Pakistan blinks, reopens NATO supply routes
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Afghanistan and talibans will now hate bakistan even more. it's a win for us.
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well its interesting to see that pak is depended on AID, so much . it can survive of its own.
i wonder how they will maintained their nuclear weapons.
its good move, lets make pak like a drug addict.
i wonder how they will maintained their nuclear weapons.
its good move, lets make pak like a drug addict.
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One of the american senator has commented on pakis few yrs back." For even 20$ pakis can sell their mothers"
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This seems like another paki wet dream, born beggars
Pakistan's price: US to pay $365 million more a year to reopen supply lines - CSMonitor.com
Pakistan's price: US to pay $365 million more a year to reopen supply lines - CSMonitor.com
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^^ Begging is their birthright, and they shall have it.
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they don't like to get involved in this mess and i respect that.
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yeah even prostitute negotiate price, so nothing new in that, some time back even Mushi took money to transfer terrorists (Pakistanis) to Guantanamo Bay.
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There are other routes also. but very heavy machinery can be transported only by sea and Pakistan's Karachi is that sea port.
By air, stuff r going through Dubai,and central Asian countries. By train from Riga(Latvia) to central Asian countries to north Afghanistan
interestingly ameericans are using same train lines which was used by Russian 30 yrs back
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No deal with Pakistan casts shadow over NATO summit .
May 21, 2012 , by IANS
Chicago : As a NATO summit opened here amid protests, the US failed to strike a deal with Pakistan to reopen supply lines to Afghanistan casting a long shadow over talks to end the alliance's combat role in the Afghan war.
US President Barack "Obama remained at loggerheads with President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, refusing even to meet with him without an agreement on the supply routes," the New York Times reported. It also cited officials in both countries as saying a deal would not be coming soon.
Zardari, who flew to Chicago with hopes of lifting his stature with a meeting with Obama, was preparing to leave empty-handed, it said, amid continued tensions over US air strikes in November that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers leading to the closure of the supply routes.
Zardari did, however, meet with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to discuss the supply routes, said a report citing Ben Rhodes, a deputy US national security advisor. However Rhodes gave no details.
Meanwhile, protesters clad in black clashed with police at the end of what had been a peaceful march and rally by thousands of demonstrators, led by disenchanted veterans of the Iraq and Afghan wars protesting the opening of the two-day NATO summit.
The demonstration was the largest Chicago has seen in years, according to ABC News.
The battle between protesters believed to be members of the anarchist group Black Bloc and police left several demonstrators bloodied, and marred what had been a solemn and orderly march.
At the end of the march, the vets threw their NATO medals over the fence set up by the Secret Service around McCormick Place.
Earlier, three men were arrested on terrorism charges Saturday. They are accused of building Molotov cocktails and planning attacks at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters and at the home of Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel during the NATO Summit, prosecutors said.
Brian Church, 20, Vincent Betterly and Jared Chase, both 24, were charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism, providing support for terrorism and possession of an explosive or incendiary device.
Indian Defence News - No deal with Pakistan casts shadow over NATO summit
May 21, 2012 , by IANS
Chicago : As a NATO summit opened here amid protests, the US failed to strike a deal with Pakistan to reopen supply lines to Afghanistan casting a long shadow over talks to end the alliance's combat role in the Afghan war.
US President Barack "Obama remained at loggerheads with President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, refusing even to meet with him without an agreement on the supply routes," the New York Times reported. It also cited officials in both countries as saying a deal would not be coming soon.
Zardari, who flew to Chicago with hopes of lifting his stature with a meeting with Obama, was preparing to leave empty-handed, it said, amid continued tensions over US air strikes in November that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers leading to the closure of the supply routes.
Zardari did, however, meet with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to discuss the supply routes, said a report citing Ben Rhodes, a deputy US national security advisor. However Rhodes gave no details.
Meanwhile, protesters clad in black clashed with police at the end of what had been a peaceful march and rally by thousands of demonstrators, led by disenchanted veterans of the Iraq and Afghan wars protesting the opening of the two-day NATO summit.
