Pakistan expanding Nuclear arsenal

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Let me correct you, No first use policy is against another nuclear powered state and No nuke weapon against non nuclear state.
This might help capton,

Its an old document

Heidelberg Papers in South Asian and Comparative Politics South Asia Institute Department of Political Science India's Nuclear Doctrine: Context and Constraints

More recent one : Reviewing India's Nuclear Doctrine

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Indian National Security Advisor Shri Shiv Shankar Menon signaled a significant shift from "No first use" to "no first use against non-nuclear weapon states" in a speech on the occasion of Golden Jubilee celebrations of National Defence College in New Delhi on October 21, 2010, a doctrine Menon said reflected India's "strategic culture, with its emphasis on minimal deterrence."
 

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you are right Yusuf but Chinese have an obsession with numbers look at the new DF-31's they have MIRV'ed a big dinosaur, if the numbers are not big the Chinese may not respond?? If they can play tit for tat at the kiloton levels using Pak, we will have to play at the megaton level to be on the same field with them.
Minimum deterrence. We don't need any overkill. Mega ton bombs were for old inaccurate missiles. Chinese bombs are 300-500 kt range, all the deployed ones,
 

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Thanks for the doctrine link chex

I used to say that India should have a NFU against SAARC countries only. This because India can easily defeat Pakistan conventionally and there would be no need for first strike against Pakistan.

China is a different case and they should not have the complacency of a NFU policy.

This new articulation by Shiv Shankar Menon should be publicised though. NFU against non-nuke state means even Pakistan as well as China can be hit by first strike and should act as a deterrent for being to mischevous.
 

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Thanks for the doctrine link chex

I used to say that India should have a NFU against SAARC countries only. This because India can easily defeat Pakistan conventionally and there would be no need for first strike against Pakistan.

China is a different case and they should not have the complacency of a NFU policy.

This new articulation by Shiv Shankar Menon should be publicised though. NFU against non-nuke state means even Pakistan as well as China can be hit by first strike and should act as a deterrent for being to mischevous.
Ejaz you have not completely grasped the concept of detterence.Detterence holds credibility as long as the nukes are not launched.Refer to OOE's posts in DFI
 

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Pak overtakes UK in nuclear capability: Report

Washington:pakistan is steadily building up its nuclear arsenal since President Barack Obama took office in 2009 and the country is on its way to overtake Britain as well as France, as the fifth largest nuclear weapon power.

"New American intelligence assessments have concluded that Pakistan has steadily expanded its nuclear arsenal since President Obama came to office, and that it is building the capability to surge ahead in the production of nuclear-weapons material, putting it on a path to overtake Britain as the world's fifth largest nuclear weapons power," The New York Times reported.

"The country already has more than enough weapons for an effective deterrent against India," an official said speaking on condition of anonymity.

The US, Russia and China are currently the three largest nuclear weapons states.

"If those estimates are correct - and some government officials regard them as high - it would put Pakistan on a par with long-established nuclear powers," the paper said.

'The New York Times' report comes a day after 'The Washington Post' reported that Pakistan has doubled its nuclear and arms stockpile to 110 warheads. The State Department, however, refused to comment on all such reports.

"These are estimates attributed to a non-governmental organization. We do not comment on nuclear issues, particularly the size of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal," State Department spokesman P J Crowley, told reporters at his daily news conference.

According to 'The New York Times', the new American military assistance poses a direct challenge to a central element of the Obama's national security strategy, the reduction of nuclear stockpiles around the world.

"Pakistan's determination to add considerably to its arsenal - mostly to deter India - has also become yet another irritant in its often testy relationship with Washington, particularly as Pakistan seeks to block Obama's renewed efforts to negotiate a global treaty that would ban the production of new nuclear material," it said.

"When Obama came to office, his aides were told that the arsenal "was in the mid-to-high 70s," according to one official who had been briefed at the time, though estimates ranged from 60 to 90," the daily said adding that the number of deployed weapons now ranges from the mid-90s to more than 110.

"We've seen a consistent, constant buildup in their inventory, but it hasn't been a sudden rapid rise. We're very, very well aware of what they're doing," a senior American military official was quoted as saying.

White House officials share the assessment that the increase in actual weapons has been what one termed "slow and steady," it said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/pak-overtakes-uk-in-nuclear-capability-report/744637/1
 
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http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Al_Qaeda_actively_seeking_dirty_bombs_documents_999.html

Al Qaeda actively seeking "dirty" bombs: documents

Al-Qaeda is attempting to procure nuclear material and recruit rogue scientists in order to build a radioactive "dirty bomb," leaked documents published in Wednesday's Telegraph newspaper revealed.

The cables, released by the WikiLeaks website, showed that security chiefs told a Nato meeting in January 2009 that Al-Qaeda was planning a programme of "dirty radioactive improvised explosive devices (IEDs)."

