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And those think yanks are any better.Perfect example of interests guiding national policies. Those who think Russia is India's all weather friend.
And those think yanks are any better.Perfect example of interests guiding national policies. Those who think Russia is India's all weather friend.
Hope we can solve all the problem peacefully.we are living in most chaotic time, lets see how history makes itself. love to see what situation will be like in next 10 years.
This is not a weapons deal. Russia would not risk losing their biggest defense customer by making a stupid move like that.this is doomed to happen when india is heading forward with more western weaponry
I remembered one sheayer" Khudi ko kar buland itna ki har takdeer se pahle khuda tujse yeah puche, teri raja kya ha" Here khuda is asking pakistan bata teri saja kya ha lollllllllllllllllllllll
Pakistan thinks sitting in SCO lap will save them from destruction....no way. SCO, especially china will use and abuse pakistan same as USA did. poor pakis think SCO will save them from Gajwa -a-pak. lollllllllllllllllllll
Wrong. Whoever the Pakis are with in allaince they will still abuse themselves. They're naturally narcissistic.
God save the pak Queen
I won't comment on other parts as it's irrelevant. You are mixing business with geo-politics. Even in India, There are lots of Chinese companies and even yearly trade between India-China is worth half of Pakistan GDP but it mean nothing as far as geo-political relation between India and China.I have said already that Russia is overly keen to improve relations with Pakistan, You can expect to see LukOil and Gazprom in Pakistan soon building pipelines, Oil refineries and Russian steel giants, I dont see Russia selling weapons to Pakistan, Yet. Not until India is buying American weapons in large quantities will Russia start selling weapons to Pakistan.
Pakistan has played very bad role on international stage. After 50 years of friendship with U.S., they didn't gave any high-tech weapons/jets except few Bn $ aid which is not visible in Pak economy today thanks to corruption and bad system. What Pak got from U.S. beside aid ? F-16 (52 block), Old C-130, old Howazitter ?? These are nothing. We are buying much better from U.S. and they are ready to sell anything to India including F-35.Pakistan has cleverly for the last almost 70 years aligned itself with organizations and nations that have helped it balance India, Indians may not like this fact but its a reality that Pakistan's relations with various world powers has made Pakistan more powerful than it would have been without. To put things into hindsight, Pakistan politically, socially and military would be the equivalent of Bangladesh which has half the economy of Pakistan but an almost equal population. Pakistan has used its geo-strategic location by gaining support from world powers who have inturn given military aid and the crown jewels of national security which are nuclear weaponry.
If India thinks it can buy weapons from both Russia and the US and neither the Russians or the US will sell also to Pakistan then its an complete error in judgement. If you read the thread I post earlier Bangladesh is not given the important role it should be given because it all goes on Pakistan. If Pakistan did not enter into these Pacts with the US/China/ME then it would be in the current position of Bangladesh or worse somewhere like Africa.I won't comment on other parts as it's irrelevant. You are mixing business with geo-politics. Even in India, There are lots of Chinese companies and even yearly trade between India-China is worth half of Pakistan GDP but it mean nothing as far as geo-political relation between India and China.
On bold part - We are going to buy around 60 Billion $ from Russia in next 20 years (If no other deals happens). Only 5th Generation aircraft (PAK FA deal will be worth 35 Bn $). There are many other defence deals like Brahmos-1,2, MTC's, T-90, Frigates, ACC, Su MKI, MIG29 and so on. So, even we don't have any more deal - We are going to pay 60 Bn $ in next 20 years. Pakistan total purchase won't even be 60 Bn $ forget about only Russian purchase. No country can match India's buying ability. Russia won't sell to China and U.S. and allies like Europe, Turkey, KSA, Japan, S.K. won't buy and rest are irrelevant and won't able to replace India in next few decades. In Short, We can buy large quantity from U.S. and still India would be biggest purchaser from Russia.
Pakistan has played very bad role on international stage. After 50 years of friendship with U.S., they didn't gave any high-tech weapons/jets except few Bn $ aid which is not visible in Pak economy today thanks to corruption and bad system. What Pak got from U.S. beside aid ? F-16 (52 block), Old C-130, old Howazitter ?? These are nothing. We are buying much better from U.S. and they are ready to sell anything to India including F-35.
Russia was never friend of Pakistan since 47. Remember 80's and 90's Afghanistan war ? Russia never supported Pakistan nor sold anything important which will be used against India. Pakistan was the country who indulged war against Soviet.
Which country left ? Iran ? Iran is good friend of ours. We will be using Chabbar port to reach CAR and beyond. Afghanistan ? Do i need to say anything ?
Pakistan don't have any friend except China that also due to same enemy. On other side, we have good relation with most of the countries including Russia, U.S., A'than, Iran and Europe, Asean countries.
There were 4 wars between India and Pakistan. We won all 4 including biggest surrender in 1971 and U.S. and China were able to do nothing.
There is no geographical advantage to Pakistan. If you talking about gateway to CAR, then think again. There are 2 countries i.e. Iran and Afghanistan. Who needs Pakistan to reach A'than ?? You are giving too much importance to terrorist country Pakistan.
