Pakistan: General Developments - Musharraf warns of new military coup in Pakistan

[nirmal]

I think possibly a 26/11 like situation in US will make US wake up and really"do something" than just sheer talking

 

[nitesh]

Militant groups still operating openly in Pak: report ​

here is the proof of it



http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...lish-online/lahore+(The+Nation+:+Lahore+News)
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The APC convenor Hafiz Saif Ullah Mansoor presided over the meeting which was particpated by Prof Hafiz Abdul Rehman of Jamat-ud-Dawa, Inudus River Water Council chairman Hafiz Zahoor-ul-Hassan, Muttahida Kisan Mahaz president Muhammad Ayub Khan, Dr Farid Paracha of Jamat-e-Islami, Allama Zubair Ahmad Zaheer of Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadees, Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf senior vice president Ejaz Ahamd Chaudhry, PPP central secretary information Dr Fakhar Uddin, PML-N Kisan Wing president Major (r) Zulifqar Ali Shah and others spoke on the occasion. Hafiz Abdul Rehman said India had planned to destroy the next generation of Pakistan under the umbrella of ceasefire and bilateral relation. During the Musharraf's regime, India had constructed Baghlehar and Kishan Ganga dams and present government was also trying to make bilateral relations with India through dialogue.
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[ajtr]

I think possibly a 26/11 like situation in US will make US wake up and really"do something" than just sheer talking

If the usa can sacrifice 3000 of its citizens in 9/11 then few 100s doesnt matter for it in 26/11 type attack. Let the posters not remain in some dreamworld that 26/11 type attack on usa soil will move it to take action against pakistan.If ever usa was ever ever interested in WOT it would have attacked the pakistan rather than iraq.And usa had perfect alibi to attack pakistan coz of the involvement of ISI in the planning and execution and financing of 9/11.refer following links........

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A

http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terror_as_a_Policy_Tool.htm
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

The strategic importance of pakistan to usa matters more than the few 100s or couple of 1000s usa citizen live.reason being...
1. in pakistan usa find mercenary pak army who does its dirty work through its proxy jehadis from bosnia to somalia to afghanistan to chehneya to Sinkiang china and india.
2.pakistan sits at the tri-junction of Eurasia/central asia and the sub continent and only willing country usa find s to advance its interest pakistan. there are three major powers russia/china/india are in this region.and pakistan always remains launch pad for usa to destabilize these countries and region as whole so as to keep this region in perpetual conflict so that no major power emerge to challenge usa dominance.

If you go through this thread: A geostrategy for Eurasia by Zbigniew Brzezinski it makes sense Why usa supports pakistan militarily /economically even in the face of so many terror attacks on usa which directly links pakistan to them.WOT was the biggest farce usa pulled up after 9/11 just have entry in the region.

 

[ajtr]

40 terror camps near Af-Pak border'

NEW DELHI: The latest authentication of Pakistan's reluctance to rein in terrorists operating out of its territory has come from Russian ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin: around 40 terror camps are still active in the Pakistan-Afghanistan border areas and Islamabad is yet to dismantle them.

Kadakin, in his second stint as ambassador to India, told TOI in an exclusive interview that this information was based on Russian satellite imagery and intelligence.

"From the information we have, there are about 38 to 40 such terror camps. Earlier they would have these bright green boards declaring the name of the organization like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), they have now removed them. However, the camps still remain,'' Kadakin said, adding Pakistan had not done enough to get rid of these camps.
Kadakin's statement is extremely significant because it corroborates Indian intelligence reports that LeT has become more active in the region and is looking to target India's interests in Afghanistan. On the developing situation in Afghanistan, Kadakin said Russia was "united 100% with India".

"Moderate Taliban is an oxymoron. It's like saying moderate fascist or moderate Nazi. Also, we believe there is greater role for India in Afghanistan as a peace factor than some other countries. Russia too has a greater role and we are ready to train their personnel, reconstruct Soviet-era factories and provide medical help," said Kadakin, who described India as Russia's greatest friend.

