Pakistan: Memo-gate Scandal Fallout
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this will make military look like power mongers and now with obl raid and 26/11 attack on post, the military is not what it used to be few years back- savior of islam and pakistan.
it is now seen as a power monger who itself is not capable of protecting itself.
love to see how things unfold but political instability in pakistan and distance between army and govt is expected to rise in future
it is now seen as a power monger who itself is not capable of protecting itself.
love to see how things unfold but political instability in pakistan and distance between army and govt is expected to rise in future
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Why fear??? He looted enough money.Their properties are abroad. He must having dual citizenship of some another country. All he has to do pack his bags take a chartered flight and enjoy 5 yrs abroad till paki janta forgets everything and come back with bilawal munna
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heat's on gilani because he is the fire fighter for zardari and PPP and he is talking on behalf of those two. zardari has taken the back seat for now.
not a three way, but they are confronting the memo gate scandal.
i think we are looking at a possibility where there might be an interim government (caretaker) installed within the next 6-9months, elections called, and elections held under the "neutral" government (though, of course backed by the pa/isi) and then we get to see IK take over as the PM, a definite possibility, it seems.
anyways, if this government was to last for another 6-9 months, i think this government would be the longest serving democratic government in pakistan, though if the caretaker government takes charge then the record of no democratic government ever completing its complete term in pakistan would remain intact.
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(Reuters) - Pakistan's powerful army is fed up with unpopular President Asif Ali Zardari and wants him out of office, but through legal means and without a repeat of the coups that are a hallmark of the country's 64 years of independence, military sources said.
Tensions are rising between Pakistan's civilian leaders and its generals over a memo that accused the army of plotting a coup after the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May.
"Who isn't fed up with Zardari? It's not just the opposition and the man on the street but people within the government too," said one military source who asked not to be named.
"But there has to be a proper way. No action is being planned by the army. Even if we tried, it would be very unpopular and not just with the government and the opposition but most Pakistanis too."
The Pakistani military spokesman declined comment.
General Ashfaq Kayani has pledged to keep the military out of Pakistani politics since taking over as army chief in 2007.
Any coup -- Pakistan has had three since independence in 1947 -- could further tarnish the military's public image which has already taken a battering after the bin Laden operation, widely seen in Pakistan as a violation of sovereignty.
But the army remains the arbiter of power and analysts say it has plenty of ways to pressure Zardari to step down, especially if a link is established between him and the memo, which sought the Pentagon's help in averting a feared coup.
Businessman Mansoor Ijaz, writing in a column in the Financial Times on October 10, said a senior Pakistani diplomat had asked that a memo be delivered to the Pentagon with a plea for U.S. help to stave off a military coup in the days after the raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May.
Ijaz later identified the diplomat as Pakistan's ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani, who denied involvement but resigned over the controversy. No evidence has emerged that the military was plotting a coup and the Pentagon at the time dismissed the memo as not credible.
Friction between Pakistan's civilian government and military have bedeviled the nuclear-armed South Asian country for almost its entire existence, with the military ruling for more than half its 64-year history after a series of coups.
In the past the army has asked Pakistani civilian leaders to resign and influenced judicial proceedings against them.
Haqqani's resignation was seen by many analysts as further weakening the civilian government, which is already beset by allegations of corruption and incompetence in the face of many challenges, including a weak economy and a Taliban insurgency.
MEMOGATE
Zardari returned to Pakistan this week from medical treatment in Dubai that raised speculation he would resign under pressure from the military over what has been dubbed "memogate."
Although his position is largely ceremonial, he wields considerable influence as leader of the ruling party and his forced departure would be a humiliation for the civilian leadership and could throw the country into turmoil.
One of the military sources suggested that no direct action would be needed against the government because it had already made so many mistakes.
"If the government is digging its own grave, we are not going to look for spades," the source said.
The military has reasserted itself after a November 26 NATO cross-border air attack killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and the memo has also given it political ammunition.
In a statement submitted to the Supreme Court, which is looking into a petition demanding an inquiry into who may have been behind the memo, Kayani said it was a serious matter which required an investigation.
