Pakistan, Caste and dilemma of quislings

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Saif and Kareena Name their offspring "Taimur Ali Khan"

This is shameful and wicked. Shows mentality of these these nawabzadas. Such insecure nawabs suffering from identity crisis had financed Pakistan 'movement' and financially helped Pakistan in early days. This nawabzada's grandfather was some small Nawab in Punjab. Although he preferred to stay in India, part of their family moved to Pakistan and became Pakistan army general and ISI officer etc. Saif ali khan better go and join his distant uncles in Pakistan instead of spoiling his father's name.

 

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Hassan Nissar justifying Saif Ali Khan naming his child Taimur
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He is liberal punjabi pakistani who otherwise says all the things Indians love to hear. He is in no way religious muslm. he praises India, Modi, criticizes Pakistan and Pakistanis and even tells Pakistanis to forget Kashmir. But still he justifies glorifying invader who massacred and raped people on industrial scale. shows all the drinking and talking big about liberal ideology etc takes you only so far. Islamic identity and Pakistaniyat is much more than just growing beard, reading namaz and religious philosophy. It is also about imperialism and affinity to the community as a fellow tribal group. If there is no ritual of conversion out of Islam, all the drinking and hedonist lifestyle in one's closed elite society does not help one get rid of his Islamic identity, irrespective of whether person is believer or not.

 

[vinuzap]

and some of there best administrator of lahore happens to be ranjit singh and the most known figure against british struggle bhagat singh and the biggest philanthropist who build the city is sir ganga ram

these invaders destroyed the pakistan most followed by central india and these idiots hold them high

hasan nisar should know that idea of pakistan was created in bengal and so was muslim league and did it sustain which is presently known as bangladesh and so where does pakistaniyat stand

what they did to shia jinna ,

his daughter turned to india and coverted as parsi and his sister was labelled as raw agent and now his community is persecuted

taimur beheaded his mother and put all sort of cruelty on his father which neither ashoka nor shivaji did

ashoka renounced from violence and created buddhism and shivaji the maratha culture infact which helped even pakistan reach freedom(ganesh festival in maharashtra was started by tilak to foster nationalism against english and royal naval mutiny of mumbai reached karachi to)

what respect these invaders which only created the product of rape mostly in country what is known as pakistan and present day muslim who mr nisar says where different from king yes they where

they where converted by jajiya , rape or as war booty so ya they where persecuted and these dimwits called them as there aulad

why not akbar because he left islam and started his own religion
aurangzeb who had hindu mother

 

[vinuzap]

lo apne baapo ko yaad karo

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

This blogger has collected lot of info. Some is from old British census and wikipedia don't know from where he copied rest but that is a huge collection.






https://newpakhistorian.wordpress.com/








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http://www.dawn.com/news/1310016/dubious-ancestors

Dubious ancestors
NADEEM F. PARACHA

In 1981 a book arrived in the offices of my paternal grandfather. It was authored by a distant cousin of his and a fellow Paracha. It was called the History & Culture of the Paracha Tribe. Originally penned in Urdu, it claimed that the Paracha tribe was made up of the descendants of a man called Ali Yemeni in Arabia who had converted to Islam during the early days of the faith in the 7th century CE.

The book went on to suggest that the tribe followed Yemeni into Persia where the Parachas became traders. From Persia various branches of the tribe spread out across north India, Central Asia and Afghanistan.

I was 14 when this book was published. It was rather nice to know that the tribe that I belonged to had not only been Muslim for hundreds of years, but had Arab genes. The author of the book had not cited any convincing sources to substantiate his claims other than perhaps mentioning what he had heard from his immediate elders. But his narrative about the origins of the Paracha clan became rather popular among his tribal brethren in Pakistan.

Even though as a teen I, too, had believed the claims made in the book, things in this context began to come apart when, as a college student in the mid and late 1980s, I came across a few tomes which steadfastly challenged the contents of the history text books being taught in our educational institutions. It was a liberating feeling.

What pioneering Pakistani ‘revisionist historians’ such as Dr Mubarak Ali, K.K. Aziz and Ayesha Jalal also did for young folk like me was to inform us how one should go about authenticating (or rejecting) claims presented as historical facts.

Surely, I thought, there must be more about the Paracha tribe beyond verbal folklore and modern narratives weaved to suit contemporary theological, social and political trends. All one had to do was to look for it.

In early 1993 I stumbled upon a dusty old book at a tiny bookstore in Islamabad. I was in that city as a reporter of an English weekly, sent there from Karachi to cover Benazir Bhutto’s ‘long march’ against the first Nawaz Sharif regime. I found the mentioned book two days after the march. It was called Tribes & Castes of Punjab and NWFP.

The book was published in the early 1900s and was authored by H. Arthur Rose, a British bureaucrat serving in the British Colonial government in India. It’s a fascinating read. It is entirely based on two detailed reports on the census conducted by the colonial set-up in Punjab and NWFP in 1883 and 1892 respectively.

And, indeed, there was a whole section on the Paracha tribe in it. According to the report, the Parachas mostly resided in the hilly Potohar region of north Punjab and in areas near the Punjab-NWFP border. They still do. Most fascinating (at least to me) was when the 1883 census report reproduced in the book quoted some elders of the tribe saying that the Paracha tribe migrated from Persia as Zoroastrians and became Buddhists in India. They then converted to Islam sometime in the 11th century CE.

