Pakistan- A Failed Experiment !!!

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Pakistan- A Failed Experiment !!!

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  1. Ind4Ever

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    Pakistan- A Failed Experiment !!!

    India :"To say such things to others is laughable. Pakistan should first think of how to tackle terrorism in their own country. They are nurturing terrorists in their country. Pakistan is a terrorist sponsoring country," BJP spokesperson Sambit Patra told ANI.

    This comes after General Sharif had said that Islamabad has been willing to cooperate with other nations for peace but not at the cost of national interest, sovereign rights and national pride."We are ready to pay any price to protect our nationhood and safeguard Pakistan's interests, be it Kashmir, development of new ports or exploitation of natural resources," the Dawn quoted him as saying.

    Introduction :

    [​IMG]Muhammad Ali Jinnah with Mohandas Gandhi in Bombay, September 1944.

    IRONIC : “You are free. You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan,” Jinnah declared. “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state.” Pakistan's first FAKE promise !!!

    As British rule there drew to an end, many Muslims demanded, in the name of Islam, the creation of a separate Pakistan state. Its emergence in August 1947 remains one of the major political achievements of modern Muslim history.it is clear that Ideology of Pakistan is an Islamic one

    The idea behind the momentum that gave birth to Pakistan was Muslim Nationalism.
    One section of Pakistanis considers it as an idea that was to evolve and shape Pakistan into a modern and progressive Muslim-majority society and state.

    The other section sees it as an idea that was to grow and lay the foundation of a unique Islamic state; or a strong theocratic island in a sea of western ideas and of the ‘pseudo-secularism’ of Hindu-dominated India.

    Though the state and governments of Pakistan have for long attempted to find a middle-ground in this context, such a ground has increasingly shifted towards the rightist sides of the existentialist divide.

    This shift is lamented by those who explain it as the gradual retardation of the idea of Muslim Nationalism. Their opponents on the other hand have welcomed this swing to the right, explaining it as the natural direction Muslim Nationalism was destined to take.

    According to eminent Pakistani historian, Dr Mubarek Ali, when Muslim rule began to collapse in India, many prominent Muslim thinkers became alarmingly conscious of the minority status of the Muslims in the region.Dr Ali adds that it was at this point that Muslim thinkers and reformers began to overtly talk about the ummah, suggesting that they were a part of the global Muslim community. The idea of this Muslim Nationalism was mainly to reinvent the region’s Muslims from being the degraded left-overs of a fallen empire into becoming a resourceful, enlightened, and above all a separate cultural entity of India. Then the State called Pakistan was created . But where is Pakistan today ? As the experiment gone wrong ?


    Sectarian conflict: So Pakistan is not for Muslims also ?

    Sectarian bombing? In Pakistan that is not news, that is normal. Pakistan, people will say, is on the way to becoming a failed state. After all, if the state exists to protect its citizens. Conflicts between the Islamic Republic's Sunni Deobandi and Shiite Muslim groups have increased in brutality, frequency and mortality over the past several years. According to a Middle East Institute (MEI) report, approximately 2,300 people have died in the country's four main provinces and some 1,500 people have lost their lives in the tribal area of the Kurram Agency since 2007. Prominent members of both the Sunni and Shiite groups have fallen victim to the violence in nearly every main city in Pakistan. Arif Rafiq, Pakistan analyst and author of the MEI report, talks about the reasons behind the sectarian conflict. The expert argues that while sectarianism has become mainstreamed in nearly all regions of Pakistan, the country is far from being divided on sectarian lines in the way Iraq and Syria have been.

    A number of analysts trace the origins of sectarian violence in Pakistan to the Afghan War of the 1980s. They say that Pakistan's former military dictator Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq made it a state policy to fund and arm extremist Wahhabi groups in the 1980s, using these organizations against the Shiites to curb Iran's support in Pakistan and to increase Islamabad's influence in Afghanistan.

    Experts say the latest round of sectarian violence in the country is merely a continuation of the targeting of Shiite Muslims by various militant groups such as Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Tehreek-e Taliban Pakistan, who are mainly from the Wahhabi sub-sect known as the Deobandis.

    "It's therefore important that we identify this as not a Sunni-Shiite conflict, but a conflict between Sunni Deobandi and Shiite Muslims - with Shiite civilians bearing the brunt of the violence," said Arif Rafiq, Pakistan expert and president of Vizier Consulting, which provides strategic guidance on Middle East and South Asian political and security issues.

    TERRORISM thriving in Pakistan :

    Chart shows the total number of deaths in Pakistan since 2003 on monthly basis. The rise of fatalities through 2007 called for operation Rah-e-Nijat in South Waziristan area in 2009. The operation has not brought the end of trend in fatalities, citing to the reason the terrorists are still using North Waziristan as their hatcheries. Government has been reluctant to go for operation in other parts of Pakistan where the terrorists are operating because of the fallout to normal public living there along with other reasons.

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    Chart: Trend of Terrorism related Deaths in Pakistan

    If YOU (person who reading this) are from normal civil society just think for a second .If you are in pakistan with your kids ,family friends and run a same bussiness or work you do in your every day life.