After his meeting with Russian PM Vladimir Putin in March, PM Manmohan Singh had said India and Russia had agreed to "intensify consultations" on Afghanistan.

Kadakin said Russia did not favour immediate withdrawal of US-led forces from Afghanistan, an opinion that will come as music to Indian ears. "We are not for hastened withdrawal. In fact, if they withdraw immediately, there will be hell in Afghanistan. It is important that at least some semblance of order is maintained before it happens," said Kadakin.

In the past, Russian authorities have said bringing in more troops in Afghanistan would worsen the situation and NATO should leave immediately after finishing its job.

According to Kadakin, India-Russia ties have actually become stronger than was the case in the Soviet era. "What we now have is more of pragmatic affection than romantic infatuation of the days of Hindi-Rusi bhai bhai," he said, referring to growing defence and nuclear cooperation. Kadakin was Russia's ambassador to India from 1999 to 2004 and was appointed ambassador again last year.

 

[Rebelkid]

http://www.markthetruth.com/current-affairs/490-times-square-conspiracy-against-pakistan.html

Its a big article..but her eis a small quote from inside

"The fact of the matter is that the ........... attempt at the ............................... was a conspiracy against Pakistan. In this regard, agents of the Indian secret agency RAW and those of the Israeli Mossad who are well-penetrated in the American CIA have prepared that plot in order to achieve a number of designs against Islamabad.

Nevertheless, especially, Indian RAW with the tactical support of Mossad and CIA agents played a key role in motivating .................. (Faisal Shahzad/Ajmal Kasab etc) to seek revenge against ........................ (Americans/British/French/Danish/Indians etc). In this regard, RAW indirectly used so-called Indian ................ (Muslim/Hindu/Jews/Budhist/Christian etc) scholars for brain-washing and indoctrination of .......... (Faisal/Kasab etc).

Indian RAW with the support of Mossad and CIA has prepared it in order to achieve multiple purposes against Islamabad."

 

[bhramos]

Some Pakistan officials know where Osama is: Hillary Clinton

WASHINGTON: US has said that there are elements in Pakistan's administration who were more informed about al-Qaida and Taliban than they let on, as Washington for the first time accused Taliban for being behind the botched Times Square bombing plot.

"Some Pakistani officials were more informed about al-Qaida and Taliban than they let on", Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said.

"I'm not saying that they're at the highest levels but I believe that somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida is, where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban is and we expect more cooperation to help us bring to justice, capture or kill, those who attacked us on 9/11," Clinton told CBS in an interview.

Asked if US was not getting sufficient cooperation from Islamabad in anti-terror drive, the US Secretary of State while acknowledging though there was a "sea change" in cooperation by Pakistani authorities, but added "we want more".

When asked why Obama administration was not piling up pressure on Islamabad to give up Osama bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al Zawahiri, Clinton replied "I have to stand up for the efforts the Pakistani government is taking. They have done a very significant move toward going after the terrorists within their own country".

Her comments come as other senior US officials including Attorney General Eric Holder said they have obtained new evidence that Pakistani Taliban was behind the attempt to trigger a car bomb blast in the heart of New York,

"We know they facilitated the bomb plot and they probably also financed it", the Attorney General told ABC News.
Faisal Shahzad, a 30-year-old naturalised American citizen of Pakistani origin was arrested last Monday for rigging a SUV vehicle to explode in the Times Square.

As the new revelations raised fresh questions about US relationship with Pakistan, Washington has responded by stepping up pressure on Pakistan to crack down on radical Islamic militants safe havens in tribal belt bordering Afghanistan.

New York Times said US military commander in Afghanistan Gen Stanley A McChrystal met Pakistani military chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in Islamabad yesterday and pressed for a new military offensive in North Waziristan, the main base of the Pakistan Taliban.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ma-is-Hillary-Clinton/articleshow/5912567.cms

 

[BunBunCake]

This is a bunch of media adding masala. No one in Pakistan knows where Osama is. And the people that know are part of the Terrorist groups. Period. Pakistani officials would never hide this! Reasons on why are countless....