But just as the dubious 1981 book had done, the 19th century census reports too were quoting Paracha elders. Nevertheless, another book confirmed what the 19th century old men were suggesting. In his hefty 2007 book Pakistan through the Ages famous Pakistani archaeologist, historian and linguist Ahmad Hasan Dani mentions the names of some of the tribes which accompanied the Kushan people, who established an empire in Afghanistan and north-western Pakistan between first and third centuries CE.

According to Dani’s archaeological findings, the Kushan were a syncretic people in Persia and Central Asia. They were followers of a faith which was a hybrid of Zoroastrianism and classical Greek mythology. During the time of the empire’s greatest ruler, Kanishka, the empire became entirely Buddhist. One of the tribes which Dani suggests accompanied the Kushan into what today is Pakistan, was called Pirache which later became Paracha and/or Piracha.

I think I’d rather stick to the claims of an accomplished archeologist and historian than some guy who concocted a figure called Ali Yemeni because he found the idea of being from Arabia rather appealing.

Anyway, these days a simple DNA tracking method can actually trace back one’s ancestors millions of years. Take the example of the Pakistani-American lad who was always told that his ancestors came from Arabia until in August 2016 when he got his DNA tested. The results showed that he was 97 percent South Asian and had zero percent Middle Eastern ancestry. He gleefully announced these results in a video on Youtube.

Dr Mubarak Ali, in his book In Search of Identity writes that the practice of claiming non-South-Asian ancestry among the region’s Muslims began during the collapse of the Mughal Empire in the 18th century CE. According to him, the Mughals largely employed Persian-speaking men in their courts. Almost all of them were migrants from Persia or Central Asia. But when the influence and power of the Mughal dynasty began to recede, such men stopped travelling to India. Their places were gradually filled by ‘local converts’ or South Asian men who had converted to Islam (from Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism and other religions in the region).

The resultant ascent of local Muslims in India initially saw them taken pride in their ‘local’ roots (thus the sudden mushrooming of Urdu). But Dr Ali suggests that once they were established as the new courtiers, traders, feudal lords and members of an expanding Muslim middle-class in India, most of them began to alter their ancestral histories.

Since the idea of nobility was still associated with non-South-Asian Muslims, and the fact that Muslims of India had begun to see themselves as a separate cultural entity, claiming to originate outside of South Asia became a norm.

This norm continued even after the creation of Pakistan, especially after the mid-1970s, when because of the rise of oil-rich monarchies in the Middle East and the growth of so-called ‘Political Islam’, the trend of claiming Arabian ancestry became rampant.

But the thing is, the many social and political complexities of this issue can now actually be untangled in one go by the ‘Human Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) testing.’ It is simple and relatively cheap. Apparently a person can get one done for less than 150 dollars.

In 1987 three well-known genealogists (Cann, Stoneking and Wilson) published a stunning report of a worldwide human mtDNA survey. The survey had collected DNA samples of numerous men and women from around the world to see who originated where. As they dug deeper and looked further back, they found that mtDNA in every living person on the planet today stems from a woman who lived in Africa some 200,000 years ago!

Scientists now believe that no matter what faith, language, nationality, immediate ancestral history or colour of skin one possesses, he or she came from a single woman who was a member of a pre-historic tribe in Africa. A rather humbling thought.

Published in Dawn, Sunday Magazine, January 22nd, 2017

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Bengal from recent history was ruled by 2nawabs en mir qasim mugal ruler. East India company defeated these 3 muslim rulers in battle of buxar. Otherwise we would have muslim Kingdoms with there expansion ideas.

Point 1 to observe against British EIC, suddenly all *3 muslim kingdoms united* to fight. Luckily EIC won.

Point 2 muslim forces always attacked first and constantly year after year.u

Point 3 British always waged wars far in distant countries keeping there empire always safe (which is a luxury in fighting a war)

What are the ancestral origin myths of Bengal's Nawabs? Wasn't some Nawab supposed to be Kashmiri origin?
Is there any ethnic/caste pattern to muslim ruling/ politically dominant people in Bengal (esepecially Bangladesh), or are they all native ethnic Bengali converts? Can some Bengali member share information?


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We converted because of Sufism. Nearly every village in Pakistan has a shrine dedicated to the Sufi that converted their village/clan to Islam. Also, Jizya has little to do with it considering; Muslims had to pay a tax that non-Muslims didnt (zakat). Only difference was, Jizya went to the state (which was meant to go into maintenance and construction of temples/churches) while Zakat went to charity.

All this nitpicking and minor details are secondary issues. Underlying mechanism is Imperialism.

India (and Pakistan) needs a short dose of outward looking Indian imperialism.

they need a scapegoat i.e when they are converted by sword they would blame casteism an other things

Does India's responsibility ends with blaming them for being Muslims? It is due to accident of geography that they have to face the brunt of invasions and occupations repeatedly for long time. It is natural that people will convert over time. Not only by direct coercion, but also because of being religion of a well established ruling class.

That is history and it can not be changed. So the conversion itself is not the issue now. The issue in present time is re-conversion. Doesn't India have any responsibility for that?