    Fatalities in Terrorist Violence in Pakistan 2003-2015
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    Civilians-Security Force Personnel-Terrorists/Insurgents

    2003 -189
    2004 - 863
    2005 - 648
    2006 - 1471
    2007 - 3598
    2008 - 6715
    2009 - 11704
    2010 - 7435
    2011 - 6303
    2012 - 6211
    2013 - 5379
    2014 - 5496
    2015 - 1919
    Total* -57931
    *Data till June 7, 2015

    Fidayeen (Suicide Squad) Attacks in Pakistan
    Suicide Attacks in Pakistan: 2002-2015 was :13072

    Pakistan’s army is waging a war against Islamist extremist groups like Operation Zarb-e-Azb the Pakistani Taliban The BAD terrorist - but terrorists are still able to strike more-or-less at will.Because GOOD terrorists those who kills Hindus and Muslims in India are given free run with State honor as "ASSETS". How can a country want to eradicate cancer allow the cancer to grow in some part its nation ?

    Human rights groups say the Pakistani government has largely failed to stem the tide of sectarian violence, despite its efforts to prevent the killings of Shiites.

    The federal and provincial security forces provide security for Shiite processions, close off the border to prevent attacks during Shiite holy days, and have killed and arrested LeJ terrorists, analyst Rafiq told DW. "But at the same time, as one hand of the Pakistani state fights the terrorists, the other hand engages in deals with their political affiliates, such as the Ahl-e Sunnat Wal Jammat (ASWJ) group," he added.

    Some activists also accuse the country's powerful security establishment of backing Sunni militants and failing to protect the minority groups.

    "The Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which allegedly receives support from units of Pakistani intelligence agencies, has accepted responsibility for most attacks on Shiites in the recent past," said Malik Siraj Akbar, a Balochistan expert in Washington.

    "The organization is closely connected to the Afghan Taliban and has renewed connections with Jundullah, the anti-Iran Sunni militant group. All these groups share abhorrence for the Shiites," he said.

    London-based Pakistani journalist and scholar Amin Mughal said that the policy of supporting Islamist groups had backfired and that the Pakistani state was no longer in a position to control the situation.

    "It is a logical consequence of state policies which are based on religion," Mughal told DW, adding that the only way out of the crisis was for "true secular parties" to come to power and change the course of state affairs.

    This is Pakistan which challenge India. Want to stop India from achieving its goal - To become a super power nation. The idea behind the momentum that gave birth to Pakistan was Muslim Nationalism and Land of Pure What happend to that ? . Why UAE and Pakistan heading towards opposite direction? Some intellectual from pakistan on DFI will say that UAE follows worst form of Islam ? So does millions of Indian Muslims who are thriving and when Pakistan is imploding ?

    A Failed State that Never failed to fail :

    Since 2001, the United States has tried virtually every strategy available to persuade Pakistan's army to take the threat of militancy more seriously, but 12 years and $28 billion in aid later, all the American approaches are widely viewed as having failed. But now latest attempt is been carried out by China with 40 billion USD in the same line of American once tried and failed.Not only that ended up being BACK STABBED !!!

    During the recent visit of the Prime Minister of India to China , Indian govt termed investments in PoK is unacceptable by Republic of India. But the Chinese govt has said the same LINE Americans used with India " Funds to keep Pakistan from becoming a Failed State " But will it work ?

    The Washington based National Intelligence Council (NIC) in its Global Trends report (December 2012) “predicts” that 15 countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East will become “failed states” by 2030, due to their “potential for conflict and environmental ills”.

    The list of countries in the 2012 NIC report includes Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Chad, Niger, Nigeria, Mali, Kenya, Burundi, Ethiopia, Rwanda, Somalia, DR Congo, Malawi, Haiti, Yemen.

    IF AT ALL INTENT WAS TO SAVE ITS PEOPLE ? Or its just an act and drama to persuade people of Pakistan who lost hope and Super powers of the world now pointing their guns towards Pakistan to eradicate terrorism ?

    There must be an answer which i don't get !!!

    “You are free. You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan,” Jinnah declared. “You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state.” Pakistan's first FAKE promise !!!

    Yes : Pakistan- A Failed Experiment !!!
     
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  3. Sakal Gharelu Ustad

    Sakal Gharelu Ustad Detests Jholawalas Moderator

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    It is failed. That is why it lost half of itself already.
     
  4. Rowdy

    Rowdy Co ja kurwa czytam! Senior Member

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    Pakistan is a bitter medicine .... it protects us from Taliban, ISIS, Iranian Mullahs etc and attracts the worst attention of hegemons like US and China. It also took out the secular community so we can live in (relative) peace. Due to its sponsored terrorism, we have a well trained army and intelligence , that most indians would have neglected had we lived in peace.

    I love Pakistan.:india:
     
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    It is good for India in some way but that does not help it pass. It is still a failure.
     
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    Who cares..... :lol: as long as those terrorists dont come to India ... and I think modi has created enough bad blood to maintain a gap ..... We will be safe. Once economic gap is achieved , the average citizen will, through greed stop demanding grater interation with Pak.
     
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    Yes, Pakistan is a failed experiment.
    Why?
    It's because Pakistan was made because Majority of muslims of India thought they can't live with the hindus. In 1971 majority of those muslims thought they can't live with pakistanis and hence bangladesh was carved out from pakistan.
    Two nation theory got failed with the fall of Dhaka.
     
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    Yes it's failed experiment or state because it's Allah only biggest mistake in his own life
     

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