Pakistan Considering Russian, French Aircraft To Replace 190 Fighter Planes

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It's you people who are becoming American puppy now a days
Mullah Ji,to become a Puppy India will have to lease our territory say for example Andaman to US like Pak did in the Past and now with China at Gwadar.India even denied Japanese investment in Arunanchal Pradesh.

Pakis even lease its Air Bases to US to Bomb their Own people in FATA.


Pakistan was one of the few states where CIA had black sites (Extraordinary Rendition program) to torture Muslims accuse of terrorism.


Learn your history, my Young son.
 

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Aww... you guys forgot F-35. Joking aside, Eurofighter and Rafeal are too expensive, not just unit cost, spares, training what not, what numbers are planned, Su-35 deal has been much rumored but so far has only translated in India funding T-50, moreover Indians have much stronger diplomatic relations then what "danishwars" on Pak TV might tell you, you guys won't be buying Stakes in their energy companies, oil fields and invest in their economy. Neither a support on any international issue (e.g Iran-Saudi ; Yemen- Saudi ; Syria- Saudi ). And Iran wants to buy S-35 too, with license actually. You see why I highly doubt such a deal.

But what about Gripen, Sweden might sell you and it has AESA, and western machinery which will have logistic similarity.
Really well keep doubting quietly we are evaluating all of these Fighter Jets and when we would decide it would be announced
 

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Really well keep doubting quietly we are evaluating all of these Fighter Jets and when we would decide it would be announced
Early days indeed my friend, early days....
 

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It's you people who are becoming American puppy now a days
Mullah Ji,to become a Puppy India will have to lease our territory say for example Andaman to US like Pak did in the Past and now with China at Gwadar.India even denied Japanese investment in Arunanchal Pradesh.

Pakis even lease its Air Bases to US to Bomb their Own people in FATA.


Pakistan was one of the few states where CIA had black sites (Extraordinary Rendition program) to torture Muslims accuse of terrorism.


Learn your history, my Young son.
 

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Well we would go for at third 4.5th Generation platform before going for 5th Generation.
My God, a superpower getting defeated by 0.5.
USA already got 5. You are waiting for 4.5?? Umma ki bezti go gayi!
 

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On IDN, there is a news that Saudi Arab is trying to stitch up a Nato-like ghetto of musalmans. This is very heart-warming. Anyone who knows properties of a musalman, knows that as soon as they reach a critical mass, they implode !! It is a good self-destructing move.
Have you seen the physical standard of Arab joke for a soldiers ?

Any alliance under a failed state is bound to fail.

If not anything,Iran will retaliate covertly by financing Pakistani Shiya groups and there will be a bomb blast in a Sunni mosque every month.
 

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The official said that the strong resistance it faced in the US Congress for buying a small batch of eight planes was “discouraging”.

“That’s why we are looking at other options too, such as buying them from Russia or France.”

The official noted that while French planes were “very expensive, the Russians are not and they are equally good”.

Last week, the US Senate rejected a move to shoot down the proposed sale of eight F-16, which is now in its final stages

They say that while Pakistan is not looking to match the exact number of planes the Indians have but they would like to maintain a fleet of 350 to 400 aircraft.


http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...-pak-trying-to-get-more-f-16s-from-us-report/


A Contemporary Purchase Drama now playing in pakistan.
 

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Hmm . Rafale to Pakistan sounds like a big no-no. There is a strategic partnership between Paris and New Delhi since 1998. Lot of high level meetings on a regular basis, plenty of inter-government agreements in fields like nuclear energy, space, renewable energies. Why would Paris all of a sudden jeopardize all this ? Makes no sense at all. Pakistan just trying to convince Washington they have other options than just F-16.
 

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France is a regular supplier to Pakistan. Any agreement with India did not stop that. The problem for Pakistan is money, not French denial.

If Saudi pays, Rafales will rain on Islamabad. I shall celebrate.
 

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It's you people who are becoming American puppy now a days
When our PM visited US during navratri, entire US delegation including US President and 1st lady did the same. When Paki PM and Army Chief goes there they have to invite them self.

Shame community don't get to say who is puppy.
 

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Guys, the Pakis don't use govt. money much to buy these equipments, they use their strategic location, ISI can sell high grade intelligence on US to Russia or France and in return something important, or can provide way to Afghanistan and in return will get something.

They generate fund through black market and religious organisations around the world in Millions, which they use for defence procurement.

Their process of defence procurement is way different from India's.

But yes, 100 birds is too high qty. and will be too expensive, unless until Pakis don't create another Afghanistan war, this time with Russians.
 
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Pakistan Considering Russian, French Aircraft To Replace 190 Fighter Planes

DAWN, as the country is still in discussion stage with the US to buy eight jets.

Jane’s reported recently that Pakistan may purchase 10 more F-16s if the current deal for eight of these fighter jets is successfully concluded.

“But we are looking at other options too, such as buying them from Russia or France,” the official said.

However, official noted that French aircraft were “very expensive, the Russians are not and they are equally good”.

In September last year, Russia offered to sell Su-35 planes to Pakistan, which are among the fifth generation aircraft.

Pakistani officials say that India’s defence purchases also influence their search for a matching technology. India is already working on a plan to replace its current fleet of planes with fifth generation aircraft by 2020, forcing Pakistan to do the same.

Pakistani officials point out that they also have a large-scale defence collaboration with China, “which is a great source of strength” for the country.