"We want anyone involved, be they in government or elsewhere, to be punished. But it is not for us to do anything. If the army moves to do anything it would have national as well as international repercussions," said another military source.
"So that is not likely. Anything that has to be done has to be done by the Supreme Court."
Officials from Zardari's ruling party have played down friction with the military and say they don't fear a coup.
But they fear that some judges in the increasingly aggressive Supreme Court dislike Zardari and could move against him.
"I am not bothered about the army. I think they are acting very sensibly and would not derail the system at the moment," a senior ruling party leader told Reuters.
"The worry probably would be what the Supreme Court does. They look in a mood to manipulate things."
The government's anxiety over memogate was highlighted in comments made by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Thursday.
"Let me make clear to you today that there are intrigues, conspiracies afoot to pack up the elected government," he said in a speech at the National Art Gallery.
Exclusive: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup | Reuters
Tensions are rising between Pakistan's civilian leaders and its generals over a memo that accused the army of plotting a coup after the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May.
"Who isn't fed up with Zardari? It's not just the opposition and the man on the street but people within the government too," said one military source who asked not to be named.
"But there has to be a proper way. No action is being planned by the army. Even if we tried, it would be very unpopular and not just with the government and the opposition but most Pakistanis too."
The Pakistani military spokesman declined comment.
General Ashfaq Kayani has pledged to keep the military out of Pakistani politics since taking over as army chief in 2007.
Any coup -- Pakistan has had three since independence in 1947 -- could further tarnish the military's public image which has already taken a battering after the bin Laden operation, widely seen in Pakistan as a violation of sovereignty.
But the army remains the arbiter of power and analysts say it has plenty of ways to pressure Zardari to step down, especially if a link is established between him and the memo, which sought the Pentagon's help in averting a feared coup.
Businessman Mansoor Ijaz, writing in a column in the Financial Times on October 10, said a senior Pakistani diplomat had asked that a memo be delivered to the Pentagon with a plea for U.S. help to stave off a military coup in the days after the raid that killed al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in May.
Ijaz later identified the diplomat as Pakistan's ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani, who denied involvement but resigned over the controversy. No evidence has emerged that the military was plotting a coup and the Pentagon at the time dismissed the memo as not credible.
Friction between Pakistan's civilian government and military have bedeviled the nuclear-armed South Asian country for almost its entire existence, with the military ruling for more than half its 64-year history after a series of coups.
In the past the army has asked Pakistani civilian leaders to resign and influenced judicial proceedings against them.
Haqqani's resignation was seen by many analysts as further weakening the civilian government, which is already beset by allegations of corruption and incompetence in the face of many challenges, including a weak economy and a Taliban insurgency.
MEMOGATE
Zardari returned to Pakistan this week from medical treatment in Dubai that raised speculation he would resign under pressure from the military over what has been dubbed "memogate."
Although his position is largely ceremonial, he wields considerable influence as leader of the ruling party and his forced departure would be a humiliation for the civilian leadership and could throw the country into turmoil.
One of the military sources suggested that no direct action would be needed against the government because it had already made so many mistakes.
"If the government is digging its own grave, we are not going to look for spades," the source said.
The military has reasserted itself after a November 26 NATO cross-border air attack killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and the memo has also given it political ammunition.
In a statement submitted to the Supreme Court, which is looking into a petition demanding an inquiry into who may have been behind the memo, Kayani said it was a serious matter which required an investigation.
"We want anyone involved, be they in government or elsewhere, to be punished. But it is not for us to do anything. If the army moves to do anything it would have national as well as international repercussions," said another military source.
"So that is not likely. Anything that has to be done has to be done by the Supreme Court."
Officials from Zardari's ruling party have played down friction with the military and say they don't fear a coup.
But they fear that some judges in the increasingly aggressive Supreme Court dislike Zardari and could move against him.
"I am not bothered about the army. I think they are acting very sensibly and would not derail the system at the moment," a senior ruling party leader told Reuters.
"The worry probably would be what the Supreme Court does. They look in a mood to manipulate things."
The government's anxiety over memogate was highlighted in comments made by Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani on Thursday.