@Hillary, if she knew that 'some low level' Pakistani officials know about al-Qaeda, and Osama; I wonder they haven't contacted higher officials, and even demanded such evidences from Pakistan.

Hillary is giving her usual "MY OPINION" speeches.

 

[bhramos]

that could be true, the most of ISI officers are with Taliban........

 

[BunBunCake]

that could be true, the most of ISI officers are with Taliban........

Bro stop blaming ISI for everything. That's old now. This Pakistanis blaming RAW, and Indians blaming ISI is pointless argument that's going in circles. We have no evidence. True the ISI was linked with Terrorists before.. doesn't mean they are now. Give sources first. If you have something credible that ISI knows about Osama, etc, then you've proved your point.

Using our gut feeling (which typical Indian want to blame ISI and Pak govt for) won't help us much when it comes to getting others to believe.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Why does this matter when USA is not even looking for Osama Bin Laden like they once were?? CIA closed the unit looking for him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400375.html
CIA Reportedly Disbands Bin Laden Unit

 

[BunBunCake]

Why does this matter when USA is not even looking for Osama Bin Laden like they once were?? CIA closed the unit looking for him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/04/AR2006070400375.html
CIA Reportedly Disbands Bin Laden Unit

CIA isn't the only organization in the United States that hunts criminals
It may be that the US had slowed or stopped even the search for Osama, but Osama is still the #1 Target of the US.

They have no other big fish to catch.

 

[tarunraju]

This is a bunch of media adding masala. No one in Pakistan knows where Osama is. And the people that know are part of the Terrorist groups. Period. Pakistani officials would never hide this! Reasons on why are countless....

Of course they could. The longer they 'hide' it, the longer US sticks around in the region, and the longer Pakistan gets obligatory aid which ends up in the elites' pockets.

 

[ajtr]

Militants in no mood to talk​

By Syed Saleem Shahzad

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan stands at a crossroad in its battle against militancy.

On the one hand, its Washington ally wants to turn their strategic partnership into a closer military alliance in which the United States would help the Pakistani military significantly ramp up the war against militancy - meaning opening a new battlefield, as the Americans did in Laos during the Vietnam war.

Alternatively, Pakistan is tempted to set aside American interests and apply its own mechanism to defeat militancy - which means striking deals with the "good" Taliban and defeating the "bad" Taliban without care for the consequences on the war in



Afghanistan or the future of al-Qaeda and its allied Punjabi groups operating in the Pakistani tribal areas.

Pakistan took a step towards the second option at the weekend when it air-dropped leaflets in the North Waziristan tribal area warning pro-Taliban tribes "to back out of their support of the militants [al-Qaeda and its associate Punjabi militants] or face the consequences, like the people of Swat and Bajaur -tribal agencies] faced and lost their properties and assets".

For hawkish decision-makers in Washington and "bad" militants in North Waziristan, there is another option: remove Pakistani links in the war and deal directly with one another on Pakistani soil.

Last week, the Barack Obama administration authorized the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to step up drone attacks on militants in the tribal areas to include missile strikes against unknown targets. Previously, a suspect had to be identified. The CIA wasted no time. In a series of attacks over the weekend, at least 10 militants were reported killed in North Waziristan.

The hardcore militants also flexed their muscles by blocking efforts led by the Afghan Taliban, who are not hostile towards Pakistan, for a truce and for the release of a former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) hostage.

Colonel Ameer Sultan Tarrar, nicknamed "Colonel Imam" by the mujahideen as he was instrumental in helping to raise the Taliban militia, was abducted by a Punjabi group, the Asian Tigers, on March 25, along with journalist Asad Qureshi. The bullet-riddled body of Khalid Khawaja, another former ISI official who was abducted at the same time, was recently found in North Waziristan.

The Tigers ignored instructions from Taliban leader Mullah Omar that the men should be freed, instead issuing a list of high-profile men in Pakistani jails to be released in 15 days. Otherwise, they said, Tarrar would meet the same fate as Khawaja. For the release of Qureshi, there is a separate demand of US$10 million in ransom. See Qureshi's video below sent to ATol at the weekend.