But India can not do crusades. In this modern age it is unthinkable and impossible. Secondly, dominant religion in India is synonymous with caste system and exclusionist in nature which makes re-conversion extremely difficult.

What Indian state can do at the most is that use force and become political master of Pakistan, preferably by dividing it. That could give space for evangelist forces to de-islamise the region acting within limits of modern society.

 

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Stockholm syndrome
http://health.howstuffworks.com/mental-health/mental-disorders/stockholm-syndrome1.htm

Many people have a pretty good idea of what Stockholm syndrome is based on the origin of the term alone. In 1973, two men entered the Kreditbanken bank in Stockholm, Sweden, intending to rob it. When police entered the bank, the robbers shot them, and a hostage situation ensued. For six days, the robbers held four people at gunpoint, locked in a bank vault, sometimes strapped with explosives and other times forced to put nooses around their own necks. When the police tried to rescue the hostages, the hostages fought them off, defending their captors and blaming the police. One of the freed hostages set up a fund to cover the hostage-takers' legal defense fees. Thus "Stockholm syndrome" was born, and psychologists everywhere had a name for this classic captor-prisoner phenomenon.

By the 21st century, psychologists had expanded their understanding of the Stockholm syndrome from hostages to other groups, including victims of domestic violence, cult members, prisoners of war, procured prostitutes, and abused children. The American Psychiatric Association does not include Stockholm syndrome in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

In order for Stockholm syndrome to occur in any given situation, at least three traits must be present:

• A severely uneven power relationship in which the captor dictates what the prisoner can and cannot do
• The threat of death or physical injury to the prisoner at the hands of the captor
• A self-preservation instinct on the part of the prisoner

Included in these traits are the prisoner's belief (correct or incorrect, it doesn't matter) that he or she cannot escape, which means that survival must occur within the rules set by the all-powerful captor; and the prisoner's isolation from people not being held by the captors, which prohibits any outside view of the captors from infringing on the psychological processes that lead to Stockholm syndrome.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

May be off topic but sounds related to Stockholm syndrome (which must be understood to understand predicament of Pakistanis).

How Brainwashing Works
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brainwashing.htm

In psychology, the study of brainwashing, often referred to as thought reform, falls into the sphere of "social influence." Social influence happens every minute of every day. It's the collection of ways in which people can change other people's attitudes, beliefs and behaviors.

it requires the complete isolation and dependency of the subject

In the brainwashing process, the agent systematically breaks down the target's identity to the point that it doesn't work anymore. The agent then replaces it with another set of behaviors, attitudes and beliefs that work in the target's current environment.

Breaking down the self

• Assault on identity: You are not who you think you are. This is a systematic attack on a target's sense of self (also called his identity or ego) and his core belief system. The agent denies everything that makes the target who he is: "You are not a soldier." "You are not a man." "You are not defending freedom." The target is under constant attack for days, weeks or months, to the point that he becomes exhausted, confused and disoriented. In this state, his beliefs seem less solid.
• Guilt: You are bad. While the identity crisis is setting in, the agent is simultaneously creating an overwhelming sense of guilt in the target. He repeatedly and mercilessly attacks the subject for any "sin" the target has committed, large or small. He may criticize the target for everything from the "evilness" of his beliefs to the way he eats too slowly. The target begins to feel a general sense of shame, that everything he does is wrong.
• Self-betrayal: Agree with me that you are bad. Once the subject is disoriented and drowning in guilt, the agent forces him (either with the threat of physical harm or of continuance of the mental attack) to denounce his family, friends and peers who share the same "wrong" belief system that he holds. This betrayal of his own beliefs and of people he feels a sense of loyalty to increases the shame and loss of identity the target is already experiencing.
• Breaking point: Who am I, where am I and what am I supposed to do? With his identity in crisis, experiencing deep shame and having betrayed what he has always believed in, the target may undergo what in the lay community is referred to as a "nervous breakdown." In psychology, "nervous breakdown" is really just a collection of severe symptoms that can indicate any number of psychological disturbances. It may involve uncontrollable sobbing, deep depression and general disorientation. The target may have lost his grip on reality and have the feeling of being completely lost and alone. When the target reaches his breaking point, his sense of self is pretty much up for grabs -- he has no clear understanding of who he is or what is happening to him. At this point, the agent sets up the temptation to convert to another belief system that will save the target from his misery.

The Possibility of Salvation
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• Leniency: I can help you. With the target in a state of crisis, the agent offers some small kindness or reprieve from the abuse. He may offer the target a drink of water, or take a moment to ask the target what he misses about home. In a state of breakdown resulting from an endless psychological attack, the small kindness seems huge, and the target may experience a sense of relief and gratitude completely out of proportion to the offering, as if the agent has saved his life.
• Compulsion to confession: You can help yourself.For the first time in the brainwashing process, the target is faced with the contrast between the guilt and pain of identity assault and the sudden relief of leniency. The target may feel a desire to reciprocate the kindness offered to him, and at this point, the agent may present the possibility of confession as a means to relieving guilt and pain.
• Channeling of guilt: This is why you're in pain.After weeks or months of assault, confusion, breakdown and moments of leniency, the target's guilt has lost all meaning -- he's not sure what he has done wrong, he just knows he is wrong. This creates something of a blank slate that lets the agent fill in the blanks: He can attach that guilt, that sense of "wrongness," to whatever he wants. The agent attaches the target's guilt to the belief system the agent is trying to replace. The target comes to believe it is his belief system that is the cause of his shame. The contrast between old and new has been established: The old belief system is associated with psychological (and usually physical) agony; and the new belief system is associated with the possibility of escaping that agony.
• Releasing of guilt: It's not me; it's my beliefs.The embattled target is relieved to learn there is an external cause of his wrongness, that it is not he himself that is inescapably bad -- this means he can escape his wrongness by escaping the wrong belief system. All he has to do is denounce the people and institutions associated with that belief system, and he won't be in pain anymore. The target has the power to release himself from wrongness by confessing to acts associated with his old belief system. With his full confessions, the target has completed his psychological rejection of his former identity. It is now up to the agent to offer the target a new one.

