
     
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    No I think that is Jehovah and nothing to do with Yahya
     
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    You are right.

    What does the Qur'an say about the prophets?:

    "The Messenger believes in what has been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one of them believes in God, His angels, His books, and His Messengers. They say: 'We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers.' And they say: 'We hear, and we obey. We seek Thy forgiveness, Our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.'" (Al-Baqarah, 2:285)

    What prophets are named in the Qur'an?:

    There are 25 prophets mentioned by name in the Qur'an, although Muslims believe that there were many more in different times and places. Among the prophets that Muslims honor are:
    Adam
    Idris (Enoch)
    Nuh (Noah)
    Hud
    Saleh
    Ibrahim (Abraham)
    Isma'il (Ishmael)
    Ishaq (Isaac)
    Lut (Lot)
    Ya'qub (Jacob)
    Yousef (Joseph)
    Shu'aib
    Ayyub (Job)
    Musa (Moses)
    Harun (Aaron)
    Dhu'l-kifl (Ezekiel)
    Dawud (David)
    Sulaiman (Solomon)
    Ilias (Elias)
    Al-Yasa (Elisha)
    Yunus (Jonah)
    Zakariyya (Zechariah)
    Yahya (John)
    'Isa (Jesus)
    Muhammad
    How do Muslims honor the prophets?:

    Muslims read about, learn from, and respect all of the prophets. Many Muslims name their children after them. In addition, when mentioning the name of any of God's prophets, a Muslim adds these words of blessing and respect: "upon him be peace" (alayhi salaam in Arabic).

    Islamic Prophets - Prophets of Islam
     
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    Yahya (John the Baptist) being a prophet of Islam.

    Prophet Yahya (PBUH)

    Yahya (John the Baptist) was the son of Prophet Zakariyya (peace be upon him). His birth was a miracle because. He was born of a barren mother and an aged father. In the fagging part of life Prophet Zakariya (peace be upon him) prayed to Allah to bless him with a son who could prove to be a successful heir and preacher of the religion of Allah. His prayer was promptly granted. The Holy Quran says:

    "0' Zakariya! Lo! We bring you a glad tidings of a son whose name is Yahya. We have given the same name to none before him.'' (Surah 19: Verse 7)

    The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was dedicated to the noble work of leading men to the path of salvation. He exhorted his people to have unstinted faith in God. He moved among the humble and despised sofe raiment. He was not arrogant. He spent most of his life in wilderness. He was pure and devout. He was dutiful towards his parents. The Holy Quran says:

    "(And it was said unto his son) 0' John! Hold fast the scripture. And We gave him wisdom when he was a child! And compassion from Our presence and punity, and he was devout. And dutiful towards his parents. And he was not arrogant, rebellious. Peace on him the day he was born and the day he dies and the day he shall be raised alive.'' (Surah 19: Verse 12-15 )

    The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) moved to the desert of Judea. He dressed himself in a robe made of camel hair. He ate simple food and wild honey. His sermons were most impressive and people flocked to hear his trumpet message. The whole of the Jordan valley was baptized due to his preaching. The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was the precursor of Prophet Isa (Jesus Christ). He was his cousin and contemporary as well. His fidelity to his mission as a preacher soon deprived him of his liberty and subsequently his life.

    The Roman Ruler Herod Antipas was the ruler of Galilee. He had an adulterous relations with Herodias, the wife of his brother Herod Philip. The Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) reproached him for this grave sin. Herod Antipas got annoyed and imprisoned him till his execution. Once Herod Antipas arranged a grand feast. Herodias allowed her daughter, Salome to dance.

    The Ruler was fascinated with the performance of the dancing girl. He declared that he would grant whatever Salome wanted. She immediately made a demand for the head of Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him). Herod was in a fix what to do. He had no alternative to adhere to his words. So Prophet Yahya (peace be upon him) was beheaded at the instigation of the mother of that girl with whom Herod was infatuated. His grave is in Umayyah Mosque in Syria.

    itsIslam - Articles - Stories of Prophets - Prophet Yahya (PBUH) (John the Baptist)
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    Now, could we get back to the thread?

    When one meanders into religion, can we say what we want to say with a little bit of finesse and quote from links so that misunderstandings and rancour is minimised, if not totally non existent?
     
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