The demonstration was the largest Chicago has seen in years, according to ABC News.
The battle between protesters believed to be members of the anarchist group Black Bloc and police left several demonstrators bloodied, and marred what had been a solemn and orderly march.
At the end of the march, the vets threw their NATO medals over the fence set up by the Secret Service around McCormick Place.
Earlier, three men were arrested on terrorism charges Saturday. They are accused of building Molotov cocktails and planning attacks at Obama's Chicago campaign headquarters and at the home of Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel during the NATO Summit, prosecutors said.
Brian Church, 20, Vincent Betterly and Jared Chase, both 24, were charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism, providing support for terrorism and possession of an explosive or incendiary device.
Indian Defence News - No deal with Pakistan casts shadow over NATO summit
Pakistan seeks transit fee for each NATO tanker
From $5000 per truck the Pakistanis are now haggling at around $2000. I would assume that the Americans would probably end with giving around $800-1000 if they are lucky
Pakistan seeks $2000 transit fee for each NATO tanker
Lahore: Pakistan has reportedly demanded $1800 to $2000 as the fee for every NATO container truck and tanker during negotiations with the US for reopening supply routes for foreign troops in Afghanistan.
Earlier, the US had refused to accept Pakistan's demand of $5000 a truck. Since then, negotiations have been underway and Pakistan has now proposed a fee of between $1800 and $2000.
"Once the deal is finalised, it will end the standoff between the US and Pakistan over the NATO supply routes, which started in November over the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a NATO air strike on Salala check post," a Pakistani government official told PTI.
He said that Pakistan could no longer bear the US pressure for reopening the NATO routes as the country's financial interests were attached to the issue.
On the other hand, the Defa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC), a grouping of over 40 hardline and extremist groups cobbled together by Jamaat-ud-Dawah Chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, has warned that it would organise a "long march" if the federal government reopens the supply routes that were closed after the NATO air strike.
"We have also learnt that the Pakistani government has almost agreed to reopen the NATO routes by charging 2000 dollars from the US for each truck," said Jamaat-e-Islami Chief Munawar Hassan, who is a part of the DPC.
He said that Pakistan was facing "extreme pressure" from the US in this regard.
"We think the government cannot sustain the American pressure and it will surely reopen the NATO supply routes in the near future," he said.
From $5000 per truck the Pakistanis are now haggling at around $2000. I would assume that the Americans would probably end with giving around $800-1000 if they are lucky
Pakistan seeks $2000 transit fee for each NATO tanker
Lahore: Pakistan has reportedly demanded $1800 to $2000 as the fee for every NATO container truck and tanker during negotiations with the US for reopening supply routes for foreign troops in Afghanistan.
Earlier, the US had refused to accept Pakistan's demand of $5000 a truck. Since then, negotiations have been underway and Pakistan has now proposed a fee of between $1800 and $2000.
"Once the deal is finalised, it will end the standoff between the US and Pakistan over the NATO supply routes, which started in November over the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in a NATO air strike on Salala check post," a Pakistani government official told PTI.
He said that Pakistan could no longer bear the US pressure for reopening the NATO routes as the country's financial interests were attached to the issue.
On the other hand, the Defa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC), a grouping of over 40 hardline and extremist groups cobbled together by Jamaat-ud-Dawah Chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, has warned that it would organise a "long march" if the federal government reopens the supply routes that were closed after the NATO air strike.
"We have also learnt that the Pakistani government has almost agreed to reopen the NATO routes by charging 2000 dollars from the US for each truck," said Jamaat-e-Islami Chief Munawar Hassan, who is a part of the DPC.
He said that Pakistan was facing "extreme pressure" from the US in this regard.
"We think the government cannot sustain the American pressure and it will surely reopen the NATO supply routes in the near future," he said.