Pakistan is currently in talks with the United States to buy two single-seat F-16Cs and six twin-seat F-16Ds, along with associated equipment - for about $699 million.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15...ft_To_Replace_190_Fighter_Planes#.VupBXdJ95kh
You will have to sell Baluchistan to raise the money to afford anything now, nothing else left to sell after you sold Baltistan to China for JF17. By 2050, Pakistan will be a country with 1000 planes and no land.
 

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Guys, the Pakis don't use govt. money much to buy these equipments, they use their strategic location, ISI can sell high grade intelligence on US to Russia or France and in return something important, or can provide way to Afghanistan and in return will get something.

They generate fund through black market and religious organisations around the world in Millions, which they use for defence procurement.

Their process of defence procurement is way different from India's.

But yes, 100 birds is too high qty. and will be too expensive, unless until Pakis don't create another Afghanistan war, this time with Russians.
Besides, ISI cultivates poppy and traffics it to India and other international destinations. It has also set up a large facility in Quetta to print fake indian currency notes. And their earnings from nuclear proliferation remains high. It is expected Pak will soon lease Gwadar port to Chinese Navy for high return.
 

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Besides, ISI cultivates poppy and traffics it to India and other international destinations. It has also set up a large facility in Quetta to print fake indian currency notes. And their earnings from nuclear proliferation remains high. It is expected Pak will soon lease Gwadar port to Chinese Navy for high return.
correct and GoI does not take it lightly. They know Pakis can procure it if they want, but will take time. Hence to counter it, GoI has to play diplomacy. In which GoI has to go for signing unnecessary deals with the countries. And this is arms race.
 

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I think France will sell Rafale to Pakistan, funded by Saudi aid and French loans. If Egypt can get, why not Pakistan. Pakistan is working on a Muslim-NATO. France would definitely like to be main supplier to Muslim-NATO.

I am feeling relieved. Hope this deal happens soon.

A rafale sale to Pakistan will shut the mouths of IAF.
Not even a 1% chance of a Rafale sale to Pakistan, the minimum order for Rafales in India is >200 (IAF and IN combined orders) and could go much much higher and most will be made in India. Both sides understand this and in the IGA signed 25 Jan 2016 this was all spelt out. The French have no interest in going to the Pakis, remember the Rafale would come with 0% subsidisation- there is minimal chance the Pakis could even afford it.

As for Russia? No chance of soft loans or creative financing solutions given Russia's economic state. Then throw in the fact that India has >300 MKIs and is investing in >150 5th gen FGFAs. Russia will not have any incentive to sell to Pakistan- no matter what the Pakis dream of.


China- possible but it is unknown if the Russians would allow the AL-31 equipped J-10s to go to the Pakis (or if the Pakis even want that jet considering its poor flight safety). One can rule out the heavier Russian origin Chinese clones being sold to the PAF.

EFT- sure they could get it if the Saudis pay for it on their behalf, otherwise there is no chance they can afford it. This is a country whose GDP won't be $1TN USD before 2040- keep that in mind.

SAAB Gripen is an option but has an American engine.

And thus they are back to being dependant on the US one way or another.

@Gessler
 

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France is a regular supplier to Pakistan. Any agreement with India did not stop that. The problem for Pakistan is money, not French denial.

If Saudi pays, Rafales will rain on Islamabad. I shall celebrate.
France had refused to sell avionics to the Pakis for their JF-17 (look it up), had apprently scuppered the chance of the M2K-9 of the UAE being sold to the PAF and you are expecting them to sell the Rafale to Pakistan? That too when they are selling this plane to India in far greater quantities? Are you high?
 

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Not even a 1% chance of a Rafale sale to Pakistan, the minimum order for Rafales in India is >200 (IAF and IN combined orders) and could go much much higher and most will be made in India. Both sides understand this and in the IGA signed 25 Jan 2016 this was all spelt out. The French have no interest in going to the Pakis, remember the Rafale would come with 0% subsidisation- there is minimal chance the Pakis could even afford it.

As for Russia? No chance of soft loans or creative financing solutions given Russia's economic state. Then throw in the fact that India has >300 MKIs and is investing in >150 5th gen FGFAs. Russia will not have any incentive to sell to Pakistan- no matter what the Pakis dream of.


China- possible but it is unknown if the Russians would allow the AL-31 equipped J-10s to go to the Pakis (or if the Pakis even want that jet considering its poor flight safety). One can rule out the heavier Russian origin Chinese clones being sold to the PAF.

EFT- sure they could get it if the Saudis pay for it on their behalf, otherwise there is no chance they can afford it. This is a country whose GDP won't be $1TN USD before 2040- keep that in mind.

SAAB Gripen is an option but has an American engine.

And thus they are back to being dependant on the US one way or another.

@Gessler
Very informative post, but can you explain how India will able to induct > 200 Rafales ?
 

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Guys, the Pakis don't use govt. money much to buy these equipments, they use their strategic location, ISI can sell high grade intelligence on US to Russia or France and in return something important, or can provide way to Afghanistan and in return will get something.

They generate fund through black market and religious organisations around the world in Millions, which they use for defence procurement.

Their process of defence procurement is way different from India's.

But yes, 100 birds is too high qty. and will be too expensive, unless until Pakis don't create another Afghanistan war, this time with Russians.
Their army itself has lots of business fronts. Paranoia of India seems to be really motivating factor for pakis. While we are still stuck with negotiations, if it were Chinese, would have been churning out Rafales by now like no tomorrow.
 

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