Pakistan has no friends in region: Ahmed Rashid

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  1. ejazr

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    http://www.thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?ID=31995&Cat=4&dt=2/20/2011

    Noted author and journalist Ahmed Rashid has said Pakistan is facing some real geo-strategic problems as it has become so isolated that it has been left with no friends in the region.

    “We don’t have regional allies. Arabs have had enough with Taliban and Afghanistan. China is close to us, but it’s aware of the religious extremist tendencies here which pose a serious threat to China due to its rebellious Muslim population. India can’t be a friend after what we’ve done in Kashmir. We’ve created an enormous sense of distrust among the Central Asian countries, thanks to our military policies.”

    During a candid talk on “Regional Situation – Opportunities for Pakistan”, organised by Pakistan Institute of Maritime Affairs at the Defence Central Library, the author of international bestseller Taliban said: “Pakistan is still harbouring terrorism in the region as a national foreign policy tool. We should get rid of the militaristic approach towards Afghanistan. If we’ve interests over there, so do other regional countries. We are not their sole neighbour. So, we should abandon the idea of a so-called Pakistan-brokered peace in Afghanistan.”

    Admitting that Pakistan was the most important neighbour of the war-torn Central Asian country due to the largest shared borderline, Pakhtun population and traditional friendly ties between the two countries for the last 30 years, Rashid believed it was time for Pakistan to give up its monopolistic policy towards Afghanistan.

    “We are losing our position. Our leverage over Afghanistan is becoming lesser and lesser with time. Iran is attracting 60 percent of Afghan trade. Therefore, the key is to develop a regional strategy to secure peace.”

    On the general perception of an Indian threat, he said: “A country with 10 percent growth rate won’t go for war.”

    On the Kargil war, Rashid was of the opinion that its political repercussions had proved to be chronic for Pakistan as it contributed to further isolation of the country in the world. “We somehow conveyed the message during the war that we were willing to use our nuclear weapons.”

    Rashid, an international journalist with unparallel access to top politicians and militant leaders in Pakistan and Afghanistan, said that if Pakistan wanted India out of Afghanistan, India would become a “spoiler” in Central Asia, Balochistan and even in Fata.

    “Do our leaders really see common sense in pursuing the Cold War dreams? Aren’t we ready to dump the luggage we’ve been carrying since the Cold War? I believe we should begin to consider the new geo-political realities.”

    Stressing the need for a new foreign policy based on friendship and peaceful co-existence, he said Pakistan had become militarily, politically and economically weaker since the Cold War and it was no more capable of pursuing a hostile policy in the region.

    He said the country’s security establishment had been reluctant to bring the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) into the mainstream in order to keep it as a no-man’s-land to train bad guys against foreign enemies.

    The seemingly hostile audience was not convinced with Rashid’s proposal for a limited Pakistan role in Afghanistan. When one member of the audience stood to defend Pakistan’s monopolistic approach to Afghanistan by recalling the hospitality of Pakistanis for the Afghan refugees and the country’s military support to the Afghan revolt against the Soviet Union, the signs of frustration were clear on the speaker’s face. “Let’s make it clear that Afghans owe us nothing. Damn it, what we did in Afghanistan we did for our so-called national interests. So let’s call a spade a spade.”

    However, he was optimistic that Pakistan still had a geo-political advantage in the Gulf, Central Asia and South Asia – only if exploited wisely by the security establishment.
     
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  3. tgrhfei

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    no,china and pakistan are friends!we will support each other forever!
     
  4. Yusuf

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    Realistic assessment by Rashid. From time to time we hear sane voices there. Unfortunately no one wants to pay any heed to such voices.
     
  5. The Messiah

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    Whore never has "real" friends...so why are they surprised ?
     
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    Good for you. Some more of China's friends include failed/failing states North Korea, Somalia! Pakistan should wake up from the bosom slumber, that is China. Might do wonders for them. Might!
     
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    The more friendly China gets with Pakistan the closer we get to Japan and USA. It is a benefit in many ways and also helps
    economically (free trade agreement with Japan). Thank you China.
     