"Let me make clear to you today that there are intrigues, conspiracies afoot to pack up the elected government," he said in a speech at the National Art Gallery.
Exclusive: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup | Reuters
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haha!
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that's why zardari disappeared from Pakistan stating health concern
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/19/MNF51MEELI.DTL
cat is out of the bag.. haha !
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/19/MNF51MEELI.DTL
cat is out of the bag.. haha !
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i think the pa isnt particularly bothered about a coup being popular or not, at the moment there is one hindrance and another opportunity.
hindrance in WoT, NATO supplies and drone strikes, all which are set to return and they dont want to be seen as ones who allowed it back, else they get labelled as traitors.
opportunity in IK, they want to give him a try and so they are going to allow him to take to the office in a way where their hand in installing him gets "seen" to a limited extent.
the talk of coup will emerge if Ik fails when he gets to form the next government, and or in the next elections (2018-19) it gets certain that ppp or pml-n will be forming the government. by then the demon of WoT would have either significantly reduced or vanished and they wont have to face the public ire on that any more, which is what made musharraf unpopular.
hindrance in WoT, NATO supplies and drone strikes, all which are set to return and they dont want to be seen as ones who allowed it back, else they get labelled as traitors.
opportunity in IK, they want to give him a try and so they are going to allow him to take to the office in a way where their hand in installing him gets "seen" to a limited extent.
the talk of coup will emerge if Ik fails when he gets to form the next government, and or in the next elections (2018-19) it gets certain that ppp or pml-n will be forming the government. by then the demon of WoT would have either significantly reduced or vanished and they wont have to face the public ire on that any more, which is what made musharraf unpopular.
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Zardari snubs Kayani's call, ready to fight till the last bullet
Amir Mir in Islamabad
Rediff.com's Amir Mir analyses the controversial developments post the explosive Memogate scandal that rocked Pakistan and reveals President Asif Ali Zardari's resolve to take on forces that are out to topple him
In a dangerous development threatening the democratic dispensation in Pakistan, the country's all-powerful military and intelligence establishment and the frail political leadership finally stand eyeball to eyeball in the Supreme Court, which has begun hearing the Memogate scam from December 19 despite objections raised by the government that the Apex court should not have taken up the case when the matter was already being probed by the Parliament.
The Memogate scandal revolves around an alleged memorandum addressed to former US Army Chief Admiral Michael Mullen and seeking the help of the Obama administration (in the wake of the May 2 killing of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a covert US Navy Seals raid) to ward off a possible military takeover in Pakistan.
American-Pakistani businessman Mansoor Ijaz alleged that former Pakistan Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani had asked him to deliver the confidential memo, seeking US assistance against the aggressive designs of the Pakistan Army.
Mansoor further alleged that the memo was drafted by Haqqani at the behest of President Asif Zardari and was delivered to Admiral Mike Mullen through former US national security adviser, General (retd) James Jones after the Abbottabad raid.
The issue was subsequently taken up by Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani with President Zardari, asking him to summon Husain Haqqani back to Pakistan and initiate an inquiry against him.
Haqqani finally resigned following a November 22 high-level meeting of the civil-military top brass that included President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani, Army Chief Kayani, ISI chief Lt Gen Pasha and Husain Haqqani.
The government subsequently referred the Memogate scam to the Parliamentary Committee of the National Assembly on National Security for a thorough inquiry. The committee was created by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani after the approval of a resolution in the joint session of the two Houses of Parliament and with the consent of all the ruling and opposition parties.
However, even before the committee could formally kick off its work, opposition leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif approached the Supreme Court, alleging that the memo was approved by the country's top political leadership and that the court should conduct an inquiry to fix responsibility.
In an unusual move, Sharif himself presented his case by reading out the entire petition in the Apex court, seeking action under Article 6 of the Constitution against key government personalities, in case the issuance of the memo is established.
A nine-judge larger bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry subsequently passed the order on December 1 at the end of the proceedings without much deliberation. The immediate affectee of the court order was obviously Hussain Haqqani who was barred from leaving the country without the prior permission of the court.