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Some background info on this
Reopening Nato supply: Govt justifies $5,000 fee for shipping containers – The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD:
As Pakistan and the United States make some headway in bilateral talks, Islamabad's demand for $5,000 per container for transporting goods to Afghanistan through its territory remains the biggest stumbling block.
US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has ruled out paying Pakistan this amount, but officials familiar with the talks say Islamabad's demand is "neither irrational nor out of the blue."
The supplies made to Isaf and Nato forces stationed in Afghanistan have ruined Pakistan's road infrastructure over the last nine years of cooperation, they added.
The infrastructure was used for eight years without paying any charges. In the ninth year, the US started paying a nominal handling fee of $220 per container to National Logistic Cell – the army's logistics arm, officials said. Terming Pakistan's demand as "extortion," Senator John McCain, a former Republican presidential aspirant, had claimed that the US was paying $250 per container to Pakistan.
Why $5,000?
Roads in Pakistan are designed to have a life of ten years but have depreciated significantly since the damage caused by a single container is equivalent to 1,500 to 2,000 cars.
Officials said the National Highway Authority needs $1.6 billion to rebuild the damaged infrastructure and, for this purpose alone, it has proposed a charge of $1,000 per container.
The additional $4,000 includes charges for scanning, inspection and examination of the supplies, charges on account of road safety, environmental impact and port services, they added.
For the last eight-and-a-half years, Pakistan allowed Nato and Isaf containers to leave the ports without scanning them. The Federal Board of Revenue, however, claims it had started scanning the containers but refused to speak on record. Officials said Pakistan will not provide security to the containers.
Comparing with NDN
Even after paying $5,000 per container to Pakistan, the cost of shipping supplies through Pakistani territory will be less than that incurred using the Northern Distribution Network (NDN) – and will take less time.
Each container coming through the NDN to Afghanistan costs $14,000. About 40 to 45% of the NDN comprises sea routes, while the rest is covered through rail and road networks.
The Pakistani route, on the contrary, costs $7,000, since 80 to 85% of the distance is via sea while the rest is through road, officials said.
However, officials say, the US insists the $5,000 per container fee to Pakistan will surge the cost of the route and make it comparable to the NDN. The US has threatened Pakistan that sticking to the demand may put its ties with Nato countries at risk, officials added.
CSF payments
During the recently-concluded technical-level talks, both sides have resolved certain outstanding issues vis-Ã -vis reimbursements under the Coalition Support Fund (CSF). Both sides, however, were reluctant to share details due to the 'hostile' US Congress. Officials said the US was ready to pay CSF payments for the period between May and November 2011.
Some background info on this
Reopening Nato supply: Govt justifies $5,000 fee for shipping containers – The Express Tribune
ISLAMABAD:
As Pakistan and the United States make some headway in bilateral talks, Islamabad's demand for $5,000 per container for transporting goods to Afghanistan through its territory remains the biggest stumbling block.
US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has ruled out paying Pakistan this amount, but officials familiar with the talks say Islamabad's demand is "neither irrational nor out of the blue."
The supplies made to Isaf and Nato forces stationed in Afghanistan have ruined Pakistan's road infrastructure over the last nine years of cooperation, they added.
The infrastructure was used for eight years without paying any charges. In the ninth year, the US started paying a nominal handling fee of $220 per container to National Logistic Cell – the army's logistics arm, officials said. Terming Pakistan's demand as "extortion," Senator John McCain, a former Republican presidential aspirant, had claimed that the US was paying $250 per container to Pakistan.
Why $5,000?
Roads in Pakistan are designed to have a life of ten years but have depreciated significantly since the damage caused by a single container is equivalent to 1,500 to 2,000 cars.
Officials said the National Highway Authority needs $1.6 billion to rebuild the damaged infrastructure and, for this purpose alone, it has proposed a charge of $1,000 per container.
The additional $4,000 includes charges for scanning, inspection and examination of the supplies, charges on account of road safety, environmental impact and port services, they added.
