Pak shells India, India retaliates

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Re: Permenant solution to pakistani menace

As unfortunate as this may sound, i don't believe a practical permanent solution would ever be feasible neither through war nor through dialogues. I say we keep responding to provocations as in present and try to maintain the status quo. Here's the hoping that our neighbour gets a responsible civilian government that actually calls the shots instead of succumbing to army's pressure and peace prevails for the good of civilians on both sides of the border.

Edit : And please see for yourselves the topic at hand and what this thread has come to!!!
 
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I do know, baccha-bazi is so common that hardly is considered unnatural/ not normal. Does it now feature as a ritual of coming of age of boys in your place?
It's a crime often comitted in KP and there is not much the authorities can do about it.

A great deal of Mumbai prostitutes are under aged boys and girls, millions of homeless children are sexually abused in India in almost every major city. Does it feature as a ritual of surviving in India?

You conveniently ignored the wife sharing Sikh community. I provided a CNN link to prove it's true.
 
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It's a crime often comitted in KP and there is not much the authiritues can do about it.

A great deal of Mumbai prostitutes are under aged boys and girls, millions of homeless children are sexually abused in India in almost every major city. Does it feature as a ritual of surciving in India?

You conveniently ignored the wife sharing Sikh community. I provided a CNN link to prove it's true.
You conveniently ignored your own posterior, and blame me for ignoring a link? BTW, you worked too hard to find that link, we hardly are ashamed, polyandry is present in Hindu holy book Mahabharata.

Hira Mandi, is present in dark side of moon right?
 

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You conveniently ignored your own posterior, and blame me for ignoring a link? BTW, you worked too hard to find that link, we hardly are ashamed, polyandry is present in Hindu holy book Mahabharata.
In that case you have my full sympathy.
 

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In that case you have my full sympathy.
When you have no shame in polygyny but, have shame for polyandry, you male chauvinistic pig. Your blubber should be skinned alive by feminists :rofl:
 

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FYI for those Pakis who are offering their sympathies to Indian culture which would be well directed in your own backyard first.

Pakistan most terror-hit nation - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

PESHAWAR: Pakistan is the country most affected by terrorism in the world after Iraq, but if the severity of the incidents is considered, it even surpasses the Middle Eastern nation, according to a policy document on internal national security.

The draft of National Internal Security Policy (NISP) 2013-2018, currently being fine-tuned by Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan before presentation to the cabinet, describes the scenario as dangerous, posing an existential threat to the integrity and sovereignty of the state.

"From 2001 to 2013, there were 13,721 incidents in Pakistan which is marginally less than Iraq. From 2001 to 2005, there were 523 terrorist incidents in Pakistan but from 2007 to November 2013, the total number of incidents has risen to 13,198."

Similarly, the number of suicide bombings between 2001 and 2007 stood at 15 only, but from 2007 to November last year, suicide attacks jumped to 358 – the highest anywhere in the world.

According to data released by the US National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses for Terrorism (Start), Pakistan led the chart with 1,404 terrorist attacks in 2012, surpassing Iraq (1,271). Even Afghanistan was behind Pakistan at number three with 1,023 incidents.

More than one-third (33 per cent) of those attacks occurred in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, followed by Balochistan (23pc), Fata (19.6pc) and Sindh (18pc), Start noted.

Ironically however, authoritative sources have revealed to Dawn that while KP has been the hardest hit, the interior ministry never asked it to join formal consultation while formulating the national internal security policy. "We were asked to give our input, but were never invited to formal discussions," an official said.

The national internal security policy document says from 2001 to November 2013, 48,994 people were killed in the country including 5,272 personnel of the law-enforcement agencies, a large number of them – 17,642 – having been killed in just three years from 2011 to 2013 including 2,114 personnel of the law-enforcement agencies.

So far the interior minister has offered only snippets of the 86-page document which largely remains shrouded in secrecy. So much so that according to sources privy to deliberations on what is being billed as the country's first internal security policy, all those in attendance were asked to return its copy within 24 hours of receiving it.

Loss to economy

The document goes on to estimate the total loss to economy in the last ten years because of terrorism at $78 billion. It provides a grim picture of the state of security in the country facing what it describes as serious traditional and non-traditional threats of violent extremism, sectarianism, terrorism and militancy.