Rebuilding the Self
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• Progress and harmony: If you want, you can choose good.The agent introduces a new belief system as the path to "good." At this stage, the agent stops the abuse, offering the target physical comfort and mental calm in conjunction with the new belief system. The target is made to feel that it is he who must choose between old and new, giving the target the sense that his fate is in his own hands. The target has already denounced his old belief system in response to leniency and torment, and making a "conscious choice" in favor of the contrasting belief system helps to further relieve his guilt: If he truly believes, then he really didn't betray anyone. The choice is not a difficult one: The new identity is safe and desirable because it is nothing like the one that led to his breakdown.
• Final confession and rebirth: I choose good.Contrasting the agony of the old with the peacefulness of the new, the target chooses the new identity, clinging to it like a life preserver. He rejects his old belief system and pledges allegiance to the new one that is going to make his life better. At this final stage, there are often rituals or ceremonies to induct the converted target into his new community. This stage has been described by some brainwashing victims as a feeling of "rebirth."

A brainwashing process like the one discussed above has not been tested in a modern laboratory setting, because it's damaging to the target and would therefore be an unethical scientific experiment. .................................................. People who commonly experience great self doubt, have a weak sense of identity, and show a tendency toward guilt and absolutism (black-and-white thinking) are more likely to be successfully brainwashed, while a strong sense of identity and self-confidence can make a target more resistant to brainwashing. Some accounts show that faith in a higher power can assist a target in mentally detaching from the process.

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Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups

• The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
• ‪Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
• ‪Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
• ‪The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry�or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
• ‪The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar�or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
• ‪The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
• ‪The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
• ‪The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
• ‪The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
• ‪Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
• ‪The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
• ‪The group is preoccupied with making money.
• ‪Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
• ‪Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
• ‪The most loyal members (the �true believers�) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

 

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Military Dog Training and Employment: Field Manual FM 20-20
By U.S. Army
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=jHlBDAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://cinotecniamilitar.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/fm20_20_1960.pdf

Section I. PRINCIPLES OF DOG TRAINING

54. General

There are no tricks or mystery to dog training. It is a fairly simple process if based on

a. A practical knowledge of how a dog's mind works.
b. Constant repetition of training exercises.
c. Suitable recognition of a dog's progress.
d. Patience.

55. General Principles The effectiveness of a dog training program depends on the regard shown for certain basic principles.

a. The handler must establish himself as the master of the dog or dogs assigned to him. He pets, praises, feeds, and handles only the dogs assigned to him. He does not permit anyone else to make friends with them.

b. The handler must understand the limitations of a dog's mind. There are many things one cannot expect of a dog and many things one can, provided he is properly handled. In the beginning, a dog may be uncertain of what is expected of him. He may not fully understand a command until he has been made to carry it out numerous times.

c. There are specific techniques for giving commands so that they are suggestive or meaningful to 'a dog. (1) Vocal commands are given firmly and clearly. The tone and sound of the voice, not volume, are the qualities that influence the dog. Commands must be directed at the one dog concerned and not voiced in just any haphazard direction. They must inspire obedience. (2) Next to the voice, gestures are the chief means of influencing dogs. Often, vocal commands and gestures are combined. At first, gestures, may be exaggerated to help convey the desired command to the dog. As training progresses, the exaggeration is reduced.

d. It is essential to make the dog carry out the same command over and over until he learns to respond to it without hesitating. Repetition is even more important in dog training than it is in human learning. However, both handler and dog can go stale or lose efficiency by practicing any one command too much during one period. In this case, it is better to go on to another exercise or let some time elapse, then return to the practice of the command.

e. The handler must never lose patience or become irritated. If he does, the dog will become hard to handle because he takes his cue from the handler's attitude. Patience is one of the prime requisites of a good dog handler, but it must be coupled with firmness. The moment the dog understands, the handler must demand that he obey if the dog is to be a prompt and accurate worker.

f. From the very beginning of training, the dog should never be permitted to ignore a command or fail to carry it out completely. He must learn to associate the handler's command with his execution of it. He should never be allowed to suspect that there is anything for him to do BUT obey. He must learn that he will have to do what the handler commands, that he will have to carry out the command completely, no matter how long it takes. Laxity on the part of the handler on even one occasion may result in an attitude or mood of disobedience that means difficulty and delay in the continuation of the training program. When the handler is sure that a dog knows what is expected of him and is being willfully stubborn, the handler may punish the dog by jerking sharply on the leash.

