Pak military tightening grip in Pakistan

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  1. Mikesingh

    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    Whither democracy in Pakistan? Is there a democratically elected government there or is it a silent coup that's been unfolding ever since a civilian government was elected?

    They say a leopard can never change its spots. So it is with the Pakistan Army. They cannot and will never digest a civilian government running the country. They're drunk on power and need to keep it at all costs.

    For those who were in doubt so far, this news puts all doubts to rest. This is proof that Pakistan has a lame duck government being run by the Army. Nawaz and his team are just puppets on a string....

    Pak military tightening grip on policy-making?

    Omer Farooq Khan

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    TNN
    Calls Cabinet To Rawalpindi HQ To Discuss Country's External & Security-Related Policies

    Into the last 24 months of its rule, the Nawaz Sharif regime is giving the impression of a lame duck government. Political controversy over Panama papers is refusing to die down, and Sharif himself, recuperating from a surgery , has become vulnerable to criticism. Worse, a freeze in Pakistan's relations with India has come on the back of uneasy relations with the United States, escalation of tensions with Afghanistan, and growing mistrust with Iran.

    Last week, the entire cabinet, excluding the interior minister, were called for a meeting to the military's general headquarters (GHQ) in the garrison city of Rawalpindi following a call from the men in khaki, showing their dominance in the country's decision-making process. The agenda was to discuss the country's external and security-related policies.

    The Indian PM's diplomatic overtures in the region, the US and West Asia have, in recent weeks, intensified the debate inside Pakistan about the direction of its foreign policy , being dubbed as “failed“ by critics, many of them within the army . A top PML stalwart told TOI that Sharif, when he'd taken over, was determined to minimise the military's role in the realm of the country's foreign affairs but has had to give in at every step to sustained pressure from “hidden“ quarters.

    Although it is acknowledged that when it comes to foreign affairs, the civilians play second fiddle to the military establishment, the Pindi meeting, according to observers, could have been held at the foreign office.

    Deflecting criticism of politicians and media over the military's iron grip on policy matters, Sharif 's adviser on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz told parliamentarians that it was wrong to assume that the military dictates the country's foreign policy .

    “Over the years, we've been taking substantial inputs from the military due to our long standing disputes with neighbouring India,“ said Aziz, considered military's pawn.

    Ali Muhammad Khan, a legislator from opposition Pakistan Tehreek-iInsaf party , said in the National Assembly , “Politicians are accountable to people, but if an army general comes in, nobody will be able to ask him a question. I appeal to all politicians on treasury and opposition benches to fulfil the trust of the masses who elected them and assert themselves in the policy making process of the country.“ Proponents of democracy said such a state of affairs is unacceptable.

    “The military should be consulted on key issues linked to national security, but decisions about foreign affairs must be made in Islamabad and not Rawalpindi,“ said Amir Mateen, a Pakistani analyst.

    http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/...ghtening-grip-on-policy-making-20062016014027

    Because of the military's stranglehold over Pakistan's foreign policy, the country is heading deeper into the rabbit hole. It is slowly but surely becoming isolated and a pariah in the international community due to the Army's lopsided policies. Generals are meant to plan war strategy and not dabble in politics and diplomacy as they aren't trained for it, especially the Jehadi Pak Army which has been using Jehad as an instrument of state policy for decades.

    Can you imagine the entire Indian cabinet being summoned to the Army HQ in Delhi under orders from the Chief of Army Staff? These things can only happen in Pakistan and the reason why it has morphed into a dysfunctional state.
     
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  3. lupgain

    lupgain Offence is best defense

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    I am sure they are moving towards another coup in case Pakistan fails to get through NSG
     
  4. PD_Solo

    PD_Solo The only one

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    Stable Pakistan is essential for stable Indian subcontinent.

    Modiji and foreign policy team has played smartly by giving a soft hand to Nawaz Sharif government and equally retaliating hard against their military tactics.

