Pakistan Air Force Says It Will Overtake IAF.

[Zebra]

they might overtake with more no of serving f7 and mirage3/5 at place.

in the end paf will be having jf-17 j-10 and f-16 (if things goes the way they are going, usa will help India against f-16 not because of friendship but to teach pakistan a lesson for its dual faced policy in afghanistan.)
first let them complete the induction of 250 or so jf-17 at first place then comes j-10.
already talks are on to invest more on j-10 than jf-17 so i guess the no could be capped at 150 if they want to increase j-10 no to 200( agreeing pakistan will definitely go for 150 j-10).

this is compared with India Air Force 270 su-30 mki, 126 rafale and yet to come tejas, pak/fa and upgraded mirage and mig-29s.

even if we take out other planes from race is upgraded and under development fighters from iaf and f-16s from paf then we will be having 400 paf fighters(250 jf17 and 150 j10) against nearly 400(270 su30mki and 126 rafale) fighters of iaf.

now intelligent people can understand who stands a chance and who doesnt

Jaguars ?

 

[Apollyon]

even if we take out other planes from race is upgraded and under development fighters from iaf and f-16s from paf then we will be having 400 paf fighters(250 jf17 and 150 j10) against nearly 400(270 su30mki and 126 rafale) fighters of iaf.

Your analysis is flawed Sir ... they have a confirmed order of 36 J-10's delivery to be commenced by 2014 ... from where does the figure of 150 comes from .... !!

 

[arkem8]

Your analysis is flawed Sir ... they have a confirmed order of 36 J-10's delivery to be commenced by 2014 ... from where does the figure of 150 comes from .... !!

He pulled that figure from the same place the Pakis pull it.....(....)*(....)

 

[Apollyon]

He pulled that figure from the same place the Pakis pull it.....(....)*(....)

He was being sarcastic ... ...

 

[arkem8]

He was being sarcastic ... ...

Really!! Just one post earlier you did not seem to think so....:cool2:

Your analysis is flawed Sir ... they have a confirmed order of 36 J-10's delivery to be commenced by 2014 ... from where does the figure of 150 comes from .... !!

Those numbers he threw around are approximately the same the Paki Air Force seem to be talking about..

 

[arya]

whats wrong they are saying we are good on papers every one know that

we should give thanks to china and Pakistan not to attack on us

its hard but truth

 

[agentperry]

Your analysis is flawed Sir ... they have a confirmed order of 36 J-10's delivery to be commenced by 2014 ... from where does the figure of 150 comes from .... !!

they are supposed to buy 150 j10. the batch of 26 j10 could be the initial batch. 2 squadrons. moreover looking at past we can say that paf always bought chinese planes in decent nos and that too always in batches.
14 jf17 were also supplied to pakistan for free.
so its not only father usa giving them free f-16s but also mother china is supplying them free jets. im sure paf will get much of those jf-17 for free and get j10 on concessional price.
i think the pace with which chinese and pakistanis are producing jf17 they will be able to replce all the a5, j7 with jf17 by 2018-19.
and they might also get 100 j10 by that time only.

one should also look at the rate at which china is producing j11 and other sukhoi derivatives. they will be going after them also in good no and after the induction of j20 they wont be requiring j10 so possible transfer of plaaf j10s(j10A) is possible

 

[agentperry]

Care to explain how they will pay for ~250 J-17(with Russian engines and French(??) avionics mind you LOL!!) and 150(where that figure came from God knows!!) J-10's...
The bill will run upto several 10's of billions + maintainance....

Pakis have no money to buy 30 jf 17's never mind all the other rubbish...

I guess they will also go for 50 Scorpenes, 500 Leclerc's, 500 Leopard2A6's, 50 Il78's, 2000 F-16's, 500 F-35's...

Wow Those stupid and poor Indians stand no chance huh??

follow pakistan defence planning and strategic planning.

 

[nrj]

Pakis don't even know if B2s were flying over their head when they issued this statement

 

[arkem8]

they are supposed to buy 150 j10. the batch of 26 j10 could be the initial batch. 2 squadrons. moreover looking at past we can say that paf always bought chinese planes in decent nos and that too always in batches.
14 jf17 were also supplied to pakistan for free.
so its not only father usa giving them free f-16s but also mother china is supplying them free jets. im sure paf will get much of those jf-17 for free and get j10 on concessional price.
i think the pace with which chinese and pakistanis are producing jf17 they will be able to replce all the a5, j7 with jf17 by 2018-19.
and they might also get 100 j10 by that time only.

2 things:-
1. The rate required to replace all those kataras is ~20 fighters per annum, not going to happen even with soopar-perfect Paki financial condition
The engines.
2. The engines are Russian so the cost of 200+ engines alone will exceed the Paki 5 year defence budget.

one should also look at the rate at which china is producing j11 and other sukhoi derivatives. they will be going after them also in good no and after the induction of j20 they wont be requiring j10 so possible transfer of plaaf j10s(j10A) is possible

Speculation and little else, shows how little you know about defence aquisitions.

follow pakistan defence planning and strategic planning.

