Pakistan breaks record for highest number of cars sold in a month

[anupamsurey]

Are you talking about car's like this one?

Yeah, with the ongoing fuel crisis they did manage to sell record number of cars, to be lugged by mules.

 

[tarunraju]

You can get this car also after 4 to 6 months after you ordered it.

That's because it takes that much time for a CBU to be dispatched from Thailand, land in Karachi port and make it to your dealership. Here in India, corollas are manufactured and stocked locally, and so it takes about 4 days after settlement of payment for you to get delivery, however exotic the variant you order.

 

[Compersion]

We ought gift a few tata indica , nano, safari to Pakistan let them test drive ... (We can embed some GPS trackers for review) also we can dump a lot of our second hand stuff there (and Afghanistan) we have to get into business mindset with these guys

Like microsoft windows penetrate we have to think out of the box

 

[Compersion]

That's because it takes that much time for a CBU to be dispatched from Thailand, land in Karachi port and make it to your dealership. Here in India, corollas are manufactured and stocked locally, and so it takes about 4 days after settlement of payment for you to get delivery, however exotic the variant you order.

Common sense would be thinking why the Indian toyota plants and Toyota stuff not supply and sold in pakistan ... Pakistan would get cheaper stuff and more sales and earn more tax and more productivity ... Why all the way from Thailand where transportation and other costs make it expensive for pakistan people and government not earn much and produxticity .

Unless it is being done in grey market and hidden substitution and pakistan car market is actually being supplied by India (especially the Japanese stuff) including parts. I am surprised Japanese able to have such qualitatively thinking and in the contemporary India and Japanese relationship the Japanese might be reminded that it's pakistan policy needs to have more common sense and obviously strategic sense. Further french and PRC look at Japan with envy and wonder how it has secure and safe business parameter. Its about business and doing it the right way.

Why not be official about it !! But first we make it unofficially attractive to talk and action. India because if its large consumer market , location and reach is natural place and it is not a policy of inhabitation of others

 

[tarunraju]

Common sense would be thinking why the Indian toyota plants and Toyota stuff not supply and sold in pakistan ... Pakistan would get cheaper stuff and more sales and earn more tax and more productivity ... Why all the way from Thailand where transportation and other costs make it expensive for pakistan people and government not earn much and produxticity .

Unless it is being done in grey market and hidden substitution and pakistan car market is actually being supplied by India (especially the Japanese stuff) including parts. I am surprised Japanese able to have such qualitatively thinking and in the contemporary India and Japanese relationship the Japanese might be reminded that it's pakistan policy needs to have more common sense and obviously strategic sense. Further french and PRC look at Japan with envy and wonder how it has secure and safe business parameter. Its about business and doing it the right way.

Why not be official about it !! But first we make it unofficially attractive to talk and action. India because if its large consumer market , location and reach is natural place and it is not a policy of inhabitation of others

Because evil Hindu-made Corollas could have tracking devices, spyware, and satellite-triggered killswitches hidden into the ECUs.

Another reason why Toyota deliveries are slow in Pakistan compared to India is because Toyota's Indian plant (Toyota-Kirloskar Industries, in Karnataka) is huge. Toyota alone sells about 200,000 vehicles in India per year (more than Pakistan's cumulative car sales across all brands).

 

[Compersion]

Because evil Hindu-made Corollas could have tracking devices, spyware, and satellite-triggered killswitches hidden into the ECUs.

Another reason why Toyota deliveries are slow in Pakistan compared to India is because Toyota's Indian plant (Toyota-Kirloskar Industries, in Karnataka) is huge. Toyota alone sells about 200,000 vehicles in India per year (more than Pakistan's cumulative car sales across all brands).

Sorry for long reply. But linking it to the flow i developed earlier.

India because of the natural position and size and also its large consumer market , location and reach is natural place to have a manufacturing base. If you look at the shape of the country it can do well to supply to Africa, Europe, Middle East and others from west and from east and south to South East Asia, and beyond. If one looks at location and having efficiency it prevails having a base in India (one can calculate using having a single large manufacturing base) because not only export one gets a local large consumer market. This is not a policy of inhabitation of others in fact India is a model for growth to the region and world.