In its written ruling on the Memogate case, the Supreme Court observed: "We are conscious of the fact that the respondents, who include the President of Pakistan, the Army Chief, the ISI chief, etc, have to file their replies to explain their position. However, we may, at this stage, refer to the case of United States vs Richard M Nixon, President of the United States [418 US 683] wherein the then US President was facing proceedings before the Committee of the Senate, and at the same time, pre-trial evidence was being collected by a special prosecutor general, which was objected to by him and the matter went up to the US Supreme Court and ultimately it was resolved that such pre-trial evidence could be collected."
However, while the Federation, General Kayani, Lt Gen Pasha, Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz have submitted their replies with the Apex court, President Zardari decided to abstain, probably because of the presidential immunity he enjoys under the Constitution.
Well-placed law ministry officials in Islamabad are amazed at the court's decision to also issue a notice to the President on Sharif's petition as they point out that under Article 248(2) of the Constitution, no criminal proceedings whatsoever can be instituted against the President of the country during his five-year term of office.
They point out that the only action that could be taken against the President is under Article 47 of the Constitution, which provides for impeachment. But the President could only be impeached by Parliament in order to pave the way for initiating criminal proceedings against him.
As the chief justice apparently thinks otherwise on the issue, he has already asked the attorney general of Pakistan to submit the reply of the President on the Memogate scam or the court would be bound to believe that he has confessed to his alleged involvement in the case.
What is bound to kick up a storm in the coming days and weeks is the complete difference of views between the government's response filed with the court and those of the Army and the ISI chiefs.
While General Kayani and Lt Gen Pasha have not only acknowledged the memo and described it a threat to the national security, the federal government has maintained that Sharif's petition, seeking court intervention in a case that has already been referred to a parliamentary committee, should simply be dismissed.
The government has also reiterated Haqqani's position that no one in the government and its bureaucracy was involved in preparing the memo sent to Admiral Mullen.
In its reply to the court, the federal government has also taken up the latest revelation made by Mansoor Ijaz in the British daily, The Independent, that before the unearthing of the Memogate scam, ISI chief had toured Arab states friendly to Pakistan, asking for their approval to evict President Zardari from the presidency.
It is generally believed that all actions by the incumbent ISI chief are taken with the prior approval of the Army chief. The allegation led many parliamentarians to seek the ISI chief's resignation for his involvement in an anti-government plot, as had been the case with Haqqani who had to quit over allegations of involvement in an anti-military plot.
In fact, the ISI chief had offered his resignation on May 13 while appearing before a joint session of the Parliament along with General Kayani to explain their collective failure and deficiencies that came to light in the wake of the May 2 raid in Abbottabad, which killed Osama bin Laden.
But President Zardari, who at that time was under tremendous pressure from the Sharif-led Pakistan Muslim League to remove the ISI chief and the Army chief, decided to give another chance to the current khaki leaders, who are now trying to dislodge their benefactor.
Analysts say that the Pakistani military and intelligence leadership was trying to restore its wounded pride ever since the Abbottabad raid and the Haqqani episode came as a golden opportunity to re-establish its diminishing authority over the civilians who had dared to make them answerable before Parliament.
But the most shocking aspect of the ongoing drama is that a twice elected prime minister (Nawaz Sharif), who himself had been dislodged by his hand-picked Army Chief (Gen Pervez Musharraf) in 1999, has decided to become a co-conspirator with the military establishment in yet another plot to dislodge a democratically-elected government.
There are unofficial reports that Nawaz Sharif and Lt Gen Shuja Pasha had a one-on-one meeting in Istanbul in the last week of October wherein it was decided that the establishment and the opposition would work together to get rid of the corrupt Zardari government before the upcoming elections of the Senate in March 2012 (in which the PPP is set to win majority in the upper house of Parliament).
However, while Sharif's close circles deny any such meeting, saying that Sharif had conducted a week-long visit of Turkey on the invitation of the Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, those in the intelligence circles vehemently deny that Ahmed Shuja Pasha had travelled to Turkey during those days to see Sharif.