"Terrorist networks lurk in shadows and thrive on a strategy of invisibility and ambiguity. They operate in an ideologically motivated environment to embroil the state on physical, psychological and ideological levels," the document notes.

Offering a situation analysis, the document blames flawed and myopic foreign policy choices relating to Afghanistan, Kashmir and India, prolonged military rules and declining capacity of the state institutions and poor governance for the internal security threat.

All categories of violent groups in Pakistan, it notes, have hierarchical leadership, organisation and sources of funding. "They have weaved supportive political narratives and have carved out a domestic support base through which they operate," it points out, adding that the most troublesome aspect of the entire phenomenon was their connections of varying degrees with external adversaries.

On pursuing dialogue, the document notes that while it seems a noble idea to proceed on a non-violent path, it also create confusion in the minds of the foot soldiers and police officers. "Without holding a strong position in negotiations, it is difficult for any party to reach"¦a favourable conclusion," it argues.

Underscoring the need for capacity building of national internal security apparatus, the policy document however, notes that the total strength of 33 national security organisations, including the police and other civil armed forces, both at the federal as well as the provincial level, exceeded 600,000, which is more than the sixth largest standing army of the world i.e. Pakistan.

Pakistan spends Rs150bn on policing in a country where the citizen to police ratio, it notes, was well within the Police Rules, except for the Punjab and Sindh. It notes, however, that the countrywide crime rate registered a spike since 2008 and in 2013; the nationwide reported crime figures stood at a whooping 64,4554.

However, it acknowledges that the metamorphosis of crime accompanied by non-traditional challenge, has prompted the law-enforcement agencies to realign their preparation and posture accordingly, particularly in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan where the police forces have gone into an operational mode with other important areas of police work being relegated to the back seat.

The document puts forward three elements of the NISP framework revolving around Dialogue, Isolation and Deterrence, providing for an open-door policy for negotiations with "all" anti-state and non-state groups within the limit of the Constitution and "without compromising" the primary interests of the state territorial integrity and sovereignty, developing a national narrative to counterterrorism and extremism, de-radicalisation and reintegration & reconstruction and capacity building of the criminal justice system and law-enforcement agencies.

The document offers a comprehensive analysis of counterterrorism models in many countries, including the US, UK, Canada, Germany, India, Turkey and Singapore and ventures to offer its own solution to overcome the behemoth of terrorism.

The interior minister has indicated he intended to revamp and revitalise National Counter Terrorism Authority (Nacta) to prepare a comprehensive response plan, rapid reaction force and an integral air wing.

But central to the revamped Nacta, according to the document, would be the establishment of a 'directorate of internal security' to collate intelligence from six intelligence agencies, including the special branch operating at the provincial level, and coordinate efforts between 20 law-enforcement agencies. The whole operation is to cost Rs21bn, according to the document.
 

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When you have no shame in polygyny but, have shame for polyandry, you male chauvinistic pig. Your blubber should be skinned alive by feminists :rofl:
Polygamy doesn't result in children wondering who their real father is.
 

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Polygamy doesn't result in children wondering who their real father is.
Neither can be too sure, when adultery is commonplace in Pakistani society. Women in Burkha don't help either. :eyebrows:
 
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India hits back with vengeance, strikes 37 Pak posts, 15 killed

The Indian security forces unleashed "massive retaliation" on Tuesday all along the 200-kilometre long International Border (IB) in Jammu against what they termed unprovoked firing by Pakistan Rangers that began on October 1.

Villagers show mortar shell marks on a wall after indiscriminate firing by Pakistan Rangers at a residential area. (PTI Photo)

The Indian attack targeted 37 Pakistani border posts, resulting in around 15 deaths, more than 30 injured and serious damage to outposts manned by the Pakistani Rangers, intelligence sources told HT.

India has lost six people and sustained 13 injuries in Pakistani firing in the Jammu sector, part of a five-fold increase in ceasefire violations on the IB this year to 41. The incidents have perplexed military analysts who are more accustomed to firing across the Line of Control (LoC) to facilitate infiltration of terrorists.

The IB is the formal border between India and Pakistan and the 700-km LoC is a line demarcated in 1972 across which troops of either side are ranged.