    Then not to forget U.S has recently denied any assistance to provide F-16 jets as aid, and I think many sanctions may follow as U.S Congress's many senators are not happy with Pakistani aid and calling for a length from this failed state.Deadly drone strikes have been continued despite of sovereignty tantrums from Pakistan.

    U.S has now understood that closeness with India will be better in a long run and this has not gone down well with the khakiwalla's of Pakistan and now they are taking an initiative in the foreign policy.

    Let's wish that remote control of Pakistan is not put on a toss.If any coup happens then Pakistan shall lose whatever global relations it has bettered or left till now.
     
  5. PD_Solo

    PD_Solo The only one

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    Gurus plz share light on may be how should India handle this turmoil.
     
  6. lupgain

    lupgain Offence is best defense

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    In a big game of China, It is supporting Pak Army to regain it's influence in Pakistan, which they lost after Gen. Parvez Musharaff, Once Pak Army has taken over Pakistan, Implementation of CPEC will become easy for China, without any hurdles from local governments, China is not pro-democracy in Pakistan ....... Also regarding participation of locals in the CPEC will be washed out which current govt. has failed to do.... There by paving way for chinese workers to be flooded in Pakistan... Then slowly pushing Pak under military regime... like north korea and making it fully dependent on china once the sanctions get implemented ... Ultimately pak will become 24th province of china
     
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  7. curryman

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    Don't let a civilian government led by Nawaz Sharif fool you, Pakistan is already under military control and has been for awhile. Pakistan's foreign policy failures are strictly due to influence of GHQ. They are dictating policy and the civilians are carrying it out. If it fails, military has someone to blame. It's a dysfunction of Pakistan that things operate this way.

    This is a benefit to India as Pakistan's dysfunction makes it to appear weak and ineffectual in the comity of nations even though Pakistan is a nuclear power and has a powerful military. Let's hope this dysfunction hangs around for years to come.
     
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    Where is Nawaz Sharif? @Blackwater ji aap London ma rehte ha na; Kahin dekha? Anyway he is just puppet. But at least as a formality country should have some showpiece prime minister na?
     
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    he is still in London, his 1st home. interesting to see when he goes back to Pakistan.


    Btw does not matter pak fauj was and in control of pakistan as usual
     
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  10. Zulfiqar Khan

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    Good move, whole of Pakistan is praying for the Army to take control.
     
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  11. SANITY

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    Your army men should join politics if public supports them and they feel confident of running the nation.
     
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  12. curryman

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    If the Pakistan Army was competent to run Pakistan, they would still be in charge. But they are just as grossly incompetent as the civilians. Pakistan is in a vicious cycle.
     
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    So, who do you think controlling Pakistan now ???? president of FIJI:megusta::megusta::megusta::megusta::megusta:
     
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  14. Brood Father

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    Mucchad's term is ending but his lust for power is similar to his predecessor

    Do not be surprised that after Eid mucchad becoming president of Pakistan and nawaz goes to exile
     
  15. Kshatriya87

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    Army never loosened its grip since ayub khan. Sharif is only a katputli who runs random errands like meeting americans, chinese etc. Aziz is only a feel good factor face who is supposed to make the pakistanis feel like their government is working and that it actually has a foreign policy. But he is terrible at this job.
     
  16. Screambowl

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    even India wants Pak military takes the control 100%, and launches raid in Kargil again so that this time India gets an excuse to take back PoK and liberate Balochistan.

    Keep it up buddy. Hoping 111 Brigade to enter PM residence.
     
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    Mysterious banners urging COAS to take over put up across country
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    ISLAMABAD/KARACHI/PESHAWAR: A little-known political party of Punjab put up banners in 13 cities across the country on Monday with its leaders urging Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif to impose martial law and form a government of technocrats.

    The banners have been put up in Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta, Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Sargodha, Hyderabad, etc, by the Move on Pakistan party and unlike its earlier campaign requesting the army chief to reconsider his retirement plan due in November the message is quite ominous this time around.