The New York Times reported on Friday that evidence of ties between the man accused of trying to car bomb Times Square in New York - Faisal Shahzad - and Pakistani militants had intensified debate inside the Barack Obama administration about expanding America's military presence in Pakistan. Some officials are said to want to increase the number of special operations forces working with Pakistani troops in the western mountains.

In a dispatch from Washington, the newspaper said the American military presence in Pakistan had already grown substantially over the past year, and now totaled more than 200 troops, part of a largely secret program to share intelligence with the Pakistani army and paramilitary troops and train them to battle militant groups.

This would play into the hands of the militants, who aim to lure the Americans into what they see as a trap in the rugged mountainous terrain on Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

Militants make demands
Among the 150 prisoners the militants want released are those involved in an attack on military headquarters in Rawalpindi, the killing of a retired general, abductions for ransom, and those allegedly connected to the attack on Mumbai in India in November 2008. Interior Minister Rahman Malik, who is traveling in Britain, was unable to respond to questions from Asia Times Online.

The militants had initially said they would release both captives.

A militant spokesman, Usman Punjabi, told ATol on April 29 on the telephone that Khawaja would be executed (which happened the next day) but that Colonel Imam would be released as he was not a part of Khawaja's plan to negotiate peace between the militants and the military,

Other sources told ATol that Colonel Imam was to be released because of pressure from the Afghan Taliban and that he would be handed into the custody of Afghan Taliban commander Jalaluddin Haqqani's group led by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, the chief of the Taliban in North Waziristan. This was also widely reported in the Pakistani media.

However, everything changed with the arrest of Faisal Shahzad in New York and the ramping up of the drone program. Al-Qaeda forcibly put its foot down and managed to undermine the authority of Mullah Omar.

"It was completely wrong news that we agree to the release of Colonel Imam and Asad Qureshi," Usman Punjabi told ATol on the telephone on Sunday. "We did not receive any direct instruction from Mullah Omar. We did not see any direct emissary of Mullah Omar's. What we heard regarding the instructions [from Mullah Omar] was just talk by some ISI-backed Taliban groups in North Waziristan that they had been asked by Mullah Omar to release Colonel Imam.

"So we have asked them to provide evidence - any audio or video recording of Mullah Omar in which he ordered the release of Colonel Imam. We cannot believe the words of just any person in that regard," said Usman Punjabi.

"For us Colonel Imam was not a mujahid. If he was assumed in the past as the father of the Taliban, he did that as a government employee - being an army officer. He still receives a pension from the Pakistan army. To us he is their man," said Usman Punjabi. This is in direct contradiction to what he earlier told ATol, that Colonel Imam would be released.

It is becoming apparent that al-Qaeda is calling the shots in North Waziristan and creating a situation under which the good and bad Taliban will not have any choice but to operate under al-Qaeda's flagship while trying to entice the US into a fight.

 

[ajtr]

Educated and radical: Why Pakistan produces Faisal Shahzads

Educated and radical: Why Pakistan produces Faisal Shahzads ​

In Pakistan, educated middle-class youths such as Faisal Shahzad, the accused Times Square car bomber, have ready access to jihadist and other radical, anti-American resources.

Islamabad, Pakistan
What turns the affluent and educated offspring of the Pakistani middle-classes – young people such as Faisal Shahzad – toward militancy?

That's a question some Pakistani analysts are mulling following the arrest last week of Mr. Shahzad, the accused Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad. If found guilty, he would add to a string of high-profile college-educated terrorists of Pakistani origin, including "Lady Al Qaeda" Aafia Siddiqui and 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

While the United States and the international community attempt to combat religious extremism through economic development, such as a recent American aid package to Pakistan pledging $7.5 billion of nonmilitary aid over 5 years, some argue that fighting poverty and illiteracy are not enough. Instead cultural factors, such as a virulently anti-American media, "toxic" syllabi at public schools, and the general availability of jihadist material may have become dangers as well.

Mr. Shahzad spent his formative years in Pakistan during the rule of the hard-line Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, who instituted a school curriculum that bred intolerance toward religions other than Islam and glamorized militancy, notes Pervez Hoodbhoy, a social commentator and professor at Islamabad's Quaid-i-Azam University.

