Pakistan, India swap lists of nuclear sites

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistan, India swap lists of nuclear sites

Pakistan and India on Sunday exchanged lists of their nuclear sites under an accord which prohibits both sides from attacking these locations, the foreign ministry in Islamabad said.

Under the 1988 agreement, the nuclear-armed neighbours are required to submit the lists of all their respective nuclear installations and facilities -- civilian and military -- on January 1 every year.

"In accordance with the aforesaid agreement, a list of requisite facilities in Pakistan was given to the Indian high commission official at the foreign office today," a statement from Pakistan's foreign ministry said.

The Indian side also handed over its list to the Pakistan high commission official at the ministry of external affairs in New Delhi, it added.

Relations between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since the subcontinent was partitioned in 1947, have been plagued by border and resource disputes, and accusations of Pakistani militant activity against India.

Two of the three wars were over Kashmir, which both countries claim in full. The neighbours and rivals were on the brink of nuclear conflict in 2002 over the Kashmir tensions.

A slow-moving peace process resumed in March 2010, after 166 people were killed in the 2008 Mumbai attacks blamed on Pakistani extremists.

As part of the resumed dialogue process, experts from the two countries recently held peace talks in Islamabad on nuclear confidence-building measures.

 

[Dovah]

They don't really share the actual details, do they?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I am guessing they share the military and civilian site data? Along with this they were also suppose to discuss cruise missile numbers??

 

[Dovah]

I am guessing they share the military and civilian site data? Along with this they were also suppose to discuss cruise missile numbers??

Cruise Missile numbers? what for?

 

[vietnam&india]

They don't really share the actual details, do they?

Of course not. If they have 100 , they would say "i have about over 30 ".

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Cruise Missile numbers? what for?

because Pakistan's main delivery system for nukes launched against India is the cruise missile Babur.(and reversseed enginered scuds tapedongs -Ghauri)

NCNK Issue Brief: An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program — National Committee on North Korea

An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program

 

[Tshering22]

Of course not. If they have 100 , they would say "i have about over 30 ".

Very rightly said, friend. These are only political gimmicks to show that "we're trying to be peaceful and friendly". All know that the real numbers will never be revealed.

That's why our official number of missiles and nuclear warheads is said between 60-100 whereas we might be having anywhere between 300-1000.

 

[Tshering22]

because Pakistan's main delivery system for nukes launched against India is the cruise missile Babur.(and reversseed enginered scuds tapedongs -Ghauri)

NCNK Issue Brief: An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program — National Committee on North Korea

An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program

Actually it is going to be their Shaheen ballistic missiles. Babur is intended for something called "tactical nuke" to raze off tank columns. Not that it would save them from being annihilated and crossing the nuclear threshold. So their civilian and military leadership would never cross it unless some mad mullah takes power.

 

[Yusuf]

because Pakistan's main delivery system for nukes launched against India is the cruise missile Babur.(and reversseed enginered scuds tapedongs -Ghauri)

NCNK Issue Brief: An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program — National Committee on North Korea

An Overview of North Korea's Ballistic Missile Program

Pakistani nuclear weapons delivery platform is not cruise missile but ballistic
Issues and more importantly even today their F16s. The F16s are probably backup if their NoKo crap gives away. Babur cruise missile with a range of 700 kms is not a strategic platform and more importantly there is all the possibility of the missile bein tracked and shot down.

 

[Yusuf]

Very rightly said, friend. These are only political gimmicks to show that "we're trying to be peaceful and friendly". All know that the real numbers will never be revealed.

That's why our official number of missiles and nuclear warheads is said between 60-100 whereas we might be having anywhere between 300-1000.

Western analysts try a lot by throwing in some crappy numbers to get someone from India to come up with some kind of official figure. They are still awaiting success.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Pakistani nuclear weapons delivery platform is not cruise missile but ballistic
Issues and more importantly even today their F16s. The F16s are probably backup if their NoKo crap gives away. Babur cruise missile with a range of 700 kms is not a strategic platform and more importantly there is all the possibility of the missile bein tracked and shot down.

F-16's may be more easily tracked by AWACS. US says they have not allowed Pakistan to use F-16 for nukes??The claim that Ghauri can be called a ballistic missile is debatable it is a longer range scud B which should be easy to track ?? Iraqis fired a similar version on Israel during the first Gulf war(91). Reports say they may have fired a few hundred?? Only a few were able to penetrate Israeli airspace. Radar and interception has improved since that time.

http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Pentagon/dodscud.htm


Iraq's Scud Ballistic Missiles

 

[Yusuf]

F-16's may be more easily tracked by AWACS. US says they have not allowed Pakistan to use F-16 for nukes??The claim that Ghauri can be called a ballistic missile is debatable it is a longer range scud B which should be easy to track ?? Iraqis fired a similar version on Israel during the first Gulf war(91). Reports say they may have fired a few hundred?? Only a few were able to penetrate Israeli airspace. Radar and interception has improved since that time.