What Pakistan got in last 64 years ??
1> GDP growth 2% 2> GDP 175 Bn $ (1/10 of India) 3> Asking for bail-out from IMF for 11th time, 4> Failed Nation 5> Known as terrorist nation and many more. Think again !!
Defence deal is mostly based on exclusive terms. Like, We bought Sukhoi 30MKI and another big deal of PAK FA/FGFA. So, Russia can't sell Sukhoi to Pakistan. If they will, Then deal will be cancelled. BTW, To replace 5th Generation partner, Pakistan needs 35 Bn $ which is impossible. You have to keep in mind that India GDP is around 1.8 Trillion $ which is 10 time bigger than Pakistan. Our defence budget will also be around 50 Bn $ going forward. Pakistan with defence budget only 7 Bn $ can't afford to spend more than 1-2 Bn $ per annum for purchasing. Also, there were lots of military aid from U.S. and lots of debt too. Even if we don't do any new deal with Russia, still every year we are going to pay minimum 4 Billion $ every year. As far as U.S. is concerned, What Pakistan got with 50 year old relation ?? F-16(52 block) 1 squadron ? U.S. already offered Super Hornet, F-35, Patriot defence system, etc to us. We also bought C-130J, C-17, P8i pos from them. We have 1 more exclusive advantage which is ISRAEL. It's all about money and fortunately Pakistan with lots of expense on 1 Million defence personnel, maintenance, Logistics, to keep nuke and missile arsenal, It won't able to buy major weapons or jets. Maximum 1/10th of India. With GDP growth around 2% and multi billion $ debt, things won't improve in next few years. For us, It's favourable condition.If India thinks it can buy weapons from both Russia and the US and neither the Russians or the US will sell also to Pakistan then its an complete error in judgement.
Bangladesh is still doing better than Pakistan. With GDP growth around 6%, Their GDP size is already doubled in last 7 years. In next 10-20 years, They might be par with Pakistan if not better. I agree, They don't have strategic location which is negative. Still, If they try their level best, they can certainly improve their situation. Bangladesh don't have much debt and they are not dependent on Aid.If you read the thread I post earlier Bangladesh is not given the important role it should be given because it all goes on Pakistan. If Pakistan did not enter into these Pacts with the US/China/ME then it would be in the current position of Bangladesh or worse somewhere like Africa.
Make no mistake. India won each and every war since 1947.India has lost most of the wars its fought,When then did Pakistan capture 80,000 square KM of Kashmir in 1948 which India has been trying to get back for the past half century? An area larger than the European country of Austria, 1965 was offically a stalemate and India's great friend Russia played the mediator in Tashkent, India won only the 1971 war and that too because the Bengali people did all the work for 9 long months. The West Pakistanis were 1000 miles away from their base and were heavily outnumbered by Mukhti Bahini and Indian military, There were bound to loose. I dont regard Kargil or Siachen as wars because they are limited conflicts. If India wants to claim victory it can only do so in the 71 war and that too thanks to Bengali Mukhti Bahini.
Pakistan is exporting terrorism and everyone knows this. Pakistan is failed nation and comes in Top 10. We are developing 3 layer of ABM shield which will be completely deployed by 2016. We will able to face any Nuke attack from Pakistan. ABM will work as offensive missile too. ABM will give us big psychological boost. Pakistan 90% Population and industry is situated in 100 KM thick Indian border, 50 Nukes and Pakistan will turn into stone age with no resilient. Pakistan don't have ABM shield nor any development going on. If Pakistan will repeat Mumbai-2, then may be some retaliation can come. India is not Pakistan who likes war. BTW, Pakistan already facing big loss for last 6-7 years. Multi Billion $ loss in WOT. U.S. is sending drone in Pakistan by giving aid. Pakistan is no more sovereign country and dependent on Aid and called as terrorist country by so called 50 year old friend.Pakistan is exporting terrorism with impunity and its nuclear shield means India can not pull the trigger for fear of a nuclear strike, There is being patriotic Indians and there is being delusional.
How can you agree when I neither said nor it's fact. It was U.S. and China who were on Pakistan side in 1965, 1971 and all war. Still, Pakistan lost very badly in all war. We never took help from Russia in any war. One thing i would agree that U.S. didn't attacked India in 1965,1971 because Russia was on our side. It was 1-1 and we won all war.I agree that Russia helped India alot in 1971 and that Pakistan played a key role in the 80s against USSR in Afghanistan but geo-politics change.
Pakistan neither have money nor seller. Russian/American won't sell any sophisticated weapons to Pakistan. Israel and France too. What left ? China with ripped one and low quality.Im simply saying if India thinks it can buy weapons from both Russia and the US, One of them will sell to Pakistan if they are not already. The Chinese will obviously continue to do so because its in there interests that India remains mired and entangled within South Asia with Pakistan.
$1 Bil worth of money to Pakistan = $10 bil worth of trouble for India.