"Murderous intent follows with the conviction that the US is responsible for all ills, both in Pakistan and the world of Islam," he writes in Dawn, a leading English-language daily.

'Pakistan's answer to Glenn Beck'

Unchecked hate speech and rampant conspiracy theories in Pakistan may also play a part in radicalizing some of the nation's educated youth, says Sherry Rehman, a lawmaker from the ruling Pakistan People's Party who was until recently the country's Information Minister.

"These [programs] need to be looked at and reviewed. Instead of demonizing the Taliban, they glamorize them," she says.

One of the most popular nightly TV shows hosted by Zaid Hamid regularly unfurls elaborate sinister theories about how the US is attempting to destabilize Pakistan. Mr. Hamid is dubbed by some as "Pakistan's answer to Glenn Beck," the popular talk show host on Fox News derided by many as promoting outlandish theories. Hamid also advocates the Pakistani conquest of longtime rival India and has suggested that the 2008 Mumbai attacks were staged to victimize Pakistan, in the same way the 9/11 attacks were "staged." The show has a massive following among Pakistani youth, and supporters include celebrities such as rock star Ali Azmat and fashion designer Maria B.

Jihadist websites

Another concern, not only in Pakistan, is easy access to jihadist websites. On Monday, Fox News reported that while in the US, a man named Faisal Shahzad became a regular commenter on Islamist Salafist sites with connections to Al Qaeda.

Such sources can help steer personal crises or political resentment into ideological anger. Media reports have said Shahzad may have been in dire straits financially or angry at US military action in Muslim countries.

Many Pakistanis have legitimate concerns regarding the US involvement in Afghanistan and the negative impact it has had upon Pakistan since 9/11, says Cyril Almeida, a Dawn columnist. But he says that what sets Pakistan apart from other countries with populations that are hostile toward the US, in Latin America for example, is the ease with which angry youth are able to seek out jihadist material and find so-called "hangers" – a sort of career adviser in militancy who will act as a counselor and make the necessary introductions to jihadist groups.

Mr. Almedia notes that, even when Pakistani media name mosques that are affiliated with banned jihadist groups, the government or police do not act on that information.

"If this [material] wasn't out there and accessible," he says, then people like Shahzad "would not be able to move from Phase A, which is some kind of vague anger at the sins committed by America, to Phase B, which is violent extremism."

 

[ajtr]

Pakistan tests missiles as U.S. lectures them about terrorism​

Amidst all the noise and haste over the Times Square bomber, as the White House and senior State Department officials collectively wagged their fingers at Pakistan's leaders on Saturday, something worthy of mention took place: Pakistan test-fired two nuclear-capable ballistic missiles.

The success of the test itself and the rhetoric that followed was a grim reminder as to why Western powers cannot simply dictate to Pakistan how they should run their internal security function. It was a frustrating reminder that the U.S. cannot take measures into its own hands and attack the people who masterminded 9/11 and are now feeding – nay, I'd say leading, the insurgency in Afghanistan. The U.S. cannot increase the number of boots-on-the-ground or launch a full-scale invasion of Pakistan's badlands at will. If Pakistan didn't have nukes, the U.S. would have taken care of Pakistan's internal security issues for them- with or without their permission.

Granted, the maximum range of the Shaheen-I ballistic missile is only 400 miles and the Ghaznavi ballistic missile can only travel up to 185; however, what these projectiles can do is travel a sufficient enough distance to strike India and trigger a nuclear war, which would not be in the best geopolitical interests of anyone.

Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani reminded the world that Pakistan is a de facto nuclear power, and now it was time for the world to officially validate reality. Gilani said in a statement:

"It is time for the world to recognize Pakistan as a de jure nuclear power with equal rights and responsibilities."

Prime Minister Gilani sounded annoyed about the international community's anxiety over the security of Pakistan's nuclear program, claiming he had "laid to rest" all of these concerns. Gilani said:
"There is now a need for the world to move on beyond safety and security concerns."

