Pak Stoked J&K Terror. Time for New Ties

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  1. Ray

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    Imaran Khan the new PM as is popularly believed has conceded that Pakistan stoked the J&K terror.

    At the same time, he speaks of new ties. But he was quick to suggest that unless Kashmir is resolved, the Mumbai type of attacks could continue. In other words, he has said nothing new.

    He has tried to present himself as a moderate, progressive, idealist peacenik who has the silver bullet to Pakistan's problem.

    He has claimed that he was not against the US, but against the US War on Terror, and yet at the same time, has remained vague as to who are the terrorists. He has conceded that Pakistan is a radicalised country that requires the US to change its policy to address the situation in Pakistan.

    If he should come to power, will it make any change to the India Pakistan relationship or the US Pakistan relationship?

    Is he capable of achieving a balanced and progressive Pakistan?
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    Same thing Zardari told when he was campaigning for his elections. But even after he came to power nothing changed....or it wasn't allowed to change.
     
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    True, but Zardari did not know or understand India as Imran does.

    Imran has a better knowledge of India.

    Would that help him to address the issue with greater passion than the others who have tried their hand at solving the issues?
     
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    SATISH DFI Technocrat Stars and Ambassadors

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    But sir, Will the army let him do it?

    I don't think so. The army and the ISI will not let him take his decisions.
     
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    Blah blah blah.....vote catching tantrums.

    The foreign policy of Pak , especially relating to India is made in Rawalpindi and not in Isloo.
     
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    He is the alternative the army will present to run its own agenda.
     
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    Hope the next Pakistani leader runs that country further into the ground.
     
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    it seems after musharraf, IK is all set to toe the indian line, be it on kashmir or trade but then that could well mean the 4 point agenda discussed between MMS and mush possibly being put to work.

    the best part is, IK has now repeatedly termed the pakistan sponsored terror in J&K as terrorism and no one in pakistani media is raising a voice, and there remains extremely limited coverage of this within pak media, which definitely shows that for now the pak army is not interested in rocking his boat, what is further note worthy is that a big chunk of people who were ministers during mush's dictatorship era are joining his party and it is possible that they could get to be the ministers in his government as and when it is formed, if so, every likely hood of continuation of mush dictatorship era's policies.

    if khurshid kasuri gets to be the foreign minister, then there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the much talked about 4 point agenda with the full backing of pak army will be implemented, the indian side as such has said there is no looking back on the issue, and the further movement on kashmir will be only be picked up from where it was left or there will be CBMs, and india has stuck to the line all throughout since the exit of musharraf.

    why do i sense pakistanis are going to really hate and curse IK once he gets to be the PM of that country!
     
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    IK is a novice,

    The hurly burly and machinations of Pakistan politics, the rampant interference of the Pak Army and the Mullah menace, apart from the Taliban will force him to adopt a new avatar - anti Indian to start with and then the usual - against the whole world less the Islamic countries!
     
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    If its Imran's turn, he will be taking over the throne of a nation in turbulent times, among immense expectations and powerful hostile entities such as PA.
    It will be tough and he will be cursed. What matters in the end is, how much repair and rediscovery he could do for Pakistan.

    Regards,
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    I would not want the mushy agenda back. Settlement on Kashmir under present boundary without the resolution of Gilgit Baltistan in India's favor is just not acceptable. Better to wait for the next war and decisively win it all on our terms.

    No Indian should accept any unilateral treaty or border agreement that does not resolve Indian strategic interests. I am sorry, I am one of those who thinks there can be no peace with Pak even if kashmir is given to them on a platter. I would prefer them as enemies than friends. What we need is leadership with some balls. That will be all.
     
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    जब जान निकल रही है तो सारी शराफत सूझ रही है इनें । We should adopt an even more aggressive stance once this UPA government is kicked out in 2014.
     
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    Yusuf,

    Your contention is not what the Indian Govt subscribes to!
     
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    Sir, I cannot expect it either with a legacy seeking PM.
     
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    Yusuf,

    The PM can leave no legacy.

    He is hamstrung by his own party and its head honcho as also the Opposition.

    He is hedged around by friends and foe and both have the same aim - disgrace the PM!

    He deserves pity!

    A good man on the whole!
     
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    I am a hawk when it comes to Pakistan, plus Indian vital strategic interest in GB means I will never advocate peace with Pakistan.

    Unfortunately even ABV tried to run after legacy. So I don't know if there is anyone who comes to the "chair" and not try to be a "hero" in all the wrong sense as far as Indian interests go.

    Cold start as I have understood is a perfect doctrine. Gives us land from the enemy and makes it talk on our terms. We better have govt with balls when it comes to pass that negotiates GB and not give away land captured and their soldiers as well.
    They'd do well to call me when negotiations are done!!
     
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    Yusuf,

    Hard line or soft line.

    The only answer if Peace, even though not at all costs,

    Try Peace!

    One can do many things without going to war!
     
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    Even if GB remains independent/autonomous, we still need it friendly or neutral for our long term strategic reasons. Not the one sprawling with terrorist camps.
     
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    Knowing Pakistan, I will not take the risk.
     
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    Yusuf,

    Think Balochistan.

    Think Balwaristan.

    Think Sindhu Desh.

    Think Seraiki!

    Think Shia!

    Think Ahmediya!

    Think Black Omani in Gwadar!

    Think Iran!
     
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