g. The purpose of punishment is improvement, not reprisal.
(1) A dog does not understand abstract principles of right and wrong according to human standards, so reward and punishment must be used to teach him what he must and must not do.
(2) It is seldom necessary to resort to physical punishment to teach a lesson to a sensitive dog. Withholding praise, using a rebuking tone, or even saying "No" reprovingly, is usually punishment enough for him. If the dog is callous or insensitive, he must be punished more severely. The punishment must be made to fit the dog as well as the misdeed. Timing in punishment is most important. The correction, whatever form it takes, must always be administered immediately after the dog misbehaves. A dog cannot connect punishment with a misdeed he committed several minutes earlier.
(3) Severe punishment should be inflicted as a last resort and only for deliberate disobedience, stubborness, or defiance when the dog has learned better. He must never be punished for clumsiness, slowness in learning, or inability to understand what is expected of him. Punishment for such reasons, instead of speeding training, will have the opposite effect. The word "No" is used to indicate to the dog that he is doing wrong. "No" is the only word used as a negative command. It is spoken in a stern and reproving tone. If this form of reproof is not successful, the dog should be chained or kenneled. A handler never slaps a dog with his hand or strikes him with the leash. The hand is an instrument of praise and pleasure to the dog and he must never be allowed to fear it; beating him with the leash will make him shy of it and lessen the effectiveness of its legitimate use. The dog's name is never used in connection with a correction.

h. Whenever a dog successfully executes a command, even though his performance has taken more time than desirable, the handler always rewards him with a pat on the head and praises him in some obvious way.
(1) Dogs are usually anxious to please. They must be shown how to do so. When a dog is rewarded for his performance he senses that he has done the right thing and will do it more readily the next time he is given the same command. Praise may take the following forms:
(a) Kind words.
(b) Patting.
(c) Allowing a few minutes' romp.
(d) Allowing the dog to perform his favorite exercise, including free run and play.
(2) It is not advisable to reward a military dog by feeding him tidbits, as he will become accustomed to this form of reward and expect it for some act performed in the field where such food is not available.
(3) Every training period must conclude with petting, praise, and encouragement for the dog, to keep up his enthusiasm for his work. If the dog's performance of the particular exercise does not warrant this, he must be allowed to perform a short exercise he knows thoroughly and does well, so that he will earn the reward legitimately.

http://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/pdf/publications/MDD/MDD_ch1_part3.pdf
https://www.cdodc.com.au/training/10-basic-principles-of-dog-training/
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/14_12/features/Operant-Conditioning-for-Dogs_20414-1.html
http://dogmastersystem.com/behavior.htm

DON’T ALLOW SELF-RELEASE – If a handler has given the dog a cue, they must ensure that the cue is obeyed until given the next cue or released.
DON’T INADVERTENTLY REWARD NON-COMPLIANCE – If the dog moves from a cued position before being released or given another cue, it must be returned to exactly the same position and place. No reward is offered
DOGS LEARN THROUGH CONSEQUENCES – If the dog immediately does as cued, it is immediately rewarded (marked). A positive consequence encourages the dog to repeat the rewarded behaviour.
CONTROL THE CONSEQUENCES – Unless you are certain of compliance, never cue the dog to do anything without being in a position to immediately correct if necessary.

• Reward (positive reinforcement) encourages a response by giving the dog something it likes immediately after the response.
• Punishment (positive punishment) discourages a response by giving the dog something it dislikes immediately after the response.
• Negative reinforcement (no synonym) encourages a response by taking away from the dog something it dislikes immediately after the response.
• Omission (negative punishment) discourages a response by taking away from the dog something it likes immediately after the response.

 

[Bornubus]

Military Dog Training and Employment: Field Manual FM 20-20
By U.S. Army
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=jHlBDAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://cinotecniamilitar.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/fm20_20_1960.pdf




http://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/pdf/publications/MDD/MDD_ch1_part3.pdf
https://www.cdodc.com.au/training/10-basic-principles-of-dog-training/
http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/14_12/features/Operant-Conditioning-for-Dogs_20414-1.html
http://dogmastersystem.com/behavior.htm

You mean Paki brainwashing comparable with Dog training ?

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Notable recurring point about taming and training an animal/ Pakistan

1. You have to be dominant in the relationship. There should be no doubt who is the master. If necessary force/ punishment is used. (where is India in this respect?)

2. All the above can be summarised in common parlance as 'carrot and stick' policy. Carrot and stick both are necessary. But carrot does not mean appeasement. (British excelled in this policy. e.g. They killed lakhs (may be a million)- majority Muslims- through judicial murder for 1857 rebellion and at the same time created and funded quislings like Sir Syed and created a loyal Army. Their inheritor the Americans are even more sophisticated in using the carrot and stick policy.)

But what about India? We just ignore or laugh away the cancer that is Pakistan instead of actively treating it.

But let's say even if we actively pursue policy of dominance over Pakistan, what next?

When the target reaches his breaking point, his sense of self is pretty much up for grabs -- he has no clear understanding of who he is or what is happening to him. At this point, the agent sets up the temptation to convert to another belief system that will save the target from his misery.

Does India have any Salvation to offer? When a Pakistani learns about Caste system he would read about four Varnas and then realize theoretically Mlecha is even below all that, there is no carrot only bitterness.

How do we create Indian quislings in Pakistan?