Why is Pakistan still with such a closed eyes it will only benefit them if they get goods and supply from India. Even Taiwan and PRC do trade.

Why is Toyota and even any other car manufacturer in Pakistan not supplied from India !! it makes common sense. Are all the cars that are in Pakistan pure and without a single part from India (one would be surprised).

Common sense has it that to make the Japanese tell the Pakistan people that it is ridiculous and business stupidity that they are having their market and economy suffer. Japanese are supplying Pakistan from far away distance without linear connect where India is within hours. This is embarrassing for Japanese if one knows what they are doing.

This is not only the case for Japanese (but they can be at the forefront) but also other manufacturers that are doing well in India including the French and others. Further the products available in India include Tata, Mahindra and our bikes which the Pakistan economy would require and do well with.

I am not sure if people remember the days when the Computer 486 was not available easily in India ... it was because of supply and the supply came from overseas usually. It was ridiculous and when Pentiums were available overseas we were still with 486s and usually slower models (most were Japanese manufacturers). What I am saying is if Pakistan does not want Japanese cars they can have PRC cars.

Will Japan suffer if they withdraw from Pakistan market ?? If Pakistan does not want supply from India - the Japanese needs to play fair like before.

We have to speak frankly with the Japanese and they needs to withdraw from Pakistan market unless they make business common sense.

We have to put pressure on them and use them in our Pakistan policy. The Japanese are doing extremely well in India and using India for supplying nearby markets. Suzuki is having its no.1 market from India and look at Toyota, Honda, and others. There is a Japanese hub being created. Many Japanese companies are surviving and doing well because of it. Are we not able to use Japan to make Pakistan open up to us.

We have to get into business mindset with these guys and everyone nearby us more and more !! We also have to use free tempting offers to Pakistan -> Thats where Tatas and Mahindras come in. But this is not only about Pakistan it is about all the countries nearby. But I use Pakistan because it is the most nonsensical business market and common sense needs to prevail !!

 

[tarunraju]

Sorry for long reply. But linking it to the flow i developed earlier.

[snip]

To be fair to Pakis, we have a similar position on cars made in China. Many of the higher end models of German car brands (think Mercedes-Benz S-class, Audi A8L, BMW 7-series) and Swedish Volvo, are imported as CBUs (completely-built units) from factories in Romania, instead of those same companies' factories in China, which build those high-end models from scratch.

It's cheaper to import those CBUs to India from PRC, but there are restrictions that force those companies to import them from Europe instead. There's localization on manufacturing of a lot of luxury cars in India, but there are still several luxury models that are being imported from Europe at a fortune, instead of PRC. Our high-end car purchases are paying lavish European wages instead of cheaper Chinese wages, which could have resulted in slightly cheaper cars for us.

 

[Blackwater]

To be fair to Pakis, we have a similar position on cars made in China. Many of the higher end models of German car brands (think Mercedes-Benz S-class, Audi A8L, BMW 7-series) and Swedish Volvo, are imported as CBUs (completely-built units) from factories in Romania, instead of those same companies' factories in China, which build those high-end models from scratch.

It's cheaper to import those CBUs to India from PRC, but there are restrictions that force those companies to import them from Europe instead. There's localization on manufacturing of a lot of luxury cars in India, but there are still several luxury models that are being imported from Europe at a fortune, instead of PRC. Our high-end car purchases are paying lavish European wages instead of cheaper Chinese wages, which could have resulted in slightly cheaper cars for us.

 

[Compersion]

To be fair to Pakis, we have a similar position on cars made in China. Many of the higher end models of German car brands (think Mercedes-Benz S-class, Audi A8L, BMW 7-series) and Swedish Volvo, are imported as CBUs (completely-built units) from factories in Romania, instead of those same companies' factories in China, which build those high-end models from scratch.