The makeshift nuclear bombs, which could be used against soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, would contaminate the surrounding area for years to come.

The leaked documents also revealed that Al-Qaeda papers found in 2007 convinced security officials that "greater advances" had been made in bio-terrorism than was previously feared.

US security personnel were warned in 2008 that terrorists had "the technical competence to manufacture an explosive device beyond a mere dirty bomb."

Also laid bare in the diplomatic cables are the attempts made to smuggle volatile materials as rogue organisations seek to get their hands on weapons-grade fuel.

The memos detailed how a freight train on the Kazakhstan-Russia border was found to be carrying weapons-grade material while a "small-time" dealer in Lisbon tried to sell radioactive plates stolen from Chernobyl.

In a separate leaked memo, which documented a January 2010 meeting between Janet Napolitano, US Secretary of Homeland Security, and European ministers, the German interior minister revealed his concerns over aircraft security.

According to the cable, Thomas de Maiziere expressed his fear that terrorists could use "children's articles to introduce bombs into airplanes."
 

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Al Qaeda actively seeking "dirty" bombs: documents
I've been hearing that since 2001 also they live in sophisticated bunkers oh i forgot what happened to Iraq WMD this is usual western BS.
 

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is pakistan going to sell this more then 100 nuclear bomb in future or threat of sailing them in oder to avail the facilities of credit money / free dollars form western world
 
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is pakistan going to sell this more then 100 nuclear bomb in future or threat of sailing them in oder to avail the facilities of credit money / free dollars form western world
They have done it the past and nothing happened to them (AQ Khan) why should they stop now??? Or even better be a middleman for the Chinese in proliferating nukes then have china get them out of any trouble. Perfect combination where the west/UN/USA has not been able to do anything.
 

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IMHO- they can have 100 nuclear weapons or 500. but here is what they going up against

India's nuclear triad
ensures that even if they had the means to shoot off 100 nuclear tipped missiles into India concurrently and as a surprise attack, they will not survive the retaliation. This assumes that unlike Pakistan, India's nuclear weapons are armed and in place. Pakistan's is not. they need to be assembled and are divided into separate locations
 
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there is no evidence of pak actually selling nukes..designs yes, not ready nukes.
 
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there is no evidence of pak actually selling nukes..designs yes, not ready nukes.
many sources claim that Saudis own Pakistan's nukes??

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=122715
Exposed: Saudi Arabia's secret nuke stash
Riyadh 'confident' it has an atomic option


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2649457/posts
Pakistan makes two nuclear weapons available to Saudi Arabia

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2010/may/11/pakistan-saudiarabia
Pakistan's bomb and Saudi Arabia
 

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I think I have posted this before, for India it doesn't matter how many nuclear bombs Pakistan has, for us the game changed when Pakistan acquired the very first one. However, it has been accepted in Pak, that if it uses its nukes, it will be finished.
 

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realm of speculation. i dont think pak has as yet sold any nukes to saudis. it can be done in the future but it has not happened. US is watching. Saudis probably dont need the nukes as they are under Us protection.
 
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realm of speculation. i dont think pak has as yet sold any nukes to saudis. it can be done in the future but it has not happened. US is watching. Saudis probably dont need the nukes as they are under Us protection.
This may change with a nuclear Iran in the future?? Or Saudis have already anticipated this by financing Pakistan's program??
 

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they may sell in the future. never know. but i dont think they have sold complete nukes already. these figures are also not accurate. they keep coming up from time to time. just a few months back it was 90 and before that it was 60. I dont think pakistan is producing so much fissile material to do that.
 

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The 'giant' next door

Pakistan may soon overtake Britain to become the world's fourth biggest nuclear weapon state. If reports are to be believed, Islamabad has crossed the 100 nuclear weapon mark."ƒIt has no plans to halt its fissile material programme. It cites India's "freedom" to divert material from its unsafeguarded, military, reactors to produce nuclear weapons."ƒPakistan is confusing nuclear weapons with conventional weapons and thinking that greater numbers equal greater security. Once a country has an effective second strike capability—the ability to respond to a nuclear attack by an adversary—numbers lose salience."ƒThere is no need for India to be perturbed. An effective deterrent is all that we need. If Pakistan wants to waste treasure, effort and gain notoriety in the bargain, that is its sweet wish. No need to raise an undue alarm and certainly none to enter a nuclear arms race.

http://www.livemint.com/2011/02/01192602/The-8216giant8217-next-d.html?atype=tp
 
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they may sell in the future. never know. but i dont think they have sold complete nukes already. these figures are also not accurate. they keep coming up from time to time. just a few months back it was 90 and before that it was 60. I dont think pakistan is producing so much fissile material to do that.
Yusuf they are transitioning from a uranium program to a plutonium program that the Chinese are helping them with, so if they are not making enough fissile material now they soon will be.
 