He demanded that Pakistan be provided with a Nuclear Supplier Group waiver for civil application of nuclear power, saying that nuclear energy was a clean way forward. He also indicated this was the deal he struck with Washington at last month's Nuclear Summitt.

The reason other countries take pause about officially accepting Pakistan as a nuclear power is because it's currently the single biggest cauldron of terrorism in the world, a failing state by any definition. And the consternation over security is well warranted, considering there's been three attacks within the last two years on nuclear facilities, which is three too many. Two of the attacks were orchestrated by two different "home grown" terrorist networks and the other attempt was by the Tehreek-e-Taliban.

Not to mention Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan sold some of the enrichment technology to Iran, North Korea and Libya in 2004, with evidence that there were a few "in the know" within the military and government establishments.

There is need to worry when political leaders of the country's largest province – Punjab – have been accused of not only tolerating, but supporting local Islamist militants who are allied with the Pakistani Taliban. Shahbaz Sharif, the head of the Punjab government went so far as to publicly plea to militants not to attack his province because his government did not follow the dictates of the U.S. Not only that, the Pakistani Taliban tried to attack a Punjab nuclear complex as early as last October. And now the latest problem for Pakistan, of course, is the potential ties between the Times Square bomber and the extremist group Jaish-e-Mohammed which is headquartered in Punjab.

Plus, this is without getting into a discussion about how the leaders of the Afghan Taliban movement, the group that originally provided a haven for al-Qaeda, learned their radical Islamic theology in madrassas in Pakistan. So, no need to worry about the Taliban next door infecting and causing Pakistan to become unstable - it's the other way around (and has been this way since 1979).

Pakistan's nuclear capability has allowed them to avoid invasion and they are able to fight militants ultimately on their own terms and their own timetable (it would seem). The irony is that the nuclear program will never be recognized until Pakisan is able to address the terrorist breeding ground issue.

The U.S. and the international community should make a deal with Pakistan, one that sort of looks like this: Pakistan will be recognized as a de jure nuclear power once it ceases to be a de facto sanctuary for some of the world's most dangerous terrorist organizations (or, to put it another way- once hell freezes over).

 

[ajtr]

Hillary did not warn Pakistan of 'severe consequences': US​

WASHINGTON: The secretary of state Hillary Clinton did not warn Islamabad of "severe consequences" if a terrorist attack inside the US were to be have its foot print in Pakistan, two top officials of the State Department have said.

"I don't think she said that," assistant secretary of state for public affairs PJ Crowley told reporters when asked about such a statement given by Clinton in an interview to the CBS news on Sunday.

"I think she (Clinton) was responding to a hypothetical question that the United States, would take seriously any link to a foreign country where there are successful terrorist attacks. She's not singling out any one country in particular," Crowley asserted.

US special representative for Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke, while addressing the media at Washington Foreign Press Centre, said that CBS edited the interview and did not show the entire portion of its interview with Clinton.

"As a result, the quotes appeared to be different than what the Secretary of State actually meant."

Holbrooke also said US aid to Pakistan would be impacted as a result of recent developments; consequent of the investigations according to which Pakistani Taliban was responsible for the failed Times Square bombing attempt.

"She herself praised the Pakistan government for what it has done. And so, I urge you not to react to a misrepresentation of what she said, although I think that happens from time to time," Holbrooke said asking journalists to get in touch with the state department spokesman for full unedited transcripts of the interview.

According to an as-aired transcript of the interview released by the state department, Clinton was asked: "Even in light of the Times Square bomber, you are comfortable with the cooperation you're getting from the Pakistani Government?"

Clinton answered: "Well, no, I didn't say that. I said that we've gotten more cooperation and it's been a real sea change in the commitment we've seen from the Pakistani Government. We want more. We expect more. We've made it very clear that if, heaven forbid, an attack like this that we can trace back to Pakistan was to have been successful, there would be very severe consequences."

Observing that Clinton's quotes were not been taken in proper context, Holbrook said: "I think that perhaps it was not fully understood for what she was saying by some people who didn't see the full text or didn't appreciate what she was saying. And of course, it was an edited interview."