It's cheaper to import those CBUs to India from PRC, but there are restrictions that force those companies to import them from Europe instead. There's localization on manufacturing of a lot of luxury cars in India, but there are still several luxury models that are being imported from Europe at a fortune, instead of PRC. Our high-end car purchases are paying lavish European wages instead of cheaper Chinese wages, which could have resulted in slightly cheaper cars for us.

Again apologies for the long reply.

Agreed. I take your point. Also i am sure you are knowing how to contradict it. Will not get into the India vs PRC debate and also if high end car manufacturers are actually existent in PRC (engines and main componets still come from europe) and why. It is true that jaguar land rover might build in prc but they are building in Saudi and also india but not thailand. But that admits my premise of localistaion for large markets that supply nearby if not with extreme benefits (Saudi). India is not yet in the range of numbers of prc market especially high end (debatable what is current figures),

We have got a example of what you said with SAIL and general motors into india where they use their shanghai base. Last time I checked this is allowed and we are not risk averse to it. Is it succeaful one might say the market of prc is different to india. Will not touch issue on quality and choice from prc vs india. Are we getting india to prc ... Mahindra perhaps with ssayong (but that's from Korea). I think ford is doing india to south east asia might include prc and taiwan not sure. But main point is india and prc do trade when it makes business sense. India and Pakistan does not.

My premise expands away from PRC since we take India to be a large and larger market to Pakistan and also ease of acess. Indian and pakistan market is similar and one can see the use and choice of the larger sellers. Also supplying to pakistan from india will not be difficult and most if not all products of Pakistan are readily available in india (and at better cost).

We are also taking a large vs small point and not large vs large like india vs prc. Further one need not limit to cars but also other areas (we see tata tea into Pakistan but why not other areas also).

India to pakistan trade is non existent and it makes no common sense for pakistan to do trade in such costly manner. Why it is not even more costly begs a question. Why it is allowed in such manner by india is another question.

PRC to India trade does not have ease of access like India and pakistan trade. Its linear. I use the example of prc and Taiwan in context.

Further hypothetically if these high end manufacturers were to move their factory away from eastern Europe and location and ease of access was a consideration they would by logic move to India and not prc. But high end manufacturers are not into heavy numbers and have large profit margins and at this moment India does not support the local sales. Prc does not supply to Europe.

Since India can supply Europe far more easily to prc and also India can supply prc. One can expand that to USA and oceanic also. Not in high end but we are seeing this in low end and middle end where manufacturers are locating to india. The car parts are already heavy supply from india.

With high end one needs one massive base and local market. What favors india is laws, transparency, language etc etc and safety this is especially with pakistan reference and also prc. Prc has labour control (no unions and ease) but with more and more automation it is more laws language and education that is focal. Its common sense.

But sticking to this thread topic it makes no common sense for pakistan and we have good relations with japanese . if Pakistan wants to do trade and business purely anti india let them have highest cost possible and we have our partners who have largest sales figures in india to kindly support us. Highest cost possible also means choice and ease.

PRC can supply to Pakistan ... But asking why Japanese supply to pakistan from outside India makes no common sense. Why is it allowed.

I use japanese example since the main market of pakistan cars is japanese (we really have to use our business minds with these japense chaps and be partners in strategic sense)

The Japanese needs to present this common sense to pakistan and say that with safety issues in mind they are having it difficult to do business in pakistan and if they don't want to have supply from india they have no choice but to shut shop ... Is that wrong to present ...

Japanese are experts in minimising expendeture and maximiming quality. But what they are doing in pakistan is nonsensical. Is pakistan like saudi arabia to jaguar. The japanese are treating pakistan like kings and willingly degrading their own image and india a market that is massive to them ...

What is going on ?? Pakistan getting it too easy ... Pakistan will only grow and earn more and expand its economy if it does trade with and thru india

Its common sense also. But if they don't want to behave common sense ...

 

[gslv markIII]

indian joke have a very bitter taste in my mouth

Are you really a Brit or Pakistani ? Anyway,both of these groups are Indophobic

 

[gslv markIII]

At least 8 months booking and than you can get your hands on this one

Isn't this the Euro II city ?