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

You mean Paki brainwashing comparable with Dog training ?

Pakistani brain works at primitive level. Because extreme influence/control of cult does not allow them to use higher brain functions. So even if it is there, it is as if it is not there That is why their behavior mimics so well with the zombie behavior.

Nothing unnatural in that. We are all animals. so it is good to understand animal behavior to understand human behavior and basic instincts, but especially Pakistani behaviour.

All vertebrate animals have similar physical structure. Shape and size of our organs varies depending on our different evolutionary needs.

Same with brain. We all have similar brain structure. But the part that is used for smell will be much larger in animals than human beings. Humans have highly developed higher functions so that part of brain is way too large compared to other animals.

Notice that basic part is very similar that handles very basic functions like breathing, blood circulation, eating, sleeping, sex etc.

Now to naked eyes Pakistani head looks similar to normal human beings (although some scientists have noticed it is shrinking, but leave that small difference for now) but so does the Zombie.

Most commonly accepted theory about zombie plague is that, Zombie virus was created by mutation of Rabies virus. What happens in Rabies is that there is extreme swelling of brain and diseased person loses all higher brain functions, does not recognize anyone, becomes aggressive, only basic functions and instincts are left. Finally the person dies. But unlike rabies, the zombie virus keeps person alive.

The point is loss of higher function of brain in zombies and Pakistanis. Hence comparison with animals whose higher brain is very small.

No offence meant brothers @Neo @Zarvan @Hassain Ghazini . After all animals are also people.

 

[Bornubus]

Pakistani brain works at primitive level. Because extreme influence/control of cult does not allow them to use higher brain functions. So even if it is there, it is as if it is not there That is why their behavior mimics so well with the zombie behavior.

Nothing unnatural in that. We are all animals. so it is good to understand animal behavior to understand human behavior and basic instincts, but especially Pakistani behaviour.

All vertebrate animals have similar physical structure. Shape and size of our organs varies depending on our different evolutionary needs.

Same with brain. We all have similar brain structure. But the part that is used for smell will be much larger in animals than human beings. Humans have highly developed higher functions so that part of brain is way too large compared to other animals.

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Notice that basic part is very similar that handles very basic functions like breathing, blood circulation, eating, sleeping, sex etc.

Now to naked eyes Pakistani head looks similar to normal human beings (although some scientists have noticed it is shrinking, but leave that small difference for now) but so does the Zombie.

Most commonly accepted theory about zombie plague is that, Zombie virus was created by mutation of Rabies virus. What happens in Rabies is that there is extreme swelling of brain and diseased person loses all higher brain functions, does not recognize anyone, becomes aggressive, only basic functions and instincts are left. Finally the person dies. But unlike rabies, the zombie virus keeps person alive.

The point is loss of higher function of brain in zombies and Pakistanis. Hence comparison with animals whose higher brain is very small.

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No offence meant brothers @Neo @Zarvan @Hassain Ghazini . After all animals are also people.

Beautifully explained.

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[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

All this nitpicking and minor details are secondary issues. Underlying mechanism is Imperialism.

India (and Pakistan) needs a short dose of outward looking Indian imperialism.




Does India's responsibility ends with blaming them for being Muslims? It is due to accident of geography that they have to face the brunt of invasions and occupations repeatedly for long time. It is natural that people will convert over time. Not only by direct coercion, but also because of being religion of a well established ruling class.

That is history and it can not be changed. So the conversion itself is not the issue now. The issue in present time is re-conversion. Doesn't India have any responsibility for that?

But India can not do crusades. In this modern age it is unthinkable and impossible. Secondly, dominant religion in India is synonymous with caste system and exclusionist in nature which makes re-conversion extremely difficult.

What Indian state can do at the most is that use force and become political master of Pakistan, preferably by dividing it. That could give space for evangelist forces to de-islamise the region acting within limits of modern society.

Simple follow the soviet way attack any low populated but high geographical muslim country like Afghanistan or Tajikistan kill and convert them then do a propaganda then divide and rule over them

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1310016/dubious-ancestors

Some reader's comments on that article:

RA JAN 22, 2017 12:15PM
Thanks for sharing. The Arains have a similar myth of origins in Palestine, and accompanying the army of Muhammad bin Qasim. I am an Arain, but I was always suspicious of this story long before genetic testing became available. Finally, when such testing did become available, I had mine done through National Geographic, and found that my father's line, i.e., father's father's father's ----father, moved from Central Asia to South Asia 25,000 years ago! So much for being of Arab descent! I am proud to be who I am, a Muslim of South Asian origin. I think if all the Syeds, Qureshis, Ansaris, Abbasis, Farooqis, etc, of South Asia, got their genetic testing done, they will find the same thing.

AHMED ALI KHANJAN 22, 2017 12:48PM
Brilliant article - there is much more to it when you go into genealogical studies but the gist of it is captured rather nicely by NFP. Kudos. I also got my DNA tested from one of the ancestry organizations (there are quite a few) and my results were also similar. So compared to everyone else in the world, Indians/Pakistanis are far closer to each other than, say, Turks or Persians...let alone Arabs who live in countries that are not even our next door neighbors.

FEROZJAN 22, 2017 12:40PM
When someone wants to be called an Arab, why stop him. Around the world an Arab may be associated with being rich but is also associated with being of very low intellect.