Taepodong and Nodong missiles are both ballistic missiles from which Pak missiles have been designed.
India may have got AWACS but for Pakistan, F16s are still a nuclear weapons delivery platform just like India has its Jaguars.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Taepodong and Nodong missiles are both ballistic missiles from which Pak missiles have been designed.
India may have got AWACS but for Pakistan, F16s are still a nuclear weapons delivery platform just like India has its Jaguars.

Intersting i always wondered how F-16's made it on the Indian MRCA list? You can also add sukhois to the Jaguars. I still remember how badly many Indians reacted(in USA) when Reagan first ok'd the sale of F-16's to Pakistan.

 

[Yusuf]

F-16's may be more easily tracked by AWACS. US says they have not allowed Pakistan to use F-16 for nukes??The claim that Ghauri can be called a ballistic missile is debatable it is a longer range scud B which should be easy to track ?? Iraqis fired a similar version on Israel during the first Gulf war(91). Reports say they may have fired a few hundred?? Only a few were able to penetrate Israeli airspace. Radar and interception has improved since that time.

DOD: Information Paper- Iraq's Scud Ballistic Missiles


Iraq's Scud Ballistic Missiles

Iraq fired short range scuds of about 300 kms range. NoKo missiles have a range of over 1500 which is the basis of Pak missiles.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Iraq fired short range scuds of about 300 kms range. NoKo missiles have a range of over 1500 which is the basis of Pak missiles.

The scuds have no accuracy i wonder how strategic they will be ?? Maybe pak dosen't care as long as India gets hit with something? The warhead on the Scuds will also be very low kilotonnage.

http://www.ncnk.org/resources/brief...-overview-of-north-korea-s-ballistic-missiles

At 700-750 kg (about 1540 to 1653 pounds) the weight of the warhead

.75 kiloton

 

[Yusuf]

The scuds have no accuracy i wonder how strategic they will be ?? Maybe pak dosen't care as long as India gets hit with something?

But Pak is not using short range scuds or it's derivative.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

But Pak is not using short range scuds or it's derivative.

The warhead is still not that great probably 1.5kilotons. To use this and get relpy in 200 kiloton does not sound like a good strategy?? Scuds usually have to be fired in salvos to come close to being effective.

this is the one Pak got


The Taepodong-1 or Paketusan-1, a MRBM, is believed to have a range of 1,500-2,500 km (about 930-1,555 miles).[76] As noted above, it was tested in 1998, when it failed to launch a satellite. Some analysts believe that the DPRK has deployed 10 Tapeodong-1 missiles.[77] However, other analysts believe that the Taepodong-1 is "a transitory product for the development of the Taepodong-2."[78] Such analysts think it is unlikely that the Taepodong-1 has been deployed, since it does not offer significant strategic advantages over the Nondong

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

Pakistan, India to exchange nuclear data today

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and India will exchange lists of nuclear installations and facilities on Sunday, officials said on Saturday.

The annual exchange takes place on January 1 every year under an agreement signed in 1988, when the nuclear neighbours undertook not to attack each other's nuclear facilities. Under the agreement, they are required to exchange lists of their installations on the first working day of each year. The sources said the lists would be exchanged despite weekly holiday on Sunday.

India and Pakistan both conducted nuclear tests in 1998. The "Agreement on the Prohibition of Attack Against Nuclear Installations and Facilities" came into force in January 1991. The lists will be handed over to the officers of the Pakistani and Indian high commissions in Islamabad and New Delhi. The first exchange took place on Jan 1, 1992, and the 2012 exchange will be the 21st consecutive list exchange between the two countries.

Pakistan and India conducted tit for tat nuclear tests in 1998. Both countries are de-facto nuclear powers. India conducted its first nuclear test in 1974, followed by five more in 1998. Pakistan conducted its six nuclear tests in 1998. Neither India nor Pakistan is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). India considers the NPT discriminatory, while Pakistan has indicated that it won't join the international agreement till its neighbour does so.

A peace process was launched in 2004, but that is now on hold following the Mumbai attacks, with New Delhi pressuring Islamabad to do more to punish those responsible for the carnage and to crack down on anti-India groups. On Tuesday, senior Pakistani and Indian officials concluded two-day talks on conventional and nuclear confidence-building measures (CBMs) in Islamabad. This was the first meeting of the Joint Working Group on nuclear and conventional CBMs in over four year, which was held in 'cordial and constructive atmosphere'.

The two sides had agreed to recommend to their foreign secretaries to extend the validity of the Agreement on Reducing the Risk from Accidents Relating to Nuclear Weapons for another five years. The foreign secretaries of the two countries met in Islamabad in June 2011, where both sides agreed to reconvene the two expert groups that last met in New Delhi in October 2007. online

 

[ace009]

They exchange what they believe is already known and what they think can be hit "by mistake". Not everything is revealed - especially not the real important and secret ones.