Pakistan Army/ISI = Al-Qaeda??

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  1. Daredevil

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    Pakistan Army/ISI = Al-Qaeda??

    This is the view according to the book "Terrorists in Love : The Real Lives of Islamic Radicals" written by former former federal prosecutor Ken Ballen.

    Here is a transcript of his interview on National Public Radio (NPR) aired on 5th October


     
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    And yes, this cartoon which was drawn several years ago depicts the current reality that Pakistan Army/ISI are the Al-qaeda.

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    :shocked: :shocked:

    These guys need to be taken out.
     
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    Pakistan must choose: Halt terror, or else

    Pakistan must choose: Halt terror, or else

    Thu, Oct. 6, 2011

    This week marks the 10th anniversary of the war in Afghanistan. U.S. troops are starting to leave. And NATO is supposed to turn over security responsibility to Afghans by the end of 2014 - although the Afghan army is far from ready to counter Taliban violence.

    Yet the most potent threat to Afghanistan - and to U.S. plans to withdraw troops - doesn't come from the Taliban. It comes from our supposed ally the Pakistani military - which gives the Taliban the means to fight on.
    This dirty secret burst into the open last month, when the departing chairman of the Joint Chiefs, Adm. Mike Mullen, called Pakistan's bluff in testimony before Congress.

    Mullen had tried for years, with occasional success, to privately persuade his Pakistani counterparts to shift gears. But his patience wore thin after Osama bin Laden was found in a Pakistani garrison town and the Pakistani military denied all knowledge of his presence. Mullen lost all patience after the Taliban's Haqqani network targeted U.S. diplomats and soldiers in several attacks. U.S. officials believe Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) signed off on those attacks.

    Mullen was not speaking on his own when he suggested that, as some reports claim; his testimony was shared with the National Security Council and the State Department before he gave it. And his charges were echoed by Secretary of Defense Leon E. Panetta, who testified at his side.

    Mullen's harsh words reflected widespread recognition within the administration that Pakistan's dissembling can no longer be tolerated. But officials are still debating whether the Pakistani military can be pressured to change direction. The Obama team will need to think strategically about how to apply the squeeze.

    One man with good ideas on the subject is Peter Tomsen, a career diplomat who served as special U.S. envoy to the Afghan resistance from 1989 to 1992. Tomsen has just written a fascinating tome, The Wars of Afghanistan, that describes how the ISI funneled U.S. and Saudi money to the most radical Afghan Islamist groups during the 1980s struggle against the Soviets, and how it backed the ascension of the Taliban to power in 1996. Tomsen also details how the ISI consistently undermined the rise of more moderate Afghan leaders.

    All too often, the CIA endorsed ISI misdeeds. But, given current ISI support for terrorist groups that threaten the United States, that relationship has also soured.

    "The Taliban is very dependent on Pakistan for money, training, and weapons, without which they would vanish," Tomsen said. He said the ISI was trying to use the Taliban "to create a friendly government in Kabul that is dependent on Pakistan" and will be hostile to its archenemy, India, once the Americans have gone home.

    This strategy is delusional and could backfire on Pakistan. Key Afghan Taliban groups such as the Haqqani network have links to Pakistani extremists who are fighting the Pakistani army and threaten the state.

    Moreover, continued ISI support for the Taliban could trigger a new civil war in Afghanistan that boomerangs on Pakistan. Tomsen says the ISI, which he lumps in with other foreign invaders of Afghanistan, will be unable to control Kabul via proxies. Yet he thinks the ISI will take the risk, preferring an Afghanistan "in perpetual war, so long as India can't get control."

    So what's to be done? Here are Tomsen's suggestions:

    Put the Haqqani network on the terrorist list for its bloody attacks on Afghan civilians.
    Threaten to put Pakistan on the U.S. list of state sponsors of terror, which would mean U.S. and possibly European sanctions.

    Make military aid contingent on real Pakistani cooperation against terrorists. (Tomsen is more reluctant for now to cut civilian aid, since Pakistan's weak civilian government is not party to ISI machinations.)

    Give up illusions about talks with the Taliban. Pakistan has made clear that it will undermine such talks, unless they put its proxies in power; the ISI may have been behind the recent murder of Afghanistan's chief negotiator with the Taliban.

    Rally Afghanistan's neighbors and other global powers concerned about Afghan chaos to pressure Islamabad. That includes India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and China - which may sell Pakistan weapons but will not be the sugar daddy Pakistan hopes for.

    Don't send ground forces into Pakistan. It's too risky and could be counterproductive.
    "Our goal is to get Pakistan to change voluntarily," Tomsen said.

    But the administration's message should be clear. Pakistan must choose: Halt terrorism by groups under its sway or face diplomatic isolation, with stark economic consequences. If Pakistan's military and the ISI continue to back extremists who kill Americans, they become America's enemy - with all the consequences that entails.

    Worldview: Pakistan must choose: Halt terror, or else | Philadelphia Inquirer | 10/06/2011
     
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    The editor of RupeeNews commented on this article.


     
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    true, and good its being talked about somewhere now, the most important is this be put across to the american voter, for now, its pakistan backstabbing but not america indirectly funding the very terrorists who then attack the americans/american interests. message needs to go across, and then the repercussions be seen by way of cutting off all the aid and find ways to cut down on loans and place them under sanctions.

    PA/ISI = group that owns pretty much most of terror entities found in this world, they are their subsidiaries. financed, motivated, trained, ideology, given political and diplomatic patronage, it all traces back to those crooks.
     
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    mush in usa called haqqani "haqqani sahab". if this is the cosyness between pak army and terror group then the above headline is true.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Lol !! funniest ever yet truest ever cartoon i have ever seen :pound:
     

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