Pakistan cannot sustain an 'Arms Race' with India

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@bengalraider, I hope so too. But it will not happen, as global growth is slowing down. A lot of jobs in India are dependent on global growth. India is not isolated anymore.
The current year projection is unlikely to be met. We shall come back to this topic 6 months in future.
Then you will understand my words better.

The private investment picture in India is weak. IIP is weak. A lot depends on overseas factors as how services growth pans out.

FDI is a paper tiger, as world is reeling in overcapacity.
Wait a minute. World Economy is slowing man? o_O
China is slowing which is global economic engine. Otherwise, world average changes at snail's speed.
Now, our India is trying to become other global engine to drive the growth.
Tomorrow, some other country will replace us when we will start decline. Hope you understood.
If you could watch different countries' growth, China and other few economies like India and Indonesia were driving growth.
Many countries are slow, some are negative, so actual global growth rate is slow.

Otherwise, let our economy cross $5 trillions and you will see the difference.
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@Indx TechStyle, I seriously think no country can replace us. I am not over-optimistic but logically saying. I think India will be the last superpower. No country will become superpower after that. Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil may become advanced economy some day, but no where near major force. After 2100, India will remain most powerful superpower (both in economy and military) for a very very very long time (may be centuries), unless some totally unexpected or impossible happens.
 

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@Indx TechStyle, I seriously think no country can replace us. I am not over-optimistic but logically saying. I think India will be the last superpower. No country will become superpower after that. Indonesia, Nigeria, Brazil may become advanced economy some day, but no where near major force. After 2100, India will remain most powerful superpower (both in economy and military) for a very very very long time (may be centuries), unless some totally unexpected or impossible happens.
Like your optimism. We will hang on for a long time but will have to lean finally. :p
Challenges:
1. One of our basic advantages is our population, which will start decline after 2050. We will have to do something about it.
Sexual diseases are destroying us as well.
I will never want that our nation would collapse because our people may have very low sexual arousement and unable to reproduce.
I can't understand I must cry or laugh on it. :pound::crying:

2. Stability,

This is not a major challenge as we have only improved it.
I included Brazil, because if China and India got re established, underwent civil war or disintegrated, Brazil would be a bright spot.
They are far far stable than China and India.

Brazil like a weak but stable America in front of two very powerful but unstunstable Soviet Union like giant countries China and India.

3. Strategic challenge

We will never remain unchallenged, because a great power China will be in our neighbor.
US also won't be a weakling.

Indonesia will have become a significant world power, Philippines will come in top 15 economies(they are secretly building nuclear weapons also),
And Iran has also great plans for its future.

We are trying to dominate African and central Asian Economy, but many regional powers will emerge in Africa by then.
Yet we will have no problem in Central Asia.

Other one is energy crisis but government has very nice plans like Japan and France to tackle them. Wish they succeed.
 

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Population will decline after hitting 1.6 billion mark but will always remain safely above 1 billion.
1st reason - Being a democracy, no 1 child policy.
2nd reason - youth couples will give birth atleast 2 infants, it will go on and on. It will never stop.

Advanced technology in future will take care of sexual diseases.
 

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I guess you're saying $45000 and not $4500 as our per capita income is $6664 significantly higher than all South Asian Countries (except Sri Lanka) and closer to Southeast Asians.
Yet our per capita income growth rate is higher which will put us ahead of them as well soon.
The figure of $6664 you quote is on PPP basis , we are already the third largest economy in the world on that basis.
On a nominal basis our per capita income is much lower at $1570 , we shall become a middle income nation on the nominal scale only in 25 years.
 

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The figure of $6664 you quote is on PPP basis , we are already the third largest economy in the world on that basis.
On a nominal basis our per capita income is much lower at $1570 , we shall become a middle income nation on the nominal scale only in 25 years.
In 15 years.
Man, our GDP(nominal) per capita is $1820(not $1570 as you mentioned) and will reach $6958 by 2031.
If you know
Nominal vs PPP

Current:
$1820 vs $6664
2020(projected)
~$2450 vs $9207
2030(projected)
$6900-$7000 vs $14000-15000

If you know we will become a middle income country in nominal terms by 2025, even if growth is slowed down.
It will rank among top 90.
 