Interestingly, Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani and ISI Chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha owe their current positions to President Zardari who had granted them unprecedented extensions upon expiry of their respective service tenures.
While Kayani was granted a second three-year term as the Army chief in July 2011, his right-hand ISI chief, Lt Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha has already been given one-year extensions twice.
As his third one year tenure as the ISI boss is again coming to an end in March 2012, his close associates say Pasha is vying for yet another extension to give final touches to the future set up. The enormous interest Pasha had shown in taking up Memogate scam can be gauged from the fact that he had personally travelled to London last month to hold a one-on-one meeting with Mansoor Ijaz, which lasted for four hours.
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Zardari snubs Kayani's call, ready to fight till the last bullet - Rediff.com News
Amir Mir in Islamabad
Rediff.com's Amir Mir analyses the controversial developments post the explosive Memogate scandal that rocked Pakistan and reveals President Asif Ali Zardari's resolve to take on forces that are out to topple him
In a dangerous development threatening the democratic dispensation in Pakistan, the country's all-powerful military and intelligence establishment and the frail political leadership finally stand eyeball to eyeball in the Supreme Court, which has begun hearing the Memogate scam from December 19 despite objections raised by the government that the Apex court should not have taken up the case when the matter was already being probed by the Parliament.
The Memogate scandal revolves around an alleged memorandum addressed to former US Army Chief Admiral Michael Mullen and seeking the help of the Obama administration (in the wake of the May 2 killing of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a covert US Navy Seals raid) to ward off a possible military takeover in Pakistan.
American-Pakistani businessman Mansoor Ijaz alleged that former Pakistan Ambassador to the United States Husain Haqqani had asked him to deliver the confidential memo, seeking US assistance against the aggressive designs of the Pakistan Army.
Mansoor further alleged that the memo was drafted by Haqqani at the behest of President Asif Zardari and was delivered to Admiral Mike Mullen through former US national security adviser, General (retd) James Jones after the Abbottabad raid.
The issue was subsequently taken up by Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani with President Zardari, asking him to summon Husain Haqqani back to Pakistan and initiate an inquiry against him.
Haqqani finally resigned following a November 22 high-level meeting of the civil-military top brass that included President Zardari, Prime Minister Gilani, Army Chief Kayani, ISI chief Lt Gen Pasha and Husain Haqqani.
The government subsequently referred the Memogate scam to the Parliamentary Committee of the National Assembly on National Security for a thorough inquiry. The committee was created by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani after the approval of a resolution in the joint session of the two Houses of Parliament and with the consent of all the ruling and opposition parties.
However, even before the committee could formally kick off its work, opposition leader and former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif approached the Supreme Court, alleging that the memo was approved by the country's top political leadership and that the court should conduct an inquiry to fix responsibility.
In an unusual move, Sharif himself presented his case by reading out the entire petition in the Apex court, seeking action under Article 6 of the Constitution against key government personalities, in case the issuance of the memo is established.
A nine-judge larger bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry subsequently passed the order on December 1 at the end of the proceedings without much deliberation. The immediate affectee of the court order was obviously Hussain Haqqani who was barred from leaving the country without the prior permission of the court.
In its written ruling on the Memogate case, the Supreme Court observed: "We are conscious of the fact that the respondents, who include the President of Pakistan, the Army Chief, the ISI chief, etc, have to file their replies to explain their position. However, we may, at this stage, refer to the case of United States vs Richard M Nixon, President of the United States [418 US 683] wherein the then US President was facing proceedings before the Committee of the Senate, and at the same time, pre-trial evidence was being collected by a special prosecutor general, which was objected to by him and the matter went up to the US Supreme Court and ultimately it was resolved that such pre-trial evidence could be collected."
However, while the Federation, General Kayani, Lt Gen Pasha, Hussain Haqqani and Mansoor Ijaz have submitted their replies with the Apex court, President Zardari decided to abstain, probably because of the presidential immunity he enjoys under the Constitution.
Well-placed law ministry officials in Islamabad are amazed at the court's decision to also issue a notice to the President on Sharif's petition as they point out that under Article 248(2) of the Constitution, no criminal proceedings whatsoever can be instituted against the President of the country during his five-year term of office.
