Pak wants China rail link through PoK

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QUOTE=Pakistani Nationalist;316182]Yeah send several billion $$ when economy is in a bad shape.

Abt breaking Pakistan..... we know what happened in vietnam,iraq n afghanistan which had ill equiped rag taged militias n populations thesize of sindh or even lower.

lol......... wet dream of an indian.


Abt osama ... even the american hot shots have stated tht Pakistan didnt know abt him.... forget ur rants abt military protection.

If we had protected him... he wouldnt have been found.
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nice cartoon pic.
 

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look at this map for future of Pakistan,of course Indians will celebrate and support it.This is from NY Times an AMERICAN newspaper for your madressa education Money is not an issue for a quick fix.



Maybe in ur ashram they didnt teach u how to read.... this map was made by a major n caused controversy showing almost all muslim countries losing territory.


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Almost all Muslim countries losing territory? I see Afghanistan, predominantly Muslim, gaining territory. Also, the Baloch nation, predominantly Muslim, are also gaining their own sovereign territory. Pakistan and Iran lose here. How is that almost all? Please have a look at the map again.
 

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It is a part of China's grand strategy of making Central, West and South Asia its sphere of influence, for those regions are ideal markets for China-produced goods and have the resources China needs to meet future economic development.

The rail leading to Pakistan, Iran, Turkey etc is a must and wil be built one way or another in time.

While the US is busy shifting its resources, mainly military, to East Asia, China is increasingly looking forward to the vast Eurasia landmass and expand west to reach the Caspian Sea, the Black sea, the Mediterrean and beyond.

Let the game begin.
Who will take responsibility for the safety of those railway lines. The areas in which these lines going through or will go through is lawless. it takes only small bomb to rip apart the lines.:sad::sad::sad::sad:
 

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Pakistan allowing China free access into POK is to ensure the Chinese presence in POK as a deterrent to India.

Improving the KKH and adding the rail and gas and oil pipeline is of importance to China since it will allow direct access to Gwadar port from which it can pump in fuel explored in the African seabed as also that from Persian Gulf countries.

The access to Gwadar will also allow China to ferry other goods to China like minerals that are being hunted around in the Indian Ocean.

Pakistan requires China since it will pay transit fee and it will help Pakistan fledging economy.

This is also an interesting situation for India.

It negates all the hot air that China has been propounding over the oil exploration that India is to due in the South China Sea, wherein China has told India not to do so because the Sea is 'disputed'.

It lays China's double standards exposed. Going through POK is kosher, but India exploring in the South China Sea in Vietnamese territory is not correct and is an 'unfriendly' act.

The US will surely be delighted that China should explore in Afghanistan. It will keep a cap on the Taliban terrorists since Pakistan will not allow them to attack Chinese interests, and if the Taliban does attack, then Pakistan will be up a gum tree and the Chinese will lose big money that they have invested and which is destroyed by the fundamentalists.

There should be greater access between Pakistan and Xinjiang, and the KKH and the rail are a boon. The Taliban will be able to spread their wings easier into Xinjiang and let us see if the Chinese can then force the Uighur Muslims to eat during the day during Ramzan as they are making the Muslims do now!! It will also be a nuisance to the Chinese who do not allow children below 18 to undertake Islamic instructions. Like the secret Churches that have sprouted in China (Home Church), there will be Home Madrassas, secretly run. Christians can be controlled, but not Muslim who have a greater religious zeal and they brook no nonsense!

The more the Chinese come into POK, the better. Like in Africa, they will take over the commerce and there will be rifts as it is happening in Africa!
 
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I say let them build this rail lines. This will be the future main transporter of jihadists to China.
 

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Guys - do you not understand the significance of the rail line from China's point of view?

1. The rail link with Gwadar port will let oil and other natural resources flow from the Arabian Sea to go right to China's remote Western provinces - it will cause an economic expansion in that region which otherwise will take hundreds of Billions of dollars from PRC.
2. The rail link will also let goods from China flow to the middle wast much more easily and cheaper - making profits soar for Chinese companies and CCP.
3. It will also help in rapid transport of military assets in the future - both to defend Chinese interests in the middle east and south Asia as well as to support Pakistan.
4. It will take away a lot of strategic advantage India has in a naval base at Andaman, since the Malacca Straits will NOT remain the sole route for oil transport to China.
5. If the PLAN is smart, they can even develop and deploy secret naval vessels in Gwadar - small ships can be built and commissioned in Gwadar by bringing in the parts and weapons using the rail link.
6. The rail link will also bring Chinese influence in the tribal areas of Pakistan, thereby ensuring that the tribal warriors can be bought up/ influenced/ controlled by PRC in the future.

So, what plans do India have to counter this?

The potential downside for PRC is only two -

1. Pakistani trained terrorists can get to China - but it is already happening at a smaller scale - this rail link may just speed it up.
2. The economic advantages of the Western Chinese provinces maybe held hostage by other powers (Pakistan itself, Afghanistan, Tribal warlords etc) in the future.
 