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Population will decline after hitting 1.6 billion mark but will always remain safely above 1 billion.
1st reason - Being a democracy, no 1 child policy.
2nd reason - youth couples will give birth atleast 2 infants, it will go on and on. It will never stop.

Advanced technology in future will take care of sexual diseases.
Wishing that happens.
Anyway, you guys have noticed one thing?
@garg_bharat @Superdefender @bengalraider
Russian Population declined, Japanese population declined, Chinese population is on verge of decline, Indian population is in direction of decline.
Because with national development, genes of reproduction get weaker by generation.
But American population only increases.
Do they have already developed this tech? What do you guys think? :biggrin2:
 

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2)Your ISI is funds are generated by printing fake indian currency, extortions, drugs mafia and many more...
Our agencies have budget given by tax payer they dont do bullshit things for money...Our agencies budget is around 10B$ more than your defence budget
10 billion dollars, what? How come you got that figure. As far wiki says its 400 million. But it is top gaurded secret.
 

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1: 272 is the most latest in 2016.

2: Yes, that is why ISI is ranked number 1 - because of self defiency - they can continue to function even without the existance of Pakistan.

3: No, you have an armed forces of 3-4 million people; that is 1/7th compared to us. So ofcourse, you will need a 50 million dollar budget, if not more - your infantry cant even match Pakistan police - you'll need a budget of 150 billion dollars to match us. You have more quantity than quality.
The ISI ranked number 1 is to make them be over confident. till now your ISI has failed to safegaurd pakistans interest. Most of their tactics and policies are out. Lol

Yes they can continue to function like taliban and qaida lol. We call them terrorist organisation out from your fancy world.

What isi is good in is .. dalaali. Being a middle man or dealer. Where your officials get money for leaking infos to chinese on US and vice versa. This is what IsI is good in.

This is the reason, russians dont egage with you , because you will leak their info to either chinese americans or arabis to generate fund for your baseless unprofessional agency.

150 billion to match you? Wtf was that? Brainfart? In 150 billion if even 10 percent is paid to your leaders, and army men, they will sell your country's hidden secrets. Promising them a house in park street london will finish everythin in GHQ. Lol
 
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Wishing that happens.
Anyway, you guys have noticed one thing?
@garg_bharat @Superdefender @bengalraider
Russian Population declined, Japanese population declined, Chinese population is on verge of decline, Indian population is in direction of decline.
Because with national development, genes of reproduction get weaker by generation.
But American population only increases.
Do they have already developed this tech? What do you guys think? :biggrin2:
Nope, don't think so. US population will remain stable. Their female population are much more than than males. They will unpleasant social gender issues of all kinds in not so far future.
 

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Wishing that happens.
Anyway, you guys have noticed one thing?
@garg_bharat @Superdefender @bengalraider
Russian Population declined, Japanese population declined, Chinese population is on verge of decline, Indian population is in direction of decline.
Because with national development, genes of reproduction get weaker by generation.
But American population only increases.
Do they have already developed this tech? What do you guys think? :biggrin2:
Nope, don't think so. US population will remain stable. Their female population are much more than than males. They will unpleasant social gender issues of all kinds in not so far future.
 

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In 15 years.
Man, our GDP(nominal) per capita is $1820(not $1570 as you mentioned) and will reach $6958 by 2031.
If you know
Nominal vs PPP

Current:
$1820 vs $6664
2020(projected)
~$2450 vs $9207
2030(projected)
$6900-$7000 vs $14000-15000

If you know we will become a middle income country in nominal terms by 2025, even if growth is slowed down.
It will rank among top 90.
I was quoting from the latest World bank data available(from 2014), It takes a minimum of two years for data to be accurately analyzed and depicted on the country macro level.if you have better data than the world bank i would be very interested to know which these sources were.

http://data.worldbank.org/country/india
 

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Good Luck Pakistan:bounce::rofl:.......READ THIS.


The race to superpower status

By Asian Affairs | March, 2016


(Darren MacKie takes a look at the statistics behind the rise of two of Asia’s great nations, and wonders which will become the world’s next superpower.)