For the last eight-and-a-half years, Pakistan allowed Nato and Isaf containers to leave the ports without scanning them. The Federal Board of Revenue, however, claims it had started scanning the containers but refused to speak on record. Officials said Pakistan will not provide security to the containers.
Comparing with NDN
Even after paying $5,000 per container to Pakistan, the cost of shipping supplies through Pakistani territory will be less than that incurred using the Northern Distribution Network (NDN) – and will take less time.
Each container coming through the NDN to Afghanistan costs $14,000. About 40 to 45% of the NDN comprises sea routes, while the rest is covered through rail and road networks.
The Pakistani route, on the contrary, costs $7,000, since 80 to 85% of the distance is via sea while the rest is through road, officials said.
However, officials say, the US insists the $5,000 per container fee to Pakistan will surge the cost of the route and make it comparable to the NDN. The US has threatened Pakistan that sticking to the demand may put its ties with Nato countries at risk, officials added.
CSF payments
During the recently-concluded technical-level talks, both sides have resolved certain outstanding issues vis-Ã -vis reimbursements under the Coalition Support Fund (CSF). Both sides, however, were reluctant to share details due to the 'hostile' US Congress. Officials said the US was ready to pay CSF payments for the period between May and November 2011.
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Re: Pakistan seeks transit fee for each NATO tanker
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US agrees to pay Pakistan $1.18b of Coalition Support Fund arrears
June 04--WASHINGTON (Dawn/ANN) -- The United States has agreed to reimburse US$1.18 billion or almost 75 per cent of the claims Pakistan has submitted for the expenses incurred in the fight against militants along the Afghan border, diplomatic sources told Dawn.
The money comes from the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), which is used for reimbursing Pakistan and other US allies helping it in the war against terror.
The approval shows that despite increased tensions, the US financial assistance to Pakistan has continued although it is becoming increasingly difficult to get congressional support for helping Pakistan.
Last week, Pakistan's Ambassador Sherry Rehman and her team succeeded in persuading Congressman David Dreier, Chairman of the House Rules Committee, to drop an amendment that would have made it difficult to continue to provide financial assistance to Pakistan.
Moved by Congressman Ted Poe, the amendment sought a blanket ban on providing financial assistance to Pakistan from the funds earmarked for the next fiscal year.
But this success brings only a temporary relief for Ambassador Rehman and her team as this week they will have to deal with yet another amendment. Congressman Ron Paul, who has moved the amendment, is leading the effort to strip Pakistan of all American aid funds until they release Dr Shakil Afridi who helped the CIA trace Al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden.
"I think we need to negotiate from a position of strength," Congressman Paul told Fox News.
"I don't think the administration is standing up to Pakistan -- giving them a billion dollars and saying please let him go instead of saying "you don't get a penny until you let him go". That's the way I'd deal with them."
And the Pakistani team fears that such moves will intensify on Monday when US lawmakers and officials return to work and are asked to react to a Pakistani court's decision to acquit four accomplices of the Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad.
"These are very difficult days for Pakistani diplomats and lobbyists in Washington," observed one of the lobbyists who did not want to be identified.
"To be Pakistan's ambassador in Washington now is like being the Pakistani ambassador in Moscow in the 1980s when Pakistan was helping the Mujahideen fight the Russians."
But on Sunday, Pakistani diplomats seemed happy with the approval of 75 per cent of the CSF claims.
"They usually pay 75 per cent of the claims we put up, so $1.18 billion is the deal," said a diplomat.
Also, the US and Pakistani teams engaged in resolving the Nato routes dispute have continued their talks as well. On Saturday, US Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Nides spoke with Finance Minister Hafeez Shaikh, their second conversation in less than a week.
Nides, although based in Washington, is leading the US effort for reopening the routes Pakistan closed in November last year when a US air raid killed 24 of its soldiers. Shaikh is leading the Pakistani team.
Also, a senior Pentagon official, Assistant Defence Secretary Peter Leovy, is returning to Islamabad this week to lead the talks.