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If USA can spend 4 trillion +on 2 wars this is nothing. If USA does not like this they will just break up Pakistan and end these Chinese pipe dreams.Do you think USA is not capable of doing this?? Just remember how we got Osama even with your military protecting him.

If US can do, they will not wait. LOL
 

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They are at it.

Extract from the Pakistan newspaper The Nation.

Rejecting new US Consulates

By Farooq Hameed Khan | Published: August 20, 2011

The American efforts to gain a permanent foothold in Balochistan and South Punjab by establishing Consulates in Quetta and Multan suffered a serious blow after the opposition from Pakistani security establishment, especially after the Raymond Davis and Abbottabad episodes. Reportedly, the Foreign Office denied the US to open these new Consulates. Meanwhile, US Ambassador Cameron Munter's recent declaration that "Balochistan was very significant for the United States", reveals the superpower's intentions when viewed in the context of its obsession to open up the new Quetta Consulate.

n early 2010, US Ambassador Anne Patterson had cited two main reasons for the Quetta Consulate: To oversee the development activities carried out by the Americans in Balochistan, and ensure a close liaison with the Baloch people for speedy visa facility, instead of dealing with US Consulates in Karachi and Islamabad. Pakistanis, however, view these as a cover for greater sinister US designs in the province.
However, Ambassador Munter is not willing to give up so easily. He recently visited Quetta, where he met with Balochistan's Chief Minister and Assembly Speaker to lobby for the Consulate, which was obviously not agreed to. ......

The question is: Why is the US Consulate in Quetta considered to be against Pakistan's security interests? Probably, because this would serve as a launching pad for greater American interference in Balochistan's affairs to further American interests in the region. It is feared that US security personnel are likely to intensify their clandestine activities and further fuel the insurgency in the province in coordination with the RAW sponsored Baloch militant groups.

A recent media report quoting top level sources in our Foreign Ministry is significant: "In fact, we have received a lot of secret correspondence by security agencies about the CIA operatives' involvement in a number of nefarious plots against Pakistan. This is the reason we refused them establishment of new consulates."

The US has clear strategic interests in mineral-rich Balochistan, which provides a regional trade and energy corridor to Afghanistan and energy-rich Central Asian states. According to media reports, the US is eyeing a setup at Gwadar to watch over Chinese activities in the area. Therefore, its presence in Balochistan could threaten the security of strategic projects that are likely to take off in 2011 and 2012, including the Chinese sponsored second phase infrastructure development of Gwadar Port , construction of Pak-Iran gas pipeline, and the mega Reko Dik copper and gold mining facility, which do not converge with the Indo-US strategic interests in the region.

Nevertheless, America's interest in the province's division on linguistic and ethnic lines was reflected in a senior ANP leader's recent statement suggesting carving out a 'South Pakhtunkhwa' province in Pashtun-dominated regions, which links with the long-term designs of Greater Pakhtunistan. Incidentally few months ago, Ambassador Munter had participated in a Pashtun tribal jirga in Quetta - an event that raised eyebrows in Islamabad. ........

In the article titled The Destabilisation of Pakistan dated May 12, 2011, Dr Stuart Jeanne Bramhall writes: "Following a familiar pattern, there are indications that the Baloch insurgency is being supported and abetted by Britain and the US. Washington favours the creation of a 'Greater Balochistan', which would integrate the Baloch areas of Pakistan with those of Iran and possibly the southern tip of Afghanistan, thereby leading to a process of political fracturing in both Iran and Pakistan. The US course consists in fomenting social, ethnic and factional divisions and political fragmentation, including the territorial breakup of Pakistan."

USA's interest in South Punjab through their newfound love for Sufism/Barelvism has led to the renovation of a few Sufi shrines. Ambassador Patterson had announced lavish grants for the conservation and restoration of three shrines (Hazrat Rajan Qattal in Uch Sharif, Hazrat Musa Pak Shaheed in Multan, and Hazrat Khawaja Ghulam Fareed in Rajanpur) in South Punjab under the Ambassador's Fund for Cultural Preservation. However, it is not known how much of these funds were actually used for the intended purpose. Munter, too, maintained the traditions of his predecessor when during his latest visit to Multan, he laid floral wreath at the shrine of Hazrat Shah Shams, and reassured US aid to restore the shrine in its original shape. Undoubtedly, America's double game is clearly visible. While, on one the hand, they present themselves as supporters of Sufi Islam, on the other, the US Embassy in Islamabad organised the despicable first ever gay, lesbians, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) pride celebration ceremony and assured its Pakistani participants that Washington would continue to support their cause in the country.

Reportedly, after CIA's failure in acquiring land in Dera Ghazi Khan, the next station of choice is obviously Multan. Thanks to the US funded mango processing project, the American ingress will be facilitated into the interior of South Punjab. We have also currently witnessed a coordinated US and UK effort to engage the leaders and influentials of South Punjab.

