Pakistan is Nowhere in Siachin

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  1. agentperry

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    Story of Soltoro - from Ababeel to Meghdoot

    The Writer is Former RAW Chief Vikram Sood - he writes a Blog of whom i am a Big follower of
    VIKRAM SOOD'S PERSPECTIVES...

    Siachin from perspective of Vikram sood



    There has been considerable talk in Pakistan about the recent avalanche in Gyari west of the Saltoro Ridge and it is shown as having occurred in the Siachen area. Pakistan is nowhere near the Siachen Glacier. Please everybody, let us get the facts right. The glacier is at least two-three days march away from Gyari and is attainable after first climbing the heights of Saltoro. It lies to the East of the Saltoro Ridge which is manned by Indian troops at those heights and is lower than the Saltoro. It is therefore not visible from the forward most posts on the Pakistani side. Saltoro overlooks, in a manner of speaking, the land to the west that is the Skardu Astore regions of Gilgit and Baltistan which we assert is ours. Siachen’s northern tip is close to Shaksgam, a slice of J&K territory ceded by Pakistan to China, while its southern tip is the source of water to the Nubra.

    It is well known that Chinese workers, some say as many as 10,000 are in Gilgit and Baltistan working on infrastructure projects. Given the nature of Pakistan-China relationship and given that Pakistan is in all sorts of domestic difficulties with its vital relationship with the US soured, China’s value to Pakistan increases further.

    No Prime Minister, no General would want his troops to be there if it were not absolutely necessary. This is not an ego battle. It is a matter of preservation of our interests served best by ensuring that two countries hostile to us do not have another link up just north of Leh and Kargil. There is a famous Ladakhi saying which says that only the best of friends and the fiercest of enemies visit this barren land. Let it be known that the Indian Army makes the fiercest of enemies.

    There are some other important issues about Siachen/Saltoro. One, there can be no piecemeal solutions with regard to Saltoro. Second, these are positions held by India justifiably even under the 1949 Karachi and 1972 Shimla Agreement, which says that from PT NJ9842 the line would run due north. Depictions on some maps including those in the West, that draw a straight line due east up to the Karakoram pass from PT NJ 9842 is deliberate cartographic misrepresentation. Third, let it never be forgotten that India holds an Instrument of Accession with the State of Jammu and Kashmir in the same manner in which Pakistan had with the princely states like Bahawalpur at the time of its independence. Therefore, Indian troops will be located wherever required for strategic and security reasons.

    Some despatches have made out that India “after starting the war in 1984 occupies higher positions.” India did not start the war in 1984 but today occupies the heights. Pakistan started the war in 1947 and has continued that in different forms since then. Intelligence reports in 1983 had clearly warned that Pakistan had begun planning an assault on the Saltoro Ridge. A force called the Burzil Force would be launched from Skardu under ‘Operation Ababeel’. In a dramatic push, almost like the crossing of Zoji La in 1947, an Indian force under ‘Operation Meghdoot’ captured the heights of Saltoro barely 48 hours before the Pakistan operation got going. That is how it is and that is how it will be for the foreseeable future unless there is a dramatic shift in Pakistan’s attitude.

    Pakistan has spent its entire existence seeking equality with, if not supremacy, over India. It invaded, and when unsuccessful sent in its jihadi foot soldiers described as its strategic assets. And now, exhausted, wants India to withdraw from its own territory, give up strategic heights, in the interests of peace. There is no logic in this. Logic will be had when Pakistan exhibits a desire to live in peace once it locks up its jihadis.

    History has not been kind to our nations. Unfortunately, kindness in international relations is not bestowed by one nation to another by surrendering strategic advantage.Folly can achieve that. Let us not compound our folly by assuming that the other side is genuine when it masquerades magnanimity. Only verification and then trust will be proof of that and make for sound Indian statecraft.

    Source - The Article was printed in Daily column of Mid day

    Story of Saltoro -- From Ababeel to Meghdoot
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    I need a good map here. Cannot understand the article without a map.
     
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    I don't understand as to why they need 10000 Chinese workers? Infrastructure work can be undertaken by local government with Chinese workers. They need to send semi-skilled labour to foreign land. Sending a hundred engineers and technicians should do the job. The cost of housing and feeding of temporary Chinese labour should increase the overall cost by a significant amount. Also how come the locals allow these foreigners to take away their job. What about Pakistani construction companies? Was there a tender that was released? Didn't any pakistani company participate?
     
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    that's true, we control siachin and all it's tributary glaciers. but it is portrayed in pure land media that bakistan controls all siachin glaciers.
     
  8. olivers

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    Chinese always work like this even in Africa. They have contracts. They lay the road and construct everything using Chinese workers. They do this in India. There upper floors of Huawei in India are off limits to all Indians in Bangalore! Indian government should find out if this is in fact some sort of listening post and kick them out. Chinese don't benefit the local economy of a host country. This is their operating principle. Indian developments in Africa are widely appreciated by the local people. We build capacity, the Chinese still reap benefits by ripping off the country. This is an account I heard from an African cab driver in USA a couple of year back and since then has been reported in the media based on surveys on the most effective aid provider and so on. There were other reports too on this exact same aspect in a media publication too. Win hearts and minds the world is yours.
     

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