US agrees to pay Pakistan $1.18b of Coalition Support Fund arrears
June 04--WASHINGTON (Dawn/ANN) -- The United States has agreed to reimburse US$1.18 billion or almost 75 per cent of the claims Pakistan has submitted for the expenses incurred in the fight against militants along the Afghan border, diplomatic sources told Dawn.
The money comes from the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), which is used for reimbursing Pakistan and other US allies helping it in the war against terror.
The approval shows that despite increased tensions, the US financial assistance to Pakistan has continued although it is becoming increasingly difficult to get congressional support for helping Pakistan.
Last week, Pakistan's Ambassador Sherry Rehman and her team succeeded in persuading Congressman David Dreier, Chairman of the House Rules Committee, to drop an amendment that would have made it difficult to continue to provide financial assistance to Pakistan.
Moved by Congressman Ted Poe, the amendment sought a blanket ban on providing financial assistance to Pakistan from the funds earmarked for the next fiscal year.
But this success brings only a temporary relief for Ambassador Rehman and her team as this week they will have to deal with yet another amendment. Congressman Ron Paul, who has moved the amendment, is leading the effort to strip Pakistan of all American aid funds until they release Dr Shakil Afridi who helped the CIA trace Al Qaeda founder Osama bin Laden.
"I think we need to negotiate from a position of strength," Congressman Paul told Fox News.
"I don't think the administration is standing up to Pakistan -- giving them a billion dollars and saying please let him go instead of saying "you don't get a penny until you let him go". That's the way I'd deal with them."
And the Pakistani team fears that such moves will intensify on Monday when US lawmakers and officials return to work and are asked to react to a Pakistani court's decision to acquit four accomplices of the Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad.
"These are very difficult days for Pakistani diplomats and lobbyists in Washington," observed one of the lobbyists who did not want to be identified.
"To be Pakistan's ambassador in Washington now is like being the Pakistani ambassador in Moscow in the 1980s when Pakistan was helping the Mujahideen fight the Russians."
But on Sunday, Pakistani diplomats seemed happy with the approval of 75 per cent of the CSF claims.
"They usually pay 75 per cent of the claims we put up, so $1.18 billion is the deal," said a diplomat.
Also, the US and Pakistani teams engaged in resolving the Nato routes dispute have continued their talks as well. On Saturday, US Deputy Secretary of State Thomas Nides spoke with Finance Minister Hafeez Shaikh, their second conversation in less than a week.
Nides, although based in Washington, is leading the US effort for reopening the routes Pakistan closed in November last year when a US air raid killed 24 of its soldiers. Shaikh is leading the Pakistani team.
Also, a senior Pentagon official, Assistant Defence Secretary Peter Leovy, is returning to Islamabad this week to lead the talks.
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Re: Pakistan seeks transit fee for each NATO tanker
A small speculation on Pakistan finding it hard to make the 4b usd payment to IMF, and the Pakistani rupee fell from 90 to a near 94 to a dollar, imagine if they really start finding it hard to make those repayments, and the west, and their Arab allies also turn off the taps on remittances.
Pakistani ruling elite knows all too well, they cant prolong it any further, as a matter of fact, the blockade was Pakistan's last refuge, and is not yielding them any results now, they are being pounded by the drones on pretty much daily basis now, and the little bargaining power they had, has vanished.
1800-2000 usd seems a compromise figure. Pakistan proposes, US disposes!
2000 usd should translate to 365million usd/year.
A small speculation on Pakistan finding it hard to make the 4b usd payment to IMF, and the Pakistani rupee fell from 90 to a near 94 to a dollar, imagine if they really start finding it hard to make those repayments, and the west, and their Arab allies also turn off the taps on remittances.
Pakistani ruling elite knows all too well, they cant prolong it any further, as a matter of fact, the blockade was Pakistan's last refuge, and is not yielding them any results now, they are being pounded by the drones on pretty much daily basis now, and the little bargaining power they had, has vanished.
1800-2000 usd seems a compromise figure. Pakistan proposes, US disposes!
2000 usd should translate to 365million usd/year.
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