Some questions are: Is American support for Sufism designed to promote intersect hatred and divide in an already polarised religio-cultural environment in the Pakistani society? Or is the strategy to penetrate the shrines culture a cover to establish links with some banned religious/militant outfits to destabilise South Punjab? Do we see an American or British link with the sudden move for creating a Seraiki province by the ruling party? Are a few top gaddi nashins and power hungry opportunist politicians and waderas of the South Punjab falling into the American or British trap? Is this a conspiracy to unnerve and divide Punjab, and create hatred on linguistic and ethnic lines to weaken Pakistan? It is also essential that movement of foreign diplomats be monitored?

Indeed, new US Consulates in Quetta and Multan pose a threat to Pakistan's security and our principled stand against their opening must not be compromised for short-term political gains and vested interests.

The writer is a retired brigadier, and a political and defence analyst.
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baloch people are supporting the consulate in quetta. its back into consideration. this is old news that american wish is binned
 

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The report from The Nation is dated Wednesday, September 21, 2011.
 

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The report from The Nation is dated Wednesday, September 21, 2011.
The report is dated @20th August.
The date mentioned below the header is the current date.
 

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That nation article is a Hollywood script. I don't where the critical thinkers are in Pakistan anymore---the objective is not make Pakistan a bigger cluster phuck that it is now. it calls for suspension of belief to believe otherwise. It calls for sheer stupidity to add more instability ... believe it or not US wants a stable Pakistan so it can stop spending billions over security issues arising form its lands...That shzit in pakistan is costing us billions!
 

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If completed THANK YOU Pakistan & Communist China.. :D

It just POK lacks strategic targets :(
 

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The report is dated @20th August.
The date mentioned below the header is the current date.
That nation article is a Hollywood script. I don't where the critical thinkers are in Pakistan anymore---the objective is not make Pakistan a bigger cluster phuck that it is now. it calls for suspension of belief to believe otherwise. It calls for sheer stupidity to add more instability ... believe it or not US wants a stable Pakistan so it can stop spending billions over security issues arising form its lands...That shzit in pakistan is costing us billions!
That is right that the article is 20 Aug as written.

I would say one month difference is not much to change the geostrategic perspective unless something cataclysmic takes place.

I cannot find out that article written sometime back where Pakistan accused the US of destabilising Balochistan and for once did not blame RAW!

Given the turmoil Pakistan and the ISI is creating in Afghanistan, whereby the US is finding it difficult to accomplish its mission as also being forced to eat crow, so to say, by having to drawdown giving the false and heady impression to the Pakistanis that they have crippled two superpower, I daresay the US will be sitting pretty and accepting the humiliation.

On a US military specialist forum, it was categorically stated that though Revenge is not a strategic parameter, Americans went into Afghanistan to take their pound of flesh and mentioned Revenge pulling no punches.

If that be so, then I hardly think that the US will be hunkering down in Afghanistan and getting their troops get killed.

In warfare, one has to take the battle into the enemy's territory for obvious reasons. Politically, it would not be hallal to launch any overt operations against Pakistan. And yet, to believe a powerful nation as the US will sit back and allow it to be buffeted as a rag doll in high winds is being a bit naive. US has never and will never take 'crap' (as they say) from anyone.

Therefore, what could be better than paying Pakistan back in their own coin; of course, covertly!

It is of interest of the US to keep the area 'hot' for the Pakistanis so that their attention and resources are divided.

Further, from the strategic standpoint, if the US can get the Balochis up and going, the Chinese dream of the use of the Gwadar port and goods transiting through Baluchistan would be fraught with danger.

As it is, the killing of Chinese engineers in these areas haven't quite endeared the Chinese to the Pakistanis. It is believed the the Uighurs were behind this and where is the Ughur leader located? The US!!

If the Baloch are helped by the US, it will also help the US to put pressure on Iran from both sides - Iraq and Balochistan. As it is the Jundallah has been raiding Iran and causing havoc so much so the Iran Pakistan relations are not too conducive.

One could go on, but suffice it so say, it is of tremendous strategic interest for the US to keep Pakistan on the boil and watching out for their behind!

And China stands despondent and unable to act since they never interfere in the internal politics of another country!! :eek:
 

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So, what is the result? US can ship supply for free to Af?LOL
I draw your attention to Post # 36.

What is sauce for the goose (US) is also sauce for the gander (to include Chinese interest in Pakistan)!
 

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I draw your attention to Post # 36.

What is sauce for the goose (US) is also sauce for the gander (to include Chinese interest in Pakistan)!
just as i said, NOW,pakistan still own by China but not US.
looks like US needs do more works(support some guy to change the geoverment of Pakistan.....)LOL
 
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just as i said, parkistan still own by China but not US. looks like US needs do works.LOL
Wait till a Pakistani reads this. LOL
 

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