 

[bhramos]

Bro stop blaming ISI for everything. That's old now. This Pakistanis blaming RAW, and Indians blaming ISI is pointless argument that's going in circles. We have no evidence. True the ISI was linked with Terrorists before.. doesn't mean they are now. Give sources first. If you have something credible that ISI knows about Osama, etc, then you've proved your point.

Using our gut feeling (which typical Indian want to blame ISI and Pak govt for) won't help us much when it comes to getting others to believe.

i dont know much could this help me but, i am giving some sources.

Pakistan's ISI still supporting the Taliban, say Afghans
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...still-supporting-the-Taliban-say-Afghans.html

US Claims Pakistan's ISI 'Directly Supporting' Taliban in Afghanistan
http://news.antiwar.com/2009/03/25/...i-directly-supporting-taliban-in-afghanistan/

 

[ajtr]

ALetter from karachi published in daily times

India vs Pakistan

Sir: We should not be shocked at India's defeat in the T-20 match against the Australians. The margin of defeat shows that India means business when it comes to Pakistan. They have proved that if Pakistan can lose to the Australians, so can they. India wants to show to the world that it is against terrorism, so what better way than to lose a cricket match, which everyone thought they would win? Pakistan had better be careful. If it wants to outdo India, it will have to lose by an even greater margin. And if it does not do anything to dismantle the terrorist training camps, which exist only in India's imagination, India might end up by finishing at the bottom. Watch out, Pakistan!
SHAKIR LAKHANI
Karachi

 

[Soham]

^^^

They actually said that ? Seriously ! WTF ?

 

[ajtr]

Bro stop blaming ISI for everything. That's old now. This Pakistanis blaming RAW, and Indians blaming ISI is pointless argument that's going in circles. We have no evidence. True the ISI was linked with Terrorists before.. doesn't mean they are now. Give sources first. If you have something credible that ISI knows about Osama, etc, then you've proved your point.

Using our gut feeling (which typical Indian want to blame ISI and Pak govt for) won't help us much when it comes to getting others to believe.

Hillary is right on point that pakistan knows whereabouts the taliban and al-qaida leadership in pakistan otherwise tpakistan isi would not have plucked mullah badar etc out of thin air.secondly if you llook around past 8-9 years of pakistan's involvement in WOT it has always arrested some al-qaida leader whenever mushy used to visit usa to cool down tempers in white house.I dont know how many times pakistan has arrested al-qaida leader no. #3 in past 9 years.What pakistan is good at is running with hares hunting with hounds.


If the usa can sacrifice 3000 of its citizens in 9/11 then few 100s doesnt matter for it in 26/11 type attack. Let the posters not remain in some dreamworld that 26/11 type attack on usa soil will move it to take action against pakistan.If ever usa was ever ever interested in WOT it would have attacked the pakistan rather than iraq.And usa had perfect alibi to attack pakistan coz of the involvement of ISI in the planning and execution and financing of 9/11.refer following links........

Pakistani Role in Terrorism Against the U.S.A

http://www.geocities.com/charcha_2000/
http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/Terror_as_a_Policy_Tool.htm
http://sify.com/news/specials/terrormap/?vsv=TopHP1

The strategic importance of pakistan to usa matters more than the few 100s or couple of 1000s usa citizen live.reason being...
1. in pakistan usa find mercenary pak army who does its dirty work through its proxy jehadis from bosnia to somalia to afghanistan to chehneya to Sinkiang china and india.
2.pakistan sits at the tri-junction of Eurasia/central asia and the sub continent and only willing country usa find s to advance its interest pakistan. there are three major powers russia/china/india are in this region.and pakistan always remains launch pad for usa to destabilize these countries and region as whole so as to keep this region in perpetual conflict so that no major power emerge to challenge usa dominance.

If you go through this thread: A geostrategy for Eurasia by Zbigniew Brzezinski it makes sense Why usa supports pakistan militarily /economically even in the face of so many terror attacks on usa which directly links pakistan to them.WOT was the biggest farce usa pulled up after 9/11 just have entry in the region.