A terse eight-minute phone conversation between the Indian and Pakistani deputy directors of the directorate general of military operations (DDDGMO) ended with brigadiers from both sides trading accusations.

There were some reports of the Rangers holding their fire in the wake of the strong Indian response but by and large the Pakistanis responded in kind to Indian action in Arnia, Raghubir Singh Pura, Ramgarh, Samba, Akhnoor and Pargwal.

"While India has no intention of escalating situation on the Jammu border, there is no question that the Pakistanis will be allowed to go without punishment," said a senior South Block official.


South Block sources said the Indian side was forced to open up after the Pakistan Army first violated the Line of Control in Poonch followed by their Rangers, who let loose with heavy machine guns and mortars in the Jammu sector.

The first incident happened on October 1, when the Pakistan Army targeted an Indian Army border outpost (BoP) under Mandi sub-division of Poonch sector. On October 3, the Pakistanis again fired at a BoP in Mandi, killing a 17-year-old girl and injuring four Indian civilians.

On October 3-4 night, the Pakistan Rangers decided to escalate firing to the IB and targeted an Indian BoP in Arnia sector. A Pakistani mortar shell landed in a house in Kaku de Kothey village in Arnia as a result of which two civilians sustained serious injuries. This was just the beginning.

On October 4, an Indian Army jawan was killed in an improvised explosive device blast and two others were badly hurt. The border action team of Pakistan-based terrorists had planted the device near Tiba forward post in Mendhar in Poonch sector.

Two days later, the Pakistan Rangers again opened up at the IB and targeted Indian BoPs in Arnia with heavy mortars, killing five civilians including a minor, and injuring 30 others. Since October 1, Indian BoPs in Mandi, Mendhar, Arnia, Khour, Ramgarh and Rajouri sector have been targeted by the Pakistani forces.

India hits back with vengeance, strikes 37 Pak posts, 15 killed - Hindustan Times
 

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The situation is getting out of controll. If Pakistan gives a matching reply, this could easly escalate into another war.
 

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Neither can be too sure, when adultery is commonplace in Pakistani society. Women in Burkha don't help either. :eyebrows:
Adultry is a global phenomena, more so in a country with 1.2 billion people.
 

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The situation is getting out of controll. If Pakistan gives a matching reply, this could easly escalate into another war.

Should sell your properties in Pakistan, lest they nationalise them to recover the cost of war ( dying economy). :p
 

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The situation is getting out of controll. If Pakistan gives a matching reply, this could easly escalate into another war.
As if it is only Indians who cause massive shelling every time and Pakistan stays quiet. Next thing you will say is that Pakistan is a peace loving nation which condones terrorism!

:rolleyes:
 

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Should sell your properties in Pakistan, lest they nationalise them to recover the cost of war ( dying economy). :p
Better worry about yourself. You don't have money to pay for your weapons hence you defaulted last year. A war will be destructive for both economies.
 

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Adultry is a global phenomena, more so in a country with 1.2 billion people.
No, more prevalent and endemic to a geographic location which corresponds to modern day Pakistan. There is historical context to it. :shocked: But, when a child is subjected to Baccha-Bazzi last thing he want's to know who the 'real' father is. :scared2:
 

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As if it is only Indians who cause massive shelling every time and Pakistan stays quiet. Next thing you will say is that Pakistan is a peace loving nation which condones terrorism!

:rolleyes:
Unlike India, Pakistan is open to have permanent UN observing monitors because we have nothing to hide.
Can't say the same about India.
 

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About time India paid back in the same coin.
 

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No, more prevalent and endemic to a geographic location which corresponds to modern day Pakistan. There is historical context to it. :shocked: But, when a child is subjected to Baccha-Bazzi last thing he want's to know who the 'real' father is. :scared2:
Millions of homeless children in India get sexually abused and you are worried about bacha bazi in KPK?
Is this the only way to feel good about your own failures?
 

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Better worry about yourself. You don't have money to pay for your weapons hence you defaulted last year. A war will be destructive for both economies.
We bought many, each better than desert sand blasted, used and vintage F-16. You probably paid for them from Polio eradication money. :pound:
 
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Unlike India, Pakistan is open to have permanent UN observing monitors because we have nothing to hide.
Can't say the same about India.
Bhai Jaan, UN ka naam na le tho acha hi hain...
 

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