Before deciding who the next global superpower will be, let us first remind ourselves of what constitutes a superpower. The generally accepted view is that a superpower is a nation that can project its influence far beyond its own borders or region and onto the global stage. This is achieved through economic, military, cultural, diplomatic and technological strength. That being the case, there is an argument to be made that both India and China are already superpowers. But—and here is the big but—can either of them currently act on a global scale in all of these areas and if not, who will be the first?
Economically it is easier to show how India and China are both well on the way to superpower status. Both have internal markets that are continental in their size and scale. So vast are these markets that the rest of the ‘developed’ world is now vying for a piece of the pie in terms of exporting to both countries and buying from them. However, this is not the measure by which you can judge if a country is on the way to superpower status economically. Delving deeper into the Chinese and Indian economies to examine GDP growth, manufacturing output, the service sectors and foreign direct investment (FDI) in and out of both countries provides a much greater insight into who is most likely to dominate the future of the global economy, in much the same way the US has dominated for the last 60-70 years.
At first glance, and in many areas China has really stolen a march on India. A longer period of sustained double-digit growth has been achieved and China currently sits higher in the league of nations when it comes to the size of its economy. Though it is not acknowledged, China’s growth has steadily been declining over the last five years whilst India has been gradually increasing its growth, despite a blip in 2012, until finally at the end of 2015, India grew faster than China to become the fastest growing economy of all of the developed nations. A glance at the structure of each country’s economy also shows how slowly but surely this is paying off for India. Recent reports from the IMF and World Bank show that China is still increasingly reliant on its manufacturing and industrial base, which a counts for 44 per cent of its overall economy, and services, making up 46 per cent. Contrast this with India where industry only makes up 24 per cent of the economy with services accounting for 58 per cent. What this illustrates is that India is investing heavily in human capital through education to produce the engineers and scientists that are vital to success in the modern globalised world without the need to follow the traditional path of industrialisation ahead of entering the knowledge economy.
India is also more closely integrated into the global economy than China, Forbes reported just this year. When the two are compared, this comes as no surprise, for although China accounts for 17 per cent of global GDP whereas India accounts for just 7 per cent, Indian exports are worth a much higher percentage of its GDP than China’s. This is also true of FDI. At first glance, it appears that India is again miles behind China; according to the CIA World Factbook, FDI into China runs at US$1.44 trillion—12 times more than into India. But let us not forget that, comparatively speaking, FDI into India accounts for 12.3 per cent of inward investment at US$310 billion but only 10.5 per cent of inward investment to China. Outward FDI is also an interesting story; last year Indian companies completed 70 per cent of their mergers and acquisitions abroad, compared to China’s 50 per cent. Part of the reason for this is that India is a democracy and its companies are largely in the private sector, while China tends to have state-owned companies autocratically controlled from the centre. Faced with a choice, overseas companies tend to opt to sell to India.
There are large hurdles to overcome. But, with the BJP having a majority government that seems determined to remove barriers to trade and make the reforms necessary to attract further inward investment, alongside the Make in India campaign, there is every reason to believe that as long as the government continues to invest in infrastructure at a higher rate and educate the mass of its young population, India will dominate the globe economically more than China in the coming years.
Economic development is not the end of the story of rising to superpower status. Of course a dominant economy underpins all that follows, not least of which is the strong military needed to project power both at home and abroad. Now both India and China do have large militaries: there are over two million men under arms in China and 1.3 million in India. In the last few decades China has made giant strides in expanding its military base by building fifth generation fighter aircraft (the J-20) and increasing the size of its nuclear submarine fleet as well as a small number that can carry nuclear weapons. In contrast, India has only just started the process of modernisation.
India has to accept that today China does have a more advanced and more powerful military. Again, though, this is changing rapidly. India does not need more men, ships or aircraft than China to rise above China, it just needs to be better technologically. In this sphere India is ideally placed to quickly outmatch China. India already produces a lot of the world’s best scientists, designers, engineers, software engineers and, because of its relative openness and willingness to work with other nations, the changes are already coming fast. For example, India is already testing a fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), which is a collaboration between Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and the Russian Sukhoi Corporation, who have been building military aircraft for over 70 years. This is a large multirole aircraft capable of being a fighter and bomber and employing the latest stealth technologies, high levels of manoeuvrability, cruise speeds above Mach-1, active electronically scanned radar systems and advanced firing controls with increased accuracy. All this puts it in the same class as the Chinese-made J-20 and the American F-22. The programme is also being run alongside other military projects to build best-in-class versions of cruise missiles that the FGFA will be capable of carrying. Added to this home-grown, home-built solution that could be exported is the announcement, reported on the BBC on January 25, that France and India have now signed an agreement for India to purchase 36 Rafale Jets from France and it is widely believed that this deal includes the sharing of some technology. But it is India’s design of the FGFA that makes all the difference against China. According to the defence magazine The National Interest, the J-20 has been built with no foreign help at all and the FGFA will allow India to match and possibly surpass Chinese advancements in the air.