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Its all fear mongerimg. Britain has 250 nukes. Pakistan is not getting there any time soon.
They may be ramping up production of fissile material but how much? Yes they are now getting into Pu bombs and trying to produce a lot of Pu, but still how do they oe we know they have a working Pu bomb when they have not tested it??
 

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How Many Are Enough ?

It is well known that there are two operational un-safeguarded plutonium-producing reactors at Khushab (with a third one under construction). PHOTO: EPA/FILE

The latest news from America must have thrilled many: Pakistan probably has more nuclear weapons than India. A recent Washington Post article, quoting various nuclear experts, suggests that Pakistan is primed to "surge ahead in the production of nuclear-weapons material, putting it on a path to overtake Britain as the world's fifth largest nuclear weapons power".

Some may shrug off this report as alarmist anti-Pakistan propaganda, while others will question the accuracy of such claims. Indeed, given the highly secret nature of nuclear programmes everywhere, at best one can only make educated guesses on weapons and their materials. For Pakistan, it is well known that the Kahuta complex has been producing highly enriched uranium for a quarter century, and that there are two operational un-safeguarded plutonium-producing reactors at Khushab (with a third one under construction). Still, the exact amounts of bomb-grade material and weapons are closely held secrets.

But for argument's sake, let's assume that the claims made are correct. Indeed, let us suppose that Pakistan surpasses India in numbers – say by 50 per cent or even 100 per cent. Will that really make Pakistan more secure? Make it more capable of facing current existential challenges?

The answer is, no. Pakistan's basic security problems lie within its borders: growing internal discord and militancy, a collapsing economy, and a belief among most citizens that the state cannot govern effectively. These are deep and serious problems that cannot be solved by more or better weapons. Therefore the way forward lies in building a sustainable and active democracy, an economy for peace rather than war, a federation in which provincial grievances can be effectively resolved, elimination of the feudal order and creating a tolerant society that respects the rule of law.

Pakistanis have long imagined the Bomb as a panacea for all ills. It became axiomatic that, in addition to providing total security, the Bomb would give help us liberate Kashmir, give Pakistan international visibility, create national pride and elevate the country's technological status. But these promises proved empty.

The Bomb did nothing to bring Kashmiri liberation closer. India's grip on Kashmir is tighter today than it has been for a long time and is challenged only by the courageous uprising of Kashmiris. Pakistan's strategy for confronting India — secret jihad by Islamic fighters protected by Pakistan's nuclear umbrella — backfired terribly after Kargil and nearly turned Pakistan into an international pariah. More importantly, today's hydra-headed militancy owes to the Kashmiri and Afghan mujahideen who avenged their betrayal by Pakistan's army and politicians by turning their guns against their former sponsors and trainers.

What became of the claim that pride in the bomb would miraculously weld together the disparate peoples who constitute Pakistan? While many in Punjab still want the bomb, angry Sindhis want water and jobs — and they blame Punjab for taking these away. Karachi staggers along with multiple ethnically motivated killings; Muhajirs and Pakhtuns are locked in a deadly battle. As for the Baloch, they are in open revolt. They resent that the two nuclear test sites — now radioactive and out of bounds — are on their soil. Angry at being governed from Islamabad, some have taken up arms and demand that army cantonments be dismantled. The Bomb was no glue.

Some might ask, didn't the Bomb stop India from swallowing up Pakistan? The answer is, no. First, an upward-mobile India has no reason to want an additional 180 million Muslims. Second, even if India wanted to, territorial conquest is impossible. Conventional weapons, used by Pakistan in a defensive mode, are sufficient protection. If the mighty American python could not digest Iraq or Afghanistan, there is zero chance for a middling power like India to occupy Pakistan, a country four times larger than Iraq.

It is, of course, true that Pakistan's nuclear weapons deterred India from launching punitive attacks at least thrice since the 1998 tests. India could do nothing after Pakistan's secret incursion in Kargil during 1999, the Dec 13 attack on the Indian parliament the same year (initially claimed by Jaish-i-Muhammad), or the Mumbai attack in 2008 by Lashkar-i-Taiba. So should we keep the Bomb to protect militant groups? Surely it is time to realise that conducting foreign policy in this manner will buy us nothing but disaster after disaster.

It was a lie that the Bomb could protect Pakistan, its people or its armed forces. Rather, it has helped bring us to this grievously troubled situation and offers no way out. It is time for Pakistan to drop its illogical opposition to the Fissile Materials Cutoff Treaty which, incidentally, would impact India far more than Pakistan. We need fewer bombs on both sides, not more.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/114470/pakistans-nukes-how-many-are-enough/
 

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