Use common sense to separate fact from delusional Paki fiction, what next 1,00,000 ton Paki Navy super Carriers....??


P.S China still buys Russian engines for all major fighters including the J-11, so much for soopar-doopar production capabilities..

 

[blueblood]

they are supposed to buy 150 j10. the batch of 26 j10 could be the initial batch. 2 squadrons. moreover looking at past we can say that paf always bought chinese planes in decent nos and that too always in batches.
14 jf17 were also supplied to pakistan for free.
so its not only father usa giving them free f-16s but also mother china is supplying them free jets. im sure paf will get much of those jf-17 for free and get j10 on concessional price.
i think the pace with which chinese and pakistanis are producing jf17 they will be able to replce all the a5, j7 with jf17 by 2018-19.
and they might also get 100 j10 by that time only.

one should also look at the rate at which china is producing j11 and other sukhoi derivatives. they will be going after them also in good no and after the induction of j20 they wont be requiring j10 so possible transfer of plaaf j10s(j10A) is possible

First of all, PAF planned (dreamt) of 150 J-10s when Mushy was the President and aid inflow was consistent. With their current economic and political turmoil, I'd be surprised if they complete the production run of Thunder.

Second, who told you that PLAAF won't be needing J-10 after the induction of J-20. They still have more than 350 Mig-21 and ~ 100 Q-5 and other models which are to replaced. If you think they'll be inducting 500 J-20, it's simply foolish.

 

[arkem8]

Everyone Wants A Piece Of The RD93

The article dated 2009 says each RD93 comes for a cool 2.5 million USD
2.5 X 10^6 X (200)jets=500,000,000

Lets see now only the cost of the engines is 500 million in 2009, not counting maintenance, training and spares..LOL

The avionics are French... wonder how that will turn out after the MMRCA decision.

 

[agentperry]

paf got hundreds of j7 j6 and a5 in the midst of sanction and ignorance from usa(their earlier masters/funders)

though at one time i had thought of inability of pakistan to buy so many jf17s and j10s but they are getting jf17s unabated. french avionics for jf17 is gone case even before mmrca decision going for rafale.

paf is now going for same version of jf17 with chinese avionics and russian engine.

one need to see paf got 14 jf17 for free. this is big thing. right now paf has around 20-25 jf17 half of them are for free.
j10 induction is more of speculation but jf17 nos are pretty much a reality if not 250 then 150.

paf has to retire j7 a5 and mirage 3/5. that is nearly the entire paf fleet for now.

they have nothing else but jf17 and j10A. jf17 is surely their bet. they may eat grass but they will buy enough no of junk fighters.

 

[Satybharat]

Its been historical truth that PAF ,despite small force as compared to IAF ,has always overwhelmed IAF and browbeaten it.and taday also it can do so 9 out of 10 times.

Good dream for you to get wet in night

 

[sayareakd]

Can some one post the modern fighter list of PAF, Generation wise if possible and how many of them are BVR capable and range of their BVR, that will be ultimate standard to judge them.

 

[Satybharat]

paf got hundreds of j7 j6 and a5 in the midst of sanction and ignorance from usa(their earlier masters/funders)

though at one time i had thought of inability of pakistan to buy so many jf17s and j10s but they are getting jf17s unabated. french avionics for jf17 is gone case even before mmrca decision going for rafale.

paf is now going for same version of jf17 with chinese avionics and russian engine.

one need to see paf got 14 jf17 for free. this is big thing. right now paf has around 20-25 jf17 half of them are for free.
j10 induction is more of speculation but jf17 nos are pretty much a reality if not 250 then 150.

paf has to retire j7 a5 and mirage 3/5. that is nearly the entire paf fleet for now.

they have nothing else but jf17 and j10A. jf17 is surely their bet. they may eat grass but they will buy enough no of junk fighters.

Shall we call PAFF - Pakistan Air free force..

 

[agentperry]

Shall we call PAFF - Pakistan Air free force..

any doubt. since inception they are getting everything free, spoon fed since independence first by british then by american then by americans and chinese both and now preferentially by chinese.

 

[Satybharat]

PAF may right on this matter....but who cares in india, country with $40 bn defence budget are not in condition to face $6 bn army but who cares........

$6 bn...did you count free goodies and hidden quota...it will become $15 bn

 

[agentperry]

$6 bn...did you count free goodies and hidden quota...it will become $15 bn

like us they also need spares but unlike us they have sponsors

 

[Satybharat]

any doubt. since inception they are getting everything free, spoon fed since independence first by british then by american then by americans and chinese both and now preferentially by chinese.

They are historically beggers