SHAKEEL AHMEDJAN 22, 2017 12:29PM
The pseudo connections of the Parachas with Yemen has given rise to some in the present clan to pretend "holier than thou" except for NFP. Any reason for that?

ABBAS SYEDJAN 22, 2017 10:28PM
I applaud Mr. Paracha/Piracha for this brilliant article. Growing up in Pakistan I always heard people claiming their ancestry in some foreign land. More often their claim of foreign ancestry was of father and grandfather and great grandfather was mentioned, never a mother, a grandmother or a great grandmother. What annoyed and upset most people was my question: Did soldiers of the Muslim invading armies bring their women folks with them. Wouldn't they have married local Hindu women and produced children from them and why are they never mentioned in the ancestry. We always forget or ignore regardless of where our first fathers came from our first mothers were Hindu native of Hindustan.

T CHAUDHRYJAN 23, 2017 01:41AM
I have same problem with history of my tribe Arain. Recently I came across some books that are claiming Arain came with Muahmed Bin Qasem, this is totally contradict the history books of preparation. Actually Arian tribes had three different source of ancestries, east of Sirsa river are Ghagger Arain converted from Rajputs and migrated from Rajhisthan and punjnad areas are mostly connected to farming, Arain from west are Sutlej Arain converted from Kambohs were settled in Lahore and Montgomery areas, these were mostly linked to gardening professions . The two did not intermarry before partition. Then there were third kind of Arian who were basically gardeners converted from various clans, these includes people live in Bar areas called Janglies, some Jat and Hindu Saini has very similarities with Arian including last names. My family moved from Rajhistan with Bhatti Rajput Rajas to Jind states of Punjab now called Nabha, Patiala and Sangrur few hudred years ago.

RAMESHJAN 23, 2017 02:22AM
I am indian tho ancestors hail from Lahore. I had the ancestry done thru DNA. Surprising results. Grandpa always indicated we were greek descendants converted to hinduism after alexanders invasion and return.DNA results blew the entire concept. 87% local south asian,4% Irish and 6% Turkish rest from Native American. Now it is a joke in the family that we have to celebrate St Patricks day along with Diwali.

MALIK FROM AUSTRALIAJAN 23, 2017 05:53AM
Gone are the days when I used to hear names like Rafique, Shafique, Sattar and Ghaffar, etc. Now Omair, Osama, Fawad and Ahqar are being used. This change has happened over the last four decades only. I wonder why?

NANGYALJAN 23, 2017 05:59AM
I am a Pakistani and I can't be any prouder to know that my origins are 100% Indian (or shall I say ancient or pre-47 India otherwise friends get upset!)

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NANGYALJAN 23, 2017 06:06AM
What I find funny is many of us Pakistani claim Arab, Turkish, Persian, Central Asian ancestries but we look more like folks on other side of Radcliffe Line than the folks we rather be. I would rather look Indian than an Arab, thanks Goodness!

HASSANJAN 23, 2017 06:42AM
I am an Awan, my family oral history always mentioned Arabic origins of Awans. I underwent a DNA test in Australia last year and found that I am 88% South Asian, 8% Central Asian, 3% Polynesian and 1% native American. How this Polynesian and native American got mixed up I want to find out but science cannot answer that. For DNA tests to get more accurate result the testing agency suggested my immediate blood relatives should undergo DNA test as well.

JA-AUSTRALIAJAN 23, 2017 07:25AM
The Muslims of South Asia who falsely claim Arabian ancestry are just as amusing as the Hindutva crowd who denigrate South Asian Muslims by claiming that most were converted lower caste dalits. In both cases, there is an obsession with the past, as if heredity confers or denies virtues.

On a broader note, this is just as comical as people claiming superiority because they are 'inheritors' of ancient cultures, be they Hindu, Zoroastrian, Egyptian, Greek or Hebrew. In all cases, the heredity is irrelevant in actual fact: an individual is what he or she makes of themselves by their own effort.

The USA has held up a mirror this Old World mentality by proudly embracing its lack of ancient heritage. The American view is that a nation's greatness comes. not from what happened a thousand years ago, but by what happens today and tomorrow.

In a forward looking society, what matters is not what your grandfather did yesterday, but what you accomplish today and tomorrow.

PATRIOTJAN 23, 2017 12:41PM
A friend of mine always wrote 'Syed' or Saiyyed with his name while his brother claimed to be a Shaikh.

AFATQIAMATJAN 23, 2017 02:37PM
I am the son of Sapta Sindhu and that is my true Identity, I own Harrapa ,Gandhara and Moenjodaro , ..and Poros is my Icon to follow...

I own , Harrapa , Gandhara , Moenjodaro , ... Panini the man who wrote Sanskrit's Grammer , Pingala his brother who was the first one to describe the Binary Numerical System ...I own Prakrits, Saurswani , and Kharooshti .. the Language that was written on the Pillars of Ashoka ...its MY Proud Heritage ..

Coming to the article; I am a very proud Pakistani. My parents migrated from UP. My mother very proudly tells me that our ancestors were from Saudi Arabia. Her simple logic is, no offence meant to anyone, that Arabs are fairer in complexion than the South Asians; and she being very fair, has been saying this all along. I actually don’t feel like going through a DNA test, as I am very proud that I am from this soil; even if it is not true. I want to keep believing this as after travelling around the globe I find the people from South Asia with much greater human values.