They point out that the only action that could be taken against the President is under Article 47 of the Constitution, which provides for impeachment. But the President could only be impeached by Parliament in order to pave the way for initiating criminal proceedings against him.
As the chief justice apparently thinks otherwise on the issue, he has already asked the attorney general of Pakistan to submit the reply of the President on the Memogate scam or the court would be bound to believe that he has confessed to his alleged involvement in the case.
What is bound to kick up a storm in the coming days and weeks is the complete difference of views between the government's response filed with the court and those of the Army and the ISI chiefs.
While General Kayani and Lt Gen Pasha have not only acknowledged the memo and described it a threat to the national security, the federal government has maintained that Sharif's petition, seeking court intervention in a case that has already been referred to a parliamentary committee, should simply be dismissed.
The government has also reiterated Haqqani's position that no one in the government and its bureaucracy was involved in preparing the memo sent to Admiral Mullen.
In its reply to the court, the federal government has also taken up the latest revelation made by Mansoor Ijaz in the British daily, The Independent, that before the unearthing of the Memogate scam, ISI chief had toured Arab states friendly to Pakistan, asking for their approval to evict President Zardari from the presidency.
It is generally believed that all actions by the incumbent ISI chief are taken with the prior approval of the Army chief. The allegation led many parliamentarians to seek the ISI chief's resignation for his involvement in an anti-government plot, as had been the case with Haqqani who had to quit over allegations of involvement in an anti-military plot.
In fact, the ISI chief had offered his resignation on May 13 while appearing before a joint session of the Parliament along with General Kayani to explain their collective failure and deficiencies that came to light in the wake of the May 2 raid in Abbottabad, which killed Osama bin Laden.
But President Zardari, who at that time was under tremendous pressure from the Sharif-led Pakistan Muslim League to remove the ISI chief and the Army chief, decided to give another chance to the current khaki leaders, who are now trying to dislodge their benefactor.
Analysts say that the Pakistani military and intelligence leadership was trying to restore its wounded pride ever since the Abbottabad raid and the Haqqani episode came as a golden opportunity to re-establish its diminishing authority over the civilians who had dared to make them answerable before Parliament.
But the most shocking aspect of the ongoing drama is that a twice elected prime minister (Nawaz Sharif), who himself had been dislodged by his hand-picked Army Chief (Gen Pervez Musharraf) in 1999, has decided to become a co-conspirator with the military establishment in yet another plot to dislodge a democratically-elected government.
There are unofficial reports that Nawaz Sharif and Lt Gen Shuja Pasha had a one-on-one meeting in Istanbul in the last week of October wherein it was decided that the establishment and the opposition would work together to get rid of the corrupt Zardari government before the upcoming elections of the Senate in March 2012 (in which the PPP is set to win majority in the upper house of Parliament).
However, while Sharif's close circles deny any such meeting, saying that Sharif had conducted a week-long visit of Turkey on the invitation of the Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, those in the intelligence circles vehemently deny that Ahmed Shuja Pasha had travelled to Turkey during those days to see Sharif.
Interestingly, Army Chief General Ashfaq Kayani and ISI Chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha owe their current positions to President Zardari who had granted them unprecedented extensions upon expiry of their respective service tenures.
While Kayani was granted a second three-year term as the Army chief in July 2011, his right-hand ISI chief, Lt Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha has already been given one-year extensions twice.
As his third one year tenure as the ISI boss is again coming to an end in March 2012, his close associates say Pasha is vying for yet another extension to give final touches to the future set up. The enormous interest Pasha had shown in taking up Memogate scam can be gauged from the fact that he had personally travelled to London last month to hold a one-on-one meeting with Mansoor Ijaz, which lasted for four hours.