At sea India is also taking huge strides with help received from Russian engineers to build its first nuclear submarine with a nuclear reactor and capable of launching medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles whilst submerged, making India only the sixth country in the world capable of doing so and bringing it back to parity with China. The submarine will have global range and will extend India’s nuclear reach. Now it must be acknowledged that India is initially building three of these submarines, meaning that only 12 nuclear missiles could be at sea at any time, which is in keeping with the ‘no first strike’ nuclear policy. But all the same, India now has a much better platform to react to a surprise nuclear attack. Along with a new anti-ship missile capable of being fired from land, sea and air and its two-stage design, this means it can be launched from underwater as well. Built in conjunction with Russia, the missile is one of the most advanced in the world today and once in use, the threat could come from anywhere.
Next up are the new Kolkata-Class ships. Two have already been commissioned, the INS-Kolkata and INS-Kochi, with the INS-Chennai undergoing sea trials and tests. These new destroyers pack a punch greater than that in any navy anywhere and have active scanning radar to see threats over land and at sea, which is backed up by Sonar arrays that can detect submarines. True naval power projection of course comes from the building of aircraft carriers and India launched the 37,500-tonne INS-Vikrant in 2013, which is a first-in-class aircraft carrier built in India, with another on the way. The building and launching of this aircraft carrier propelled India into an elite club of only four other countries that are capable of doing so. India is also one of only four countries that has built a ballistic missile defence system.
So whilst China is currently in the lead, India is already well on the way to catching up with Chinese capability based on the technology it is employing in its new generation of aircraft and ships. The fact that India is able to draw on the expertise of other already advanced military designers augurs well for the Indian military at least retaining parity with, if not surpassing, China in the years ahead.
Finally, in technology India still lags slightly behind China. In a report for Industry Week it was noted that India is probably ten years behind China overall in terms of R&D investment and patents registered. This should come as no real surprise, considering the opening of the Indian economy really started with the economic reforms of Manmohan Singh in 1991, whereas China had started some years before. What is surprising is how India is racing to catch up. The same report in Industry Week noted that India has passed China in terms of pharmaceutical industries, steel and automotive technologically, which has been driven by Indian multinationals being able to buy up already developed companies overseas and gain access to their technologies. Think Tata buying Jaguar Landrover and Corus, which China has not been able to match. The life sciences are also booming in India, with year-on-year increases of investment in R&D largely coming from the private sector and not the government. In the areas of R&D the largest increases have come from FDI into India from overseas companies that see India as a place where there is a cost-effective and well-educated workforce for research.
Overseas Indian technology companies are also having a good time. They find it much easier than their Chinese counterparts to access foreign markets because of a good understanding of English and how the Western world works. Kai-Fu Lee, the CEO and founder of China’s Innovation Works, said in an interview with Bloomberg that while growth in the Chinese technology sector is huge, the sector itself is very small and there are not many examples of Chinese companies doing well outside of China or foreign companies doing well in China because of cultural and language difficulties. Contrast that statement with India, whose largest technology companies such as Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys or Oracle Financial Services Software operate in every continent and are truly global in scale. The six largest companies also only account for 36 per cent of total IT services revenue, meaning there is a competitive market for the smaller firms to compete and grow in. As the table above shows, most of the IT service sector exports outside India. It is this ability for Indian companies to operate on a global scale and attract the R&D investment back to India that has allowed the country to develop a technology sector that innovates new technology, new products and services for global consumption, projecting a modern view of India around the world.
In space technology both India and China have successfully put a human in space and returned them to Earth, However, while China has focused on manned space flight, India has sent a satellite to Mars and successfully put it into orbit—only the third country to go to Mars and the first to do so successfully at the first attempt.
So who will be the next global superpower? Whilst for the last 20 years the world has been watching China’s meteoric rise, they have being paying less attention to the more gradual rise of India. But with Indian businesses now spreading out over the world and the economic slowdown that may yet result in China getting a hard landing, India has been able to use its strengths to match and surpass Chinese economic growth whilst slowly but surely modernising its military, skipping an industrial revolution and using its people’s skills in innovation, design and technology to make the things the world needs. Simply put, if China is the workshop that builds what others have designed, then India is quickly catching up as the brain that designs and makes the things the rest of the world didn’t know it needed until India designed it. For India to succeed and attain true superpower status before China, then the government must continue to invest in R&D backed up by private corporations, its home grown military designs must be continued if not quickened to gain parity with China and structural reforms in infrastructure and tax must be implemented sooner rather than later. Another area the government must concentrate is in the general education of the workforce to make sure that the 100 million people who are expected to join the workforce in the next ten years can take advantage of the modern economy.
While there is much to do over the next 20 years, India is ideally placed to step up and take its place alongside the United States as a truly global superpower, making this the Indian Century.