ISLAMABAD CALLINGJAN 23, 2017 07:03PM
A study conducted in 2010 (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-010-0040-1), tested the hypothesis that if all Syeds really are in direct descent from Ali, the Y chromosomes of Syeds are likely to be less diverse than those of non-Syeds. The important finding of the study was that the Y chromosomes of self-identified Syeds from India and Pakistan are no less diverse than those non-Syeds from the same regions, suggesting that there is no biological basis to the belief that self-identified Syeds in this part of the world share a recent common ancestry. In their own words, the author believe that their study opens the door to further genetic investigations of the Syed lineage. In my opinion, the study indicates that the Syeds of India and Pakistan are of Arab origin but all of them are not necessarily Syeds. This reinforces the notion that many non-Syed migrants "became" Syed once they landed here!

Firmly believe that this has historical and genealogical significance only.

SHUAIBJAN 24, 2017 09:55AM
I belong to Chhipa Zaat/bradary/cast ( whatever you want to call). Folks living in Karachi might know about chhipas thanks to 'Chhipa Welfare'. I have never met a single chhipa who claimed being of non-indian origins. au contraire, our ancestors took great care in documenting entire chhipa community's genealogy and family history. This started at least 8 hundred years ago and continues to this day. our ancestors appointed a family to document every noteworthy event. They are called BalwaJi, drived from the word balwa-pothy loosely translated as record book. The balwa-pothy contains at least 56000 pages. Basically all chhipas are Rajputs who embraced islam around 665 years ago. exact date and time is well documented. Gualb-Ji (not sure if he is muslim or Hindu), currently residing in Jaipur is still maintaining the records. They have a very unique way of reciting the record. It pretty much sound like a pundit solemnizing a marriage. There is lot more to talk about, but may be later.

AWESJAN 24, 2017 12:44PM
I am a Kaim Khani Rajput, we originate from the Chauhan Rajput Clan. If i am to believe of the books written by my ancestors then we originated from fire when the Brahmin prayed to send saviors against the Afghans, the Almighty raised us from the fire ... quiet convincing story.

N KHANJAN 24, 2017 05:50PM
I always find it interesting all these South Asian Muslims who claim an 'Arab' heritage when the oil rich Arabs of today treat South Asian Muslims so badly in their home countries. Whats wrong with saying yes my ancestors were probably Hindu or Buddhists? We are all Muslims and technically all equal whatever our DNA.

NAJJEEJAN 24, 2017 06:54PM
My DNA test says I am 97.8% South Asian. Mom side Haplotype originated in Europe and Central Asia (25000-30000 years ago, Dad side Haplotype originated in Southern Europe, Anatolia and Northern Africa (35000-45000 years ago).

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Hindu caste system has created false lineage for Muslims: Javed Akhtar

KOLKATA:
Renowned poet and lyricist Javed Akhtar believes it is the Hindu caste system that has forced Muslims to live under a false lineage, he said at the Tata Steel Kolkata Literary Meet on Friday.
“You ask an average Muslim, what is your lineage? They will say ‘My great great grandfather used to sell dry fruits in Basra, Iraq’. So they are willing to come from Afghanistan also, but right on Khyber Pass they stopped coming,” Akhtar said while speaking at a session revolving around Islamophobia, which means dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims.

“Why do they stop coming,” he continued. “It is because of Hindu caste system. If he accepts my grandfather got converted in Punjab which he did, they (Hindus) will ask you what was your father before the conversion. It is Hindu caste system which has made him create a false lineage,” said Akhtar, who took the session by storm with his passionate speech.
Akhtar, who proclaims to have no religion and is an atheist, said 90 % Muslims in India are converts.

“They say ‘You are an invader, you have come from outside’. They say they have come from Ghaznavi. The fact is that they have not. The fact is 90 % of Muslims are converts. But they are accused of being the outsiders. And they say ‘Yes, we are outsiders’.”
Questioning the meaning of stereotype, Akhtar said “we tend to stereotype people in every field. But as long as it is benign it’s okay, the problem starts when it becomes malignant”.

 

[F-14B]

Hindu caste system has created false lineage for Muslims: Javed Akhtar

There you have it folks just because they don't have the balls to admit that they are converted they ape and create falsities to escape insted of claiming their ture past what a bunch of clowns

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Fatah Ka Fatwa Episode 5



Few things claimed in the video:

- When Sindh came under rule of Umayyad Caliphate, even the local convert mulsim in Sindh had to pay jaziya, whereas Arabs did not have to pay. To escape from that, people started claiming arab ancestry and so large number of people in Sindh now are Sayyads and Shahs.
- something about one Ibn Tayniyyah in medieval middle east, who said Arabs are superior to non-arabs and non arab claiming equal status with arab is crime.
https://singularvoice.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/salafi-imam-we-must-believe-arabs-are-master-race/
- Even in Iran, person can not become supreme leader unless he is of Arab ancestry.

• The black turban of Iranian Mullahs means Arab ancestry; those with persian ancestry wear white; blue means turki ancestry.

- watchable Sunni Mullah reaction after criticism of Aurangzeb who he calls 'wali of Islam'.