 

[gslv markIII]

Kuttay ka kaam bhonkna yara, ignore karo.
Bhonk bhonk kar khud chup ho jayega.

Get a grip of reality,kid-take a look at where you stand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#Top_vehicle_manufacturing_groups_by_volume

And what about emission standards followed by Pakistan ? Euro II !!!
Environmentalists,please take note.

BTW,how come a country like Pakistan,which claims to have developed the 'Islamic atom bomb' & 'which can ' (Yes,your ) and co developed JF 17 couldn't even come up with a basic two stroke engine for its mopeds ?

The only thing you guys are good at are paint jobs-that too with imported paint ...Like the back this 'jingle truck'.Someone tell that guy that he is parading the pic of a North Korean Nodong missile...

 

[Bornubus]

Pak vehicles should be compatible with RDX and other misc explosive so that it could be easily exploded by a Jihadi.

Euro 2 doesn't matter.

 

[Gessler]

Are you really a Brit or Pakistani ? Anyway,both of these groups are Indophobic

Amen to that. The Brit group is actually a lot more bitter & frustrated.

 

[sorcerer]

. Despite being the sixth most populous country in the world, there has been no transfer of technology and local manufacture of vehicle components is minimal. In total, only a few car models are being assembled in the country. The lack of competition in the local auto industry due to the presence of just three assemblers - and only one small car assembler - has resulted in technological stagnation of the industry; small cars produced by Pak Suzuki, the country's largest auto assembler and a subsidiary of Suzuki Motor Corp., in the country are globally retired models using obsolete technology and not offering any safety features. To date, Pakistan has not enforced any automotive safety and quality standards.

Only three international brands have passenger car assembling operations in Pakistan that includes:

• Toyota
• Honda
• Suzuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Pakistan

 

[gslv markIII]

Amen to that. The Brit group is actually a lot more bitter & frustrated.

''In my experience of reporting Britain I never witnessed such a level of public hostility towards India before — not even when Britain has been at the receiving end of Indian ire such as over London's “double standards” on terrorism and its faintly pro-Pakistan line on Kashmir. The anger is palpable, cuts across party lines and — fuelled by the right-wing media — has percolated down to ordinary Britons on the street. Some of the reaction, especially on the Right, has a whiff of the hard-to-die old cultural arrogance: “how dare a country, a former colony to boot, and a recipient of our aid dare snub us?” Expressions like “ingratitude” are being bandied around with shrill calls for scrapping the aid to India.''

Well that's gratitude! We give India £1bn in aid, THEY snub the UK and give France a £13bn jet contract

EXCLUSIVE: Lunar-cy! India gets enough cash in British aid to allow it to send a £250million rocket to the moon... even though government promised to stop it

Racist, ....

With a name like Patel she must work in a corner shop: Judge resigns after outrageous racial slur on Asian victim in harassment trial

..Neo-imperialist bunch of little islanders

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ng-leaders-crippled-post-imperial-cringe.html

 

[Anikastha]

Get a grip of reality,kid-take a look at where you stand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry#Top_vehicle_manufacturing_groups_by_volume

And what about emission standards followed by Pakistan ? Euro II !!!
Environmentalists,please take note.

BTW,how come a country like Pakistan,which claims to have developed the 'Islamic atom bomb' & 'which can ' (Yes,your ) and co developed JF 17 couldn't even come up with a basic two stroke engine for its mopeds ?

The only thing you guys are good at are paint jobs-that too with imported paint ...Like the back this 'jingle truck'.Someone tell that guy that he is parading the pic of a North Korean Nodong missile...

Oh shit .Is that missile real one?
If it is ..then @Screambowl 's words are true.

 

[gslv markIII]

Oh shit .Is that missile real one?

Nah...

That was in 1999,these fellows are celebrating the test of the 'Islamic atom bomb'

 

[Rowdy]

Is it cars or is it Karts.... Sitara City kart paaindabaad. (Koi photo dalo uski)

 

[I_PLAY_BAD]

A useless thread only allowing cripple-knowledged Pakistanis to falsely propagandize their pound-foolish car industry in a big manner here.