Source Link: http://www.asianaffairs.in/2016/03/the-race-to-superpower-status/
 

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Wishing that happens.
Anyway, you guys have noticed one thing?
@garg_bharat @Superdefender @bengalraider
Russian Population declined, Japanese population declined, Chinese population is on verge of decline, Indian population is in direction of decline.
Because with national development, genes of reproduction get weaker by generation.
But American population only increases.
Do they have already developed this tech? What do you guys think? :biggrin2:
Actually no, this is not so much about genetics as it is about stress levels and workload impacting reproductive activity.
The Indian and Chinese Populations will remain the worlds largest for the foreseeable future and we shall remain the most populous nations in the world for the next two centuries at least.
 

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Sorry for replying late, actually I didn't notice your post.
I was quoting from the latest World bank data available(from 2014), It takes a minimum of two years for data to be accurately analyzed and depicted on the country macro level.if you have better data than the world bank i would be very interested to know which these sources were.

http://data.worldbank.org/country/india
My numbers are from IMF projections.
They aren't absolutely same (for future) but end up very close to actual numbers.
The data you gave of 2014 is almost same as rhat of IMF projected 5-6 years ago.
 

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The porkis chance of sustaining an arms race with India is akin to the chance North Korea has to become the worlds largest country economically... But porkis would rather eat grass nd mud so as to sustai the arms race with us...:india::india:
 

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I care about all humans ,bro

and the education I have is something you cant even dream of.
A Paki talking about education. No we can't dream of Madrassah education. We dream about IIT, IIM, ISB, MDI, TIFR, AIIMS, SPJIMR, IISc education though. Look these institutions up on the internet and compare them with your LUMs and what not. You'll get the idea.
 
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Pakistan has been able to sustain an arms race with India only thru the charity of others . The benefactors give gifts encourage war then show false sympathy and then replenish with new gifts.
 
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Pakistan has never been able to sustain an arms race with India but is thru charity of others which has sustained them. The benefactors give gifts encourage war then show false sympathy and then replenish with new gifts.
Do you watch zombie movies? :biggrin2:
I feel pakis are like zombies. :alien:

No matter at what heights we reach, they will remain only brave (or I say stupid :grin: ) country who will never ever lean to us and would always remain tackle us. They are nothing more than a country like Nepal and Bhutan but they have a fake ego.

And this superiority complex makes them struggle non stop.

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Basically Pakistan has let itself get to a point where if it was not a pawn and charity was not received collapse would be imminent. The only reason Pakistan was created was to be a thorn in the side for India so it will always be supported and propped up. India is doing the right thing by dismantling from within(pak doing a better job) only a matter of time before they reach a point where nobody can save them.
 
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