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    /\/\/\ Yes. Also if we have a look around, the thread title suits even China. :)
     
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    What are you talking about, they have each other. :D
     
  10. maomao

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    LOL Communist Party of China is no ones friend, we have seen what has happened with your age old friends Russia, Vietnam etc etc......U will suck dry already beggar and shameless pakistan, and leave happily to suck on Africa through failed state pakistan, so quit this BS. Further tell me, till now how have you improved/helped pakistan, over lets say 20 yrs? As of date, due to your efforts and friendship, pakistan has achieved great feats of being a failed state and a bankrupt nation, and title of being epitome of terrorism,kind of another of your BFF - NK! pakistani militants will soon break China into pieces, they eye on Xingjiang and its fact, deal with it :D
     
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    They are a cheap friend in the recent floods India gave 5 million compared to China's 1.5 million,some higher than mountain friend.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/39008/india-offers-5m-in-aid-to-pakistan/
     
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    china is using pakistan against india

    and fact s no one is friend no one is enemy
     
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    [​IMG]

    from a Pakistani forum
     
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    LOL If this is from a pakistani forum, then there goes their so called friendship Hahhahahahahhah....How can a beggar nation and its shameless people be "equal" friends of Developing China and its hardworking people? Its such a mystery!! :D
     
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    One should not be optimist about what Achmed Rashid has to say.

    It will not cut ice in Pakistan.
     
  16. Ray

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    Is it a beggar nation?

    They feel that they are being paid for services rendered! ;)

    And for that they are selling their soul quite willingly.

    They call it geopolitics and geostrategy!
     
  17. Bangalorean

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    Sir. As MaoMao said above, how can a beggar nation and its shameless people be "equal" friends of Developing China and its hardworking people? The reality is that China is just using Pakistan for its own benefits. When Pakistan actually begins to go down the tubes, China will cast Pakistan aside like a used condom.

    Even countries that are hostile to China like the USA and other Western nations, Japan, Korea, India etc. have respect for China due to China's fast pace of development. But you might have heard the old saying: "a man is known by the company he keeps". This is true for nations too. We wonder why China always prefers the company of beggar nations or failed states!
     
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    China is a friend of Pakistan and they will fight India till the last Pakistani!

    This is what a Colonel of the Canadian Army said. He was of Chinese origin.


    I won't use the word 'beggar' as it sounds cruel to use against impoverished people living on handouts.

    Communists favour poor people or failed people since their 'ism' attracts the poor as Communism spins and sells delusions.
     
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    Chinese needs chamchasssss and more over beggers can't be threat in future. once begger will remain beggers
     
  20. Tshering22

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    That's an amazing assessment of realities this Rashid guy has made. I have some respect for people like Rashid, Najam Sethi, Pervez Hoodbhoy etc who see the situation as realistically as possible rather than living in Zahil Hamid's la-la land. A very apt description.
     
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    Combine a high-strung Punjabi mentality and Islam as religion together and what do you get - a bombastic ego that thinks its better than everyone else.

    This essentially is the mentality of the Pakistani people. Its not that they are no smart realistic forward thinking intellectuals in Pakistan. They are plenty of people who can think logically there. But they have no influence.

    The Army is still thinking of strategic leverage. Their limited successes in operations like Kargil and Mumbai 26/11 gives them the encouragement to keep pursuing the use of terror as a strategic lever. They use terror and their nuclear weapons to get whatever international leverage they can by threatening the world with the consequences of nuclear chaos in the hand of terrorists.

    So its no surprise that Pakistan is rotting from within. The only real leverage is its location and its use of terror. The US only engages Pakistan because it has to sustain its Afghan operations. To all other countries Pakistan is like a rotting carcass with a unbearable stench........except, of-course for China.

    For China, Pakistan is a sweet smelling rose willing to undertake risky attacks against India and create constant turmoil for India. That makes the Chinese forget the stench and jump into bed with Pak. This is the reason why China coddles up to so many Failed pariah states.

    If that rotting carcass eventually crumbles; then China will get a first-hand taste of what India has been experiencing. Pakistan thinks it can blackmail the world into providing aid and support in return for not allowing nukes from getting into the wrong hands.

    Its a very high-stakes game.
     
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