    A banner hanging at a traffic intersection on the thoroughfare between Chief Minister House and the Rangers headquaters in Karachi reads: Janay ki baatain hui puraani, Khuda k liye ab ajao (Talks of leaving are now old; for God’s sake now come).

    Ali Hashmi, the central chief organiser of the party, told Dawn that the goal of their campaign was to suggest to the army chief that after imposing martial law a government of technocrats should be made in Pakistan and Gen Raheel should himself supervise it.

    While the official mouthpiece of the army — the Inter-Services Public Relations — remained silent, analyst Amir Rana believed that the latest move strengthened the view that something was cooking up.

    Interestingly, the banners sprang up overnight on all major thoroughfares in the 13 cities, even in cantonment areas, despite the presence of several checkpoints and extra security.

    Mr Hashmi claimed that his party’s banners were removed in Lahore and Faisalabad in the morning.

    The Move on Pakistan party — which has little grass-root support — has been registered with the Election Commission of Pakistan for the past three years and a Faisalabad-based businessman, Mohammad Kamran, is its chairman. He runs a number of schools and ‘businesses’ in Faisalabad, Sargodha and Lahore.

    The party came into the spotlight in February when it put up posters and banners across the country asking the army chief not to retire and “help in eradicating terrorism and corruption”.

    Though five months back the party maintained that it was not inviting the army to take over, this time it said that “there is no choice but to enforce martial law and form a government of technocrats”.

    Mr Hashmi said that the absence of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif from the country for more than 40 days proved that there was no need of a political government. “Those who have been running the country will keep running it.”

    Regarding his future plans, he said: “We have been considering holding rallies from Faisalabad to Lahore and Karachi to Sukkur in the second phase to convince the army chief that he should intervene for the betterment of the country and nation.”

    Analyst Rana said that there could be some forces behind the persons responsible for the latest campaign.

    “Some elements always remain ready to find ways to come close to the armed forces and make an alliance with the establishment,” he said, adding: “Although a change cannot be brought with such moves, it strengthens the doubt that something is going on.”

    The issue was widely discussed on TV talk shows and on the social media.

    The ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, however, was cautious in making any comment.

    At a private TV programme, Minister of State for Privatisation Mohammad Zubair said that the army chief had already expressed his intention that he would not seek an extension in his tenure. “He [Gen Raheel] is the head of a great institution. I’m sure the person who will replace him will be equally professional and competent.”

    He said that only legal experts could say what action be taken against those putting up such banners and posters.

    Pakistan Peoples Party leader and Adviser to the Sindh Chief Minister on Information Maula Bux Chandio said in a press talk that Gen Raheel would take a decision in the best national interest.

    He, however, asked the army chief not to pay any heed towards the advice or suggestions of sycophants.

    Meanwhile, when asked whether the inscription on the banners amounted to sedition, a Peshawar police official said in a lighter vein that the message on the banners was vague and the organiser of the party might be asking the army chief to come to Peshawar.





     
  18. Indx TechStyle

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    LOL, only people of your country in their planet pray for such suicidal moves. :rofl:
     
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    Mushi won with 98% votes...........last time..........
     
  20. Rahul Singh

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    This is a country which was created on basis of religion as they would have thought Islam to be greatest binding factor. Frequently talks of Islamic world, ummah, even pan Islamic state. Has almost negligible religious minority. All in all a political landmass with uniform culture. And yet it can't enjoy a stable democracy.

    What hollowness, what bankruptcy, what incompetency, what glorification of weakness.......what a wast, what a waste. No doubt why it is regarded as a cancer to the world.
     
  21. Mikesingh

    Mikesingh Senior Member Senior Member

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    Like I mentioned earlier on another thread, Pakistan is well and truly on its way to becoming an autonomous region of China, like Tibet. Pakistani subservience to their Chinese overlords is despicable and shameless. Their slave mentality is still alive and kicking - first under the Americans and now the Chinese.

    This fountainhead of terror has become a near dysfunctional state. Implosion is not too far in the future. It's already happening.
     

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