Pakistan Brings Raw Complaint To Us

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  1. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Pakistan brings RAW complaint to US

    WASHINGTON: Pakistan is bringing to the United States' door its complaints about the alleged involvement of India's spy agency RAW in stoking unrest in Pakistan in course of yet another round of ''strategic dialogue'' between Washington and Islamabad starting Tuesday.

    Pakistan's pointman for the new salvo is the country's foreign policy advisor Sartaj Aziz, the man who said in an interview last year that Islamabad should not target terrorists who do not threaten Pakistan, and asked, ''Why should America's enemies unnecessarily become our enemies?'' An old warhorse on the well-worn India-Pakistan track, Aziz reportedly told a conference in Islamabad on Sunday -- ahead of a Pakistani delegation's trip to Washington -- that Pakistan would ''expose India at the international level for 'stoking unrest in the country'''

    The ''RAW hand'' is the latest trope in what Pakistan says will be its ''name and shame'' campaign that has been energized by abstruse statements by senior Indian officials that have been interpreted provocatively. Although there have been no takers in official circles in the past for Islamabad's complaints about RAW involvement in Pakistan given the country's dismal reputation for state-sponsored terrorism (and claims of responsibility for terror acts by Pakistan's own terror groups) Pakistani mandarins arrived in Washington on Monday with a mandate to capitalize on the Indian statements.

    Pakistani media reports said foreign secretary Aizaz Chaudhry was given a 'brief' by the government to inform the Obama administration about the alleged involvement of India in fomenting unrest in Pakistan. He is also expected to raise recent statements by India's defence and interior ministers in which they called for ''neutralizing terrorists through terrorists.''

    Short of being laughed out of Washington, the Pakistani team can expect little or no hearing on the matter given its track record of harboring terrorists, including Osama bin Laden, and those who killed 160 people in the Mumbai 26/11 attack, including six American citizens. Several Pakistani nationals have been apprehended in the US and across the world in planned and thwarted terrorist attacks.

    Prominent US analysts, while calling for a reappraisal of US-Pakistan ties, have repeatedly pointed out that Pakistan continues to create terrorists while fighting a selective war against others.

    While a reappraisal does not seem to be on the cards given US dependency of Pakistan for its drawdown in Afghanistan, the relationship itself is going nowhere. This, notwithstanding the $1 billion bonanza in military hardware that the Pakistani military got, mainly to keep it happy with new toys and lubricate US egress from Afghanistan where Pakistan-backed terrorists have killed scores of American troops.

    In fact, given that Secretary of State John Kerry has been rendered hors de combat in a cycling accident, the ''strategic dialogue'' does not appear to have any heft. It is unclear if Sartaj Aziz, who is not even a minister, will make the trip.

    During his visit here last January, Aziz complained about the primacy US accorded to India, and said, ''There is a strong perception in Pakistan that while a lot of pressure is exerted on Pakistan on issues of concerns to India, our legitimate concerns are not conveyed to India with the same intensity.'' The American response: More high level visits to India - including that of the US Defense Secretary this week - even as Pakistan slides further down the precipice.

    In fact, the agenda for the ''strategic dialogue'' this week includes working groups on nuclear safety and security and non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), an area where Pakistan's record is dodgy despite claims to the contrary.

    Foreign Secretary Chaudhry is being accompanied by Air Commodore (r) Khalid Buneri, a senior official of the Strategic Planning Division (SPD), and the delegation is expected to face close questioning given recent statements by ISIS about its plans to acquire nuclear weapons from Pakistan.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-RAW-complaint-to-US/articleshow/47508484.cms
     
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  3. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Now is a good opportunity for the Americans to tell the Pakistanis, either you are with us or with China. ... lol....
     
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    RAW's answer to Pakistan will be...

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    The article is a laughing stock, less substance and more rhetoric.
     
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    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Just like pakistan's complaint is right...lol..
     
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    indiandefencefan Regular Member

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    Pakistan has complained about us before but only have bought out wild accusations and rhetoric with no substance to back up their far fetched claims.
    This will be like all other times when pakistan has complained with the US taking no whatsoever action on the issue.
     
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    They talk with evidence of RAW's involvement which is a little more than a toilet paper and soap wrapper. And your minister further cemented their case with his provocative speech.
     
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    Both Carter and Kerry are not in office, who are they going to complain to?
     
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    The I'm lovin it guy.............................................................................

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    Like I said some months earlier, Sartaz Aziz has gone bonkers. This senile old man is doing more harm to his own country than good by giving into their military's wishes.

    Highlight will be next year when Modi will be visiting Pakistan for SAARC summit. Hope Aziz is out of picture by then.
     
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    Neither country is clean. Both nations have blood on their hands.
     
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    They are trying to pressurize India through US and want to bring US under their confidence to make statements against India.

    But where are the proofs? They do not have proofs.
     
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    with what a ham burger o_Oo_Oo_O ?
     
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    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    Ham is haram for them so they gotta settle for whatever this i'm lovin it guy can provide in halal category....

     
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    if you could pass provocative speeches as evidence, then pakistan would have been the biggest threat to the world, even now your leaders and ex generals talk of causing terror in India, and speak proudly (with hypothetical claims) of the victory they got on India, see your mussaraf for example.
    but my dear international politics don't work that way. when your people return from US, do ask them what they achieved with this trip.
     
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    would have been? o_O

    Pakistan is a biggest threat to the whole civilization of the globe :truestory:
     
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    Except that Pakistanis does it real, Indian terror is imagined.
     
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    i think they have much more to talk about in the region of Saudi and Iran ... and pakis sphere is being reconfigured. iran and nuclear deal opens many corridors of propositions that pakis might be pushed into.

    it seems that what the pakis did and rejected saudi advances (initially) seems to have produced a silence. can we give them credit - is it still a decision that is left hanging and not conclusive: this silence is when the talks and productions happen
     
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    Washington: Pakistan Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry did not submit any dossier on alleged Indian activities inside his country during meetings with top US officials in Washington in June, a top American official has said. Quite contrary to the reports that appeared in mainstream Pakistan media before his US trip, Chaudhry is believed to have told his American counterparts that the purpose of his trip was not to lodge complaint against India, but to focus on bilateral strategic and economic relationship. "There is no dossier (on India). I can say that categorically. There may be a dossier (inside Pakistan) , but he (Chaudhry) did not deliver to us," said a top State Department official. During his stay in Washington, he held a wide-range of meetings with senior US officials including Deputy Secretary of State Antony J Blinken, Undersecretary of Defense Christine Wormuth, Treasury Undersecretary Adam J Szubin, and Dan Feldman, Special Representative on Afghanistan and Pakistan. Ahead of Chaudhry's US visit, Pakistani media had reported that he was taking with him evidences of Indian intelligence agency RAW's alleged involvement in "stoking terrorism" in Pakistan. Every time Pakistan has raised such issues, the US is believed to have asked for sharing of concrete evidences, which has not been submitted by it so far. It is learnt that the US side in its meetings with the Pakistani delegation led by Chaudhry raised the issue of action against Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jamaat-ud-Dawa in particular the bail of Lakhvi, the 26/11 mastermind.


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