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Zardari snubs Kayani's call, ready to fight till the last bullet - Rediff.com News
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Soon after Zardari left Pakistan Imran Khan met the Pak Army chief. I think they were discussing about the next President and Imran Khan's post on the POLITICAL STAGE
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Pak govt's shocker: 'Lost control over Army, ISI':
Islamabad: Against the backdrop of tensions between Pakistan's civilian government and the powerful military over the Memogate scandal, the Defence Ministry has conceded that it has "no operational control" over the Army and the spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence. The Defence Ministry stated
its position in an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court in connection with a case related to the alleged memo that had sought American help to stave off a feared coup in Pakistan after the killing of Osama bin Laden in May. The one-page affidavit, filed in the apex court around midnight on Wednesday, stated that the Defence Ministry had no control over the army and the ISI, except in simple administrative matters. The ministry said it was thus not in a position to confirm or deny the stand taken by the military and ISI in the memo issue. The ministry further said it was not in a p
sday, stated that the Defence Ministry had no control over the army and the ISI, except in simple administrative matters. The ministry said it was thus not in a position to confirm or deny the stand taken by the military and ISI in the memo issue. The ministry further said it was not in a position to submit any reply on behalf of the armed forces and the ISI as their operations were not in its knowledge. The stance taken by the ministry has heightened apprehensions of friction between the civilian government and the military over the Memogate scandal. Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and ISI head Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha have urged the Supreme Court to conduct a probe into the alleged memo, which they insist is a "reality". The government has challenged the court's jurisdiction to hear the case, saying the scandal is already being investigated by a parliamentary panel. It further asked the court to dismiss a batch of petitions, including one filed by PML-N chi
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Islamabad: Against the backdrop of tensions between Pakistan's civilian government and the powerful military over the Memogate scandal, the Defence Ministry has conceded that it has "no operational control" over the Army and the spy agency Inter-Services Intelligence. The Defence Ministry stated
its position in an affidavit filed in the Supreme Court in connection with a case related to the alleged memo that had sought American help to stave off a feared coup in Pakistan after the killing of Osama bin Laden in May. The one-page affidavit, filed in the apex court around midnight on Wednesday, stated that the Defence Ministry had no control over the army and the ISI, except in simple administrative matters. The ministry said it was thus not in a position to confirm or deny the stand taken by the military and ISI in the memo issue. The ministry further said it was not in a p
sday, stated that the Defence Ministry had no control over the army and the ISI, except in simple administrative matters. The ministry said it was thus not in a position to confirm or deny the stand taken by the military and ISI in the memo issue. The ministry further said it was not in a position to submit any reply on behalf of the armed forces and the ISI as their operations were not in its knowledge. The stance taken by the ministry has heightened apprehensions of friction between the civilian government and the military over the Memogate scandal. Army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and ISI head Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha have urged the Supreme Court to conduct a probe into the alleged memo, which they insist is a "reality". The government has challenged the court's jurisdiction to hear the case, saying the scandal is already being investigated by a parliamentary panel. It further asked the court to dismiss a batch of petitions, including one filed by PML-N chi
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This is known for the past 5 decades. This is how Pakistan is being ruled by the military. But this time around the Pak Army is taking its time to take control over the country due to the International pressure.
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With this drama the Pak Army-ISI have successfully deflected the dent of their inept failures to the civilian government. It is the Govt. that is seen as the real weak cog in the wheel.
Army can't afford to be seen in US camp officially, even though they munch American chocolates daily they will keep the antics alive whatever the case. This ante is the basic element of the illusive bubble called Pakistan by its people.
I'm more interested in knowing whether the next ruler is a US stooge or Chinese stooge.
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Army can't afford to be seen in US camp officially, even though they munch American chocolates daily they will keep the antics alive whatever the case. This ante is the basic element of the illusive bubble called Pakistan by its people.
I'm more interested in knowing whether the next ruler is a US stooge or Chinese stooge.
Regards,
Virendra
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Best definition Sir .. lean and mean
People have lot of hopes from Imran. He is seen as someone who could negotiate with Taliban better than his peers.
If nothing else, he'd achieve at least Pakistan's protection from the various shades of Taliban. That is what they like to believe.
Lets see
People have lot of hopes from Imran. He is seen as someone who could negotiate with Taliban better than his peers.
If nothing else, he'd achieve at least Pakistan's protection from the various shades of Taliban. That